Also... man, if this is the new direction of 40k artwork...
Woof.
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Dark Imperium and First Strike boxes inbound for a buddy and I. Going Deathguard.
Quick question because Ihaven't had time to fully digest the ruleset wit h regards to battleforged etc- Can I take a combined arms force of both Deathguard (with Plague Marines as Troops) and Nurgle Demons and have it work as long as I could fill out the detachments properly?
Dark Imperium and First Strike boxes inbound for a buddy and I. Going Deathguard.
Quick question because Ihaven't had time to fully digest the ruleset wit h regards to battleforged etc- Can I take a combined arms force of both Deathguard (with Plague Marines as Troops) and Nurgle Demons and have it work as long as I could fill out the detachments properly?
Assuming all the forces have the "Chaos" keyword (and I can't imagine a CSM or Demon unit that doesn't!) then yes, you're 100% fine taking them in a single detachment.
You only need to match 1 faction keyword, even the extremely broad ones like "Imperium" and "Chaos".
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My old cynicism has me thinking it'd be very easy for GW to release ten different power armor codexes. Maybe Chaos daemons, since Chaos is the new big focus this edition.
What's cynical about it? One of the big complaints from pretty much every previous edition back to 3rd is that 'power armor army X came out early, y came out late, and they are totally different/same equipment is weaker in one than the other/different edition directions made the early one garbage and the later one no-brainer.' If nothing else, doing all the power armor at once means that for once, it's going to be consistent. (hopefully).
Still I am kind of curious if GW is pushing aside space marines in favor of the new Primius ones?
I doubt it. It'd just be too stupid of a business decision.
All those expensive molds bought and paid off for assault marines, tac marines, dark angel marines, space wolves marines, etc et al, where the only cost is plastic pellets and labor to run the injection machines? They would have to be pretty confident that primaris would sell so gang busters that it'd outdo the hit from ditching all the models that have paid off molds to the deep sunk cost of new ones.
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Still I am kind of curious if GW is pushing aside space marines in favor of the new Primius ones?
Primaris models will almost definitely replace the current SM range over the next few years.
I think you are right and it bums me out as I think primaris are a huge step in the wrong direction gameplay wise. Or rather in a direction i don't personally enjoy.
Nothing suggests that's going to happen, so it seems like a really chicken little thing to get burned up about.
Still I am kind of curious if GW is pushing aside space marines in favor of the new Primius ones?
Primaris models will almost definitely replace the current SM range over the next few years.
I think you are right and it bums me out as I think primaris are a huge step in the wrong direction gameplay wise. Or rather in a direction i don't personally enjoy.
Nothing suggests that's going to happen, so it seems like a really chicken little thing to get burned up about.
I mean, I'm happily building a classic white scars army right now. I'm just saying if down the road primaris replace regular marines I'll be bummed. I'm capable of entertaining hypothetical futures in my mind! I just personally haven't seen anything on the Primaris front that I think is as cool as an old 10 man tactical squad with a rhino. Which is still the gold standard of space marine units for me.
Edit: Also, old marines will likely be available for a while if only for 30k, and the 30k marines are cooler than the 40k sculpts anyway.
Brushing aside standard marine models to focus on Primaris marines means they'd have to brush aside every single currently existing marine transport vehicle as well, since none of them can transport Primaris Marines.
I don't think they'll stop selling regular marines as long as people keep buying them. As you said, the up front development cost is all done. They'll just stop developing new regular marines, mainly because Primaris are a direct reaction to there being pretty much nothing more they can do with the line.
If the hovertank isn't Primaris exclusive (and I don't see why it would be) than it's still a regular Marine release. The Redemptor Dreadnought is just a bigger Dreadnought.
It's gotta be tough trying to come up with new ideas for Space Marine stuff, since GW doesn't really "retire" models (meaning you have 30+ years worth of Space Marine units and vehicles that are available for use in games). Space Marines have significantly more models available than any other faction (and that's not even counting the Heresy stuff that has rules for 40K), so it doesn't bother me if they start focusing elsewhere for a while or start branching out like they've been doing with the Primaris stuff.
To be fair though, I'm not the grizzled veteran who has a monster sized collection, there are still a lot of marine models that I don't own (and are thus still "new" to me when I get them as a result).
