I'm looking at a graphics upgrade, since apparently the band is getting back together again for Ark, and it ran like poop on my Radeon 7870 last time I tried it. Tomshardware tells me that I should look at a GTX 1060, but those are like, $400 CAD which is really outside my price range. Going down a step, they recommend the GTX 1050Ti, which looks affordable to me. However, Tom has it only one step up the hierarchy from my 7870, which means that I might not notice a difference in performance... That seems a bit crazy to me since the 7870 came out close to 5 years ago...
I guess my question is, is it worth it to upgrade to a GTX 1050 Ti from a Radeon 7870 to play stuff like Ark in 1080p? Or is there something else in the same price range I should consider?
@f3rret There is a shortage of cards right now due to cryptocurrency. If you keep your eyes open, you can possibly find a 1060 cheaper than that. I just purchased mine for $280, but lately they've been $400+ here, too.
Yeah I've been watching the 1060 and the cheapest I've seen is the Zotac 1060 6GB for like CDN$359 and that was before the mining inflation. And after Canuck tax, you are looking at about CDN$400.
Another option would be the RX 580 if you aren't completely set on NVIDIA. Like this one
But again, you are in around the $400 range. And the general rule is that you should only upgrade if you are going to move up 2 tiers based on the Tom's Hardware chart. That being said, 1 tier will work better. Just probably not that much better. What is your CPU, by the way? You might be able to find a youtube video of someone running ARK with your desired specs. I've found that very helpful and reassuring in the past.
I have a 1060 6GB and a 3570k on a P8Z77-V board but mine is overclocked. Not sure if you're interested or not but I could run a few games and give you an idea of my benchmarks to give you an idea on that side of the spectrum
I have a 1060 6GB and a 3570k on a P8Z77-V board but mine is overclocked. Not sure if you're interested or not but I could run a few games and give you an idea of my benchmarks to give you an idea on that side of the spectrum
I might take you up on that offer. Do you have any benchmarking software we could use as well? I have a 1070, 3570k (not overclocked), and a Z77X board whose capabilities I'm doubting.
Hi Thread. I recently dropped a new GPU into my system and got a new monitor, in an attempt to hold me over until the CPU market becomes not-stupid. It's been reasonable so far, but I'm quickly learning that I need to jump over to Windows 10 from the outdated 7 pretty quickly here.
I'm hoping someone might have some kind of guide or tips for the best way to go about crafting/managing a Windows 10 install, as I admit I'm rather clueless on the intricacies. I'm sure it installs pretty easy, but what I'm curious about is the best way to install it while tending to the best security practices, turning off and blocking tracking and telemetry, and other essentials I might otherwise be oblivious to. For example, I was seeing that you can connect your Live/Microsoft account to your Windows 10 install, but a friend of mine told me never to do that, because apparently you'll never stop being harassed by in-OS advertisements, or something (which I'm not sure is true)? Is it still a pain to be a non-Admin user, or is that more reasonable in 10?
Does anyone have some advice for the best way to start fresh? Oh and also, is it better to go Home or Pro with Win 10?
Thanks much for the tip! That seems like a decent guide on disabling telemetry, and should be quite useful. Much appreciated.
That being said, it doesn't show much in the way of hardening/security. Does anyone perhaps have any advice on that?
Also, I've heard Win 10 will automatically update and replace your display adapter drivers regardless of what you want. The alternative seems to be a hack that disables ALL driver updates, which seems suboptimal. Is there any workaround for that?
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Hi Thread. I recently dropped a new GPU into my system and got a new monitor, in an attempt to hold me over until the CPU market becomes not-stupid. It's been reasonable so far, but I'm quickly learning that I need to jump over to Windows 10 from the outdated 7 pretty quickly here.
I'm hoping someone might have some kind of guide or tips for the best way to go about crafting/managing a Windows 10 install, as I admit I'm rather clueless on the intricacies. I'm sure it installs pretty easy, but what I'm curious about is the best way to install it while tending to the best security practices, turning off and blocking tracking and telemetry, and other essentials I might otherwise be oblivious to. For example, I was seeing that you can connect your Live/Microsoft account to your Windows 10 install, but a friend of mine told me never to do that, because apparently you'll never stop being harassed by in-OS advertisements, or something (which I'm not sure is true)? Is it still a pain to be a non-Admin user, or is that more reasonable in 10?
Does anyone have some advice for the best way to start fresh? Oh and also, is it better to go Home or Pro with Win 10?
Thanks much for the tip! That seems like a decent guide on disabling telemetry, and should be quite useful. Much appreciated.
That being said, it doesn't show much in the way of hardening/security. Does anyone perhaps have any advice on that?
Also, I've heard Win 10 will automatically update and replace your display adapter drivers regardless of what you want. The alternative seems to be a hack that disables ALL driver updates, which seems suboptimal. Is there any workaround for that?
Windows 10 doesn't touch my video drivers, to my knowledge. Maybe the one on my CPU, but not my 280X.
if you use the default drivers out of the box, Windows will update them. And they actually will have the real nvidia/amd driver for your card, maybe a few months old, in the library so you'll get a good driver.
But if you install a video card driver manually, it won't do that.
I'm not sure what you're looking for specifically for hardening and security. You may want to check the computer security/AV thread. I currently use the following combo:
Spybot S&D
MBAM
Avira Anti-virus (Free version)
You could do without third-party AV and just go with Defender; which is actually decent.
I'm not sure what you're looking for specifically for hardening and security. You may want to check the computer security/AV thread. I currently use the following combo:
Spybot S&D
MBAM
Avira Anti-virus (Free version)
You could do without third-party AV and just go with Defender; which is actually decent.
I have the same except sub AVG for Avira. I tried Avira, but it felt too daunting to use. Not particularly friendly for somebody just looking for an AV product. And Avast was just massively bloated and system intensive. AVG recently made some changes to their frontend that I don't care for, but the same functionality is still there without the bloat (so far).
Looks like I may just go for a 1060 once they come back in stock. Let's make this upgrade count. Thanks for the videos and tips!
You might be waiting for a while unless you're willing to pay a huge markup. I want a 1070 but am willing to get a 1060 instead, but I am refusing to pay much more than msrp.
So I'm not doing any building any time soon but I keep eyeballing the Air 240 for the future, until today. I came upon Phanteks cases for the first time on reddit and I've fallen in love with the Evolv ITX and mATX versions. I prefer the super small size of the ITX but it looks like they went cheaper on the materials for it which is a shame, the ITX with aluminum and tempered glass side panel would have been perfect for my next refresh (and switch to AM4/Ryzen)
I know this is pretty late but maybe consider the Phanteks Enthoo Pro M (also comes in tempered glass variant).
The inside is the same as the Evolv mATX, but has way better airflow due to the top and front not being restricted. You can also remove the optical drive cage to install more fans/bigger aio radiator. Plus its cheaper.
I will say though that the Evolv does look nice.
I personally bought the enthoo pro m instead due to price, better airflow and because I actually want to have an internal optical drive.
Looks like I may just go for a 1060 once they come back in stock. Let's make this upgrade count. Thanks for the videos and tips!
You might be waiting for a while unless you're willing to pay a huge markup. I want a 1070 but am willing to get a 1060 instead, but I am refusing to pay much more than msrp.
CDW seems to have stock incoming, but who knows how long that will take. Also, I can get hardware through my work at a good price, basically whatever distributors sell at. And I'm sorry, but I can't resell to you all.
Got the FTW3 installed and running, hoo boy it is bigger than I thought it would be. Fortunately it still fits in the Manta, I just had to reroute the power cables a bit. It's