After the first round of releases covering the basic unit types they could always go back and replace old SM unit 1:1 with Primaris units. Just add a some more sprues with stuff like sergeant equipment, special and heavy weapons to the Intercessor squad and you've got a tactical squad.
GW made true-scale marines with better stats to represent what they're always portrayed with in the fluff, instead of what we have which are the middle ground average units whose model range is all over the place in scale. It's something the range has needed for a long time, imo, but inertia and sales kept it from being fixable.
I think the problem is that they hyped them up too much in the fluff. It should have just been "We fixed a lot of problems with geneseed after Guilliman shared what he learned from the Emperor and now the chapters can increase production and buff up their marines" instead of deus ex spacemarina. That gives you the Horus Heresy 2.0 vibe they want with new legions of marines able to fight these vast sprawling wars after all the depletion leading up.
It does worry me, as I've got a growing collection of Space Wolves I've no desire to replace and also no desire to see obsolete. I've put a lot of time and care into them. If MkVIII and older armour stops being a thing in 40k I think that will be me done. If they do it with Space Marines I'd always be worried they're going to do with it was say, my Eldar. It's too time consuming getting these things /assembled/painted up to just throw it away because GW fancies a reboot.
Right now, I'm going to keep enjoying 8th ed and buying the old Marines.
I think what they will do is phase out the old models for new ones that are more the size of the primaris.
Things to remember:
1)This does not mean your old models are obsolete. You can play and enjoy them. Get them on clearance or whatever. And grab them off e-bay. People still play with rogue trader marines which are god damn tiny and funny looking.
2)This will take years. GW also never really stops having stuff in the books just adds more. Don't chicken little about something that might be complete at the standard GW rate of a decade or more because that is how long it can take them to update stuff.
3)Play what you like with what you want. Seriously this isn't the end of your marine armies it is new stuff so GW can keep raking in money because it is part of the business. New models/lines are needed to keep it fresh for folks. They don't seem to be adding new races but new models to existing ones plus the idea of updating points/codexes/faqs consistently will help keep the game from stagnating as it has in the past.
I know us table top players tend to be grouchy and stuck in our ways but new doesn't mean old stuff is now going to stop being useful or fun.
Is there any sort of standard color schemes to identify Inquisitorial troops? Wife is putting together some Tempestus that are supposed to be part of her Greyfax's forces and is trying to decide what colors to use. I thought Red/black/gold was standard, but some light image searching isn't giving me anything that great.
The Valkyrie the Inquisitor arrives in at the end of the Space Marine game is black with red trim. Reading Gaunt's Ghosts, they describe Inquistorial Rhinos and Stormtroopers as using the same black with red trim color schemes. Seems like only the Inquisitors themselves show any color very often.
Also won't like Gulliman being back plus the primaris are having me look at making a loyalist army for the first time. Doesn't hurt there are all sorts of neat things you can do with loyalist now that everyone is the same faction. Bring in guard or SoB support. Inquisition support. Have some wolves with your smurfs. Hell even have some admech if you want.
It is neat and that is tempting for some great armies.
Though my club is talking me heavily into finishing my orks. They are all really on the ork band wagon.
But my brain is like, I need 30 more boyz. At least 2 more trukks. A battle wagon. Some manz. And burnas. Then I will have the army.
So many orks to paint and I am still not sure how I did my old dark green skin as it has been years. Pretty sure dark angel green was involved.
But up first getting CSM finalized.
CSM pred at least. A dark apostle. I got Kharn but I need a termilord magnetized to swap between lord/sorc.
Also doing some thinking because I am prone to that.
I need more daemons. Shit is 9 pts a piece for both bloodletters and daemonettes. I mean who cares about the other gods right?
But that is cheaper than a marine. A bit more than a cultist but you get a much better save. And they are much better in combat. Thinking of a screening line of those.
Always wanted seekers as well. And those things are mean now.
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There is nothing more satisfying than getting a reality blinks with demons and adding models to your unit. Especially when it's the end of the 5th round, you have 4 guys left and they have 5, you get that 1 to boost it up to 10 models. Then you roll that glorious 2 on the end of the game and your opponent can only despair as you pip a victory from the jaws of defeat by holding 2 objectives to 1 in the dying seconds.
There is nothing more satisfying than getting a reality blinks with demons and adding models to your unit. Especially when it's the end of the 5th round, you have 4 guys left and they have 5, you get that 1 to boost it up to 10 models. Then you roll that glorious 2 on the end of the game and your opponent can only despair as you pip a victory from the jaws of defeat by holding 2 objectives to 1 in the dying seconds.
It is hilarious on any unit with multiple wounds like plague drones or bloodcrushers.
Played a game today with my Chaos marines.
Disgustingly resilient is actually incredible. Because it's when you lose a wound it means say, you take a lascannon shot and take 6 dmg you make six rolls one for each damage, makes it way better on multiple wound models than it seems.
Opentopped transports with Burna boys and nobz with combi-skorchas is not fun when your playing 60 cultists let me tell you.
Sigh, the gaming club I'd found near me (finally!) is massively into using Chinese recasts (ugh). They seemed like decent guys (well, in person, the facebook group chat is a bit too much banter for me, to use the UK term), but they're quite happily discussing their 'fraudworld' orders.
I'd like to get the games in more regularly than once every few months but seeing as I actually know one of the Forgeworld (formerly GW) sculpters I feel like I'd be doing him a massive disservice if I kept playing with these guys. I'd just report the recaster they use if a) they weren't being *incredibly* cagey about the website/contact details (they discuss it properly in a separate facebook chat) and b) I thought they wouldn't just move onto another one.
Am I just being stupid? Should I just go on a 'don't ask; don't tell' policy with this or is the moral highground worth sitting on here?
Well, Lezta, if I were in your shoes, I would probably just go the "don't ask, don't tell." You can't control what others do, and you're probably right, they would just find another source. You buy from the right places, and call it good. As far as being stupid, nope. Good luck.
So been reading dakka because I am self flagellating at work. But I learned something.
So in battlescribe you can combine all the armies in a keyword.
So start a list and say choose battalion attachment.
Then go to your edit button on the lower left like you are adding a spear head. You can add another codex. It will be ugly and long but it should put them under a single detachment for you. Should work with every one.
And this will let you build out mixed armies.
I will try at home because I got stuff I want to look at. I was basically ignoring the daemon part of the codex and I feel silly doing that now.
Hm, I was going to make a chaos marine army a while back and someone got
me a chaos rhino and opening it up I thiiiiink I can make a rhino that looks close enough to be loyalist.
So been reading dakka because I am self flagellating at work. But I learned something.
So in battlescribe you can combine all the armies in a keyword.
So start a list and say choose battalion attachment.
Then go to your edit button on the lower left like you are adding a spear head. You can add another codex. It will be ugly and long but it should put them under a single detachment for you. Should work with every one.
And this will let you build out mixed armies.
I will try at home because I got stuff I want to look at. I was basically ignoring the daemon part of the codex and I feel silly doing that now.
Yeah, I've been doing this for a while now. It's pretty handy!
So been reading dakka because I am self flagellating at work. But I learned something.
So in battlescribe you can combine all the armies in a keyword.
So start a list and say choose battalion attachment.
Then go to your edit button on the lower left like you are adding a spear head. You can add another codex. It will be ugly and long but it should put them under a single detachment for you. Should work with every one.
And this will let you build out mixed armies.
I will try at home because I got stuff I want to look at. I was basically ignoring the daemon part of the codex and I feel silly doing that now.
Yeah, I've been doing this for a while now. It's pretty handy!
I've done it on the phone app too, when you go to add a new force it should ask what you want to add it to. Picking the whole roster will add another detachment and ask for the type you want, but picking an existing detachment adds that factions list as options to that detachment. It took me a few days to realize that's what you have to do to add enginseers and priests to a guard army since those are only under the mechanicus and ministrorum lists even though both have the astra militarum keyword.
So first something that would be long off but kind of a fun fluffy Khorne army. This would make a fun World Eaters army. The CSM provide the range support while the daemons are the bulk of the muscle.
++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Legion: World Eaters
+ HQ +
Dark Apostle: Combi-flamer, Khorne, Power maul
Kharn the Betrayer
+ Troops +
Khorne Berzerkers: Berzerker Champion, Icon of Wrath, 7x Khorne Berzerker, 4x Swap bolt pistol or chainsword for chainaxe
++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++
+ Heavy Support +
Chaos Land Raider: Khorne, Twin heavy bolter, 2x Twin lascannon
Chaos Predator: Predator autocannon
. Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon
Chaos Predator: Predator autocannon
. Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon
The other would Slaaneshi which is my old main love anyway. The daemonettes are fodder but move quickly and you can't really ignore them because they do a lot of damage. The chariots are nasty targets that move fast. The herald is with the daemonettes and is a cheap command point getter. CSM again bring the range damage and the armor. Also the termis.
Hm, I was going to make a chaos marine army a while back and someone got
me a chaos rhino and opening it up I thiiiiink I can make a rhino that looks close enough to be loyalist.
Given the Chaos Rhino kit is just the loyalist kit with the accessory sprue swapped out I'd be surprised if you couldn't. The stormbolter could be tricky, but everything else should be easy.
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Sigh, the gaming club I'd found near me (finally!) is massively into using Chinese recasts (ugh). They seemed like decent guys (well, in person, the facebook group chat is a bit too much banter for me, to use the UK term), but they're quite happily discussing their 'fraudworld' orders.
I'd like to get the games in more regularly than once every few months but seeing as I actually know one of the Forgeworld (formerly GW) sculpters I feel like I'd be doing him a massive disservice if I kept playing with these guys. I'd just report the recaster they use if a) they weren't being *incredibly* cagey about the website/contact details (they discuss it properly in a separate facebook chat) and b) I thought they wouldn't just move onto another one.
Am I just being stupid? Should I just go on a 'don't ask; don't tell' policy with this or is the moral highground worth sitting on here?
If recasts were easier to sell and work with, I would only buy them, as I think everyone boycotting their shit would be the only way to tell them we're unhappy with the way they run their business. Things have gotten much better, but, as long as they're charging $35 for marine characters, there's room to grow.
It sucks that everyone is having to find ways to fight Battlescribe when up until a short while ago we had a significantly better, 100% free alternative that was easier to use and had much nicer output options.
I wonder if the guy behind the other list builder could be convinced to release it standalone.
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If I want both the combi bolter and havoc missile launcher on a chaos predator do I just glue the missile pod wherever? There's only one viable slot on the model for either but the rulebook and battlescribe seem to indicate it can take both
Dunno if they still can but chaos rhinos used to come with a combibolter, then you could buy another bolter, a combiweapon, and the havoc launcher. You pretty much ork them on there wherever you find room.
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Quick question because Ihaven't had time to fully digest the ruleset wit h regards to battleforged etc- Can I take a combined arms force of both Deathguard (with Plague Marines as Troops) and Nurgle Demons and have it work as long as I could fill out the detachments properly?
Assuming all the forces have the "Chaos" keyword (and I can't imagine a CSM or Demon unit that doesn't!) then yes, you're 100% fine taking them in a single detachment.
You only need to match 1 faction keyword, even the extremely broad ones like "Imperium" and "Chaos".
What's cynical about it? One of the big complaints from pretty much every previous edition back to 3rd is that 'power armor army X came out early, y came out late, and they are totally different/same equipment is weaker in one than the other/different edition directions made the early one garbage and the later one no-brainer.' If nothing else, doing all the power armor at once means that for once, it's going to be consistent. (hopefully).
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I doubt it. It'd just be too stupid of a business decision.
All those expensive molds bought and paid off for assault marines, tac marines, dark angel marines, space wolves marines, etc et al, where the only cost is plastic pellets and labor to run the injection machines? They would have to be pretty confident that primaris would sell so gang busters that it'd outdo the hit from ditching all the models that have paid off molds to the deep sunk cost of new ones.
Nothing suggests that's going to happen, so it seems like a really chicken little thing to get burned up about.
I mean, I'm happily building a classic white scars army right now. I'm just saying if down the road primaris replace regular marines I'll be bummed. I'm capable of entertaining hypothetical futures in my mind! I just personally haven't seen anything on the Primaris front that I think is as cool as an old 10 man tactical squad with a rhino. Which is still the gold standard of space marine units for me.
Edit: Also, old marines will likely be available for a while if only for 30k, and the 30k marines are cooler than the 40k sculpts anyway.
It's gotta be tough trying to come up with new ideas for Space Marine stuff, since GW doesn't really "retire" models (meaning you have 30+ years worth of Space Marine units and vehicles that are available for use in games). Space Marines have significantly more models available than any other faction (and that's not even counting the Heresy stuff that has rules for 40K), so it doesn't bother me if they start focusing elsewhere for a while or start branching out like they've been doing with the Primaris stuff.
To be fair though, I'm not the grizzled veteran who has a monster sized collection, there are still a lot of marine models that I don't own (and are thus still "new" to me when I get them as a result).
Can Intercessors take any kind of special weapons?
Nope. But also right now they are fixed 5 man squads at 100 points. They do have super bolt guns that are 30" range ap -1 verse 24' ap 0.
None of the Primaris stuff has options outside the lieutenants which their option are assault 2 bolt gun or power sword and pistol.
I think the problem is that they hyped them up too much in the fluff. It should have just been "We fixed a lot of problems with geneseed after Guilliman shared what he learned from the Emperor and now the chapters can increase production and buff up their marines" instead of deus ex spacemarina. That gives you the Horus Heresy 2.0 vibe they want with new legions of marines able to fight these vast sprawling wars after all the depletion leading up.
Right now, I'm going to keep enjoying 8th ed and buying the old Marines.
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Things to remember:
1)This does not mean your old models are obsolete. You can play and enjoy them. Get them on clearance or whatever. And grab them off e-bay. People still play with rogue trader marines which are god damn tiny and funny looking.
2)This will take years. GW also never really stops having stuff in the books just adds more. Don't chicken little about something that might be complete at the standard GW rate of a decade or more because that is how long it can take them to update stuff.
3)Play what you like with what you want. Seriously this isn't the end of your marine armies it is new stuff so GW can keep raking in money because it is part of the business. New models/lines are needed to keep it fresh for folks. They don't seem to be adding new races but new models to existing ones plus the idea of updating points/codexes/faqs consistently will help keep the game from stagnating as it has in the past.
I know us table top players tend to be grouchy and stuck in our ways but new doesn't mean old stuff is now going to stop being useful or fun.
Except the damned Primaris Librarian. He and I did not agree on how he should have fit together. Finally got him together, but just ugh.
Also:
The Valkyrie the Inquisitor arrives in at the end of the Space Marine game is black with red trim. Reading Gaunt's Ghosts, they describe Inquistorial Rhinos and Stormtroopers as using the same black with red trim color schemes. Seems like only the Inquisitors themselves show any color very often.
It is neat and that is tempting for some great armies.
Though my club is talking me heavily into finishing my orks. They are all really on the ork band wagon.
But my brain is like, I need 30 more boyz. At least 2 more trukks. A battle wagon. Some manz. And burnas. Then I will have the army.
So many orks to paint and I am still not sure how I did my old dark green skin as it has been years. Pretty sure dark angel green was involved.
But up first getting CSM finalized.
CSM pred at least. A dark apostle. I got Kharn but I need a termilord magnetized to swap between lord/sorc.
I need more daemons. Shit is 9 pts a piece for both bloodletters and daemonettes. I mean who cares about the other gods right?
But that is cheaper than a marine. A bit more than a cultist but you get a much better save. And they are much better in combat. Thinking of a screening line of those.
Always wanted seekers as well. And those things are mean now.
Hmmm...
Wish I was home so I could list build now.
Dude did you miss it a few months back when they made the Diaz Deamonettes available again for a while?
I did. I have a set though! I got them ages ago.
It is hilarious on any unit with multiple wounds like plague drones or bloodcrushers.
Played a game today with my Chaos marines.
Disgustingly resilient is actually incredible. Because it's when you lose a wound it means say, you take a lascannon shot and take 6 dmg you make six rolls one for each damage, makes it way better on multiple wound models than it seems.
Opentopped transports with Burna boys and nobz with combi-skorchas is not fun when your playing 60 cultists let me tell you.
I'd like to get the games in more regularly than once every few months but seeing as I actually know one of the Forgeworld (formerly GW) sculpters I feel like I'd be doing him a massive disservice if I kept playing with these guys. I'd just report the recaster they use if a) they weren't being *incredibly* cagey about the website/contact details (they discuss it properly in a separate facebook chat) and b) I thought they wouldn't just move onto another one.
Am I just being stupid? Should I just go on a 'don't ask; don't tell' policy with this or is the moral highground worth sitting on here?
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So in battlescribe you can combine all the armies in a keyword.
So start a list and say choose battalion attachment.
Then go to your edit button on the lower left like you are adding a spear head. You can add another codex. It will be ugly and long but it should put them under a single detachment for you. Should work with every one.
And this will let you build out mixed armies.
I will try at home because I got stuff I want to look at. I was basically ignoring the daemon part of the codex and I feel silly doing that now.
me a chaos rhino and opening it up I thiiiiink I can make a rhino that looks close enough to be loyalist.
Yeah, I've been doing this for a while now. It's pretty handy!
I've done it on the phone app too, when you go to add a new force it should ask what you want to add it to. Picking the whole roster will add another detachment and ask for the type you want, but picking an existing detachment adds that factions list as options to that detachment. It took me a few days to realize that's what you have to do to add enginseers and priests to a guard army since those are only under the mechanicus and ministrorum lists even though both have the astra militarum keyword.
So first something that would be long off but kind of a fun fluffy Khorne army. This would make a fun World Eaters army. The CSM provide the range support while the daemons are the bulk of the muscle.
++ Battalion Detachment (Chaos - Daemons) ++
+ Troops +
Bloodletters: 24x Bloodletter, Bloodreaper, Daemonic Icon
Bloodletters: 24x Bloodletter, Bloodreaper, Daemonic Icon
++ Spearhead Detachment (Chaos - Daemons) ++
+ HQ +
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage
++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Legion: World Eaters
+ HQ +
Dark Apostle: Combi-flamer, Khorne, Power maul
Kharn the Betrayer
+ Troops +
Khorne Berzerkers: Berzerker Champion, Icon of Wrath, 7x Khorne Berzerker, 4x Swap bolt pistol or chainsword for chainaxe
++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++
+ Heavy Support +
Chaos Land Raider: Khorne, Twin heavy bolter, 2x Twin lascannon
Chaos Predator: Predator autocannon
. Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon
Chaos Predator: Predator autocannon
. Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon
The other would Slaaneshi which is my old main love anyway. The daemonettes are fodder but move quickly and you can't really ignore them because they do a lot of damage. The chariots are nasty targets that move fast. The herald is with the daemonettes and is a cheap command point getter. CSM again bring the range damage and the armor. Also the termis.
++ Battalion Detachment (Chaos - Daemons) ++
+ HQ +
Herald of Slaanesh
+ Troops +
Daemonettes: Alluress, 20x Daemonette
+ Heavy Support +
Seeker Chariot
Seeker Chariot
++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++
+ HQ +
Sorcerer: Bolt pistol, Force sword, Slaanesh
+ Heavy Support +
Chaos Land Raider: Twin heavy bolter, 2x Twin lascannon
Chaos Predator: Havoc launcher, Slaanesh, Twin lascannon
. Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon
Havocs: 9x Havoc, 2x Heavy bolter, 2x Missile launcher, No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Legion
+ HQ +
Chaos Lord: Combi-flamer, Power fist
+ Troops +
Chaos Space Marines: 9x Chaos Space Marine, 2x Plasma gun, Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Combi-plasma, Power fist
Chaos Space Marines: 9x Chaos Space Marine, 2x Plasma gun, Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Combi-plasma, Power axe
+ Elites +
Chaos Terminators: Slaanesh
. Chaos Terminator: Power axe, Reaper autocannon
. Chaos Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power maul
. Chaos Terminator: Combi-flamer, Power axe
. Chaos Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power fist
. Terminator Champion: Chainfist, Combi-bolter
I haven't really done a lot with daemons so this is a lot of me playing with shit.
Given the Chaos Rhino kit is just the loyalist kit with the accessory sprue swapped out I'd be surprised if you couldn't. The stormbolter could be tricky, but everything else should be easy.
If recasts were easier to sell and work with, I would only buy them, as I think everyone boycotting their shit would be the only way to tell them we're unhappy with the way they run their business. Things have gotten much better, but, as long as they're charging $35 for marine characters, there's room to grow.
I wonder if the guy behind the other list builder could be convinced to release it standalone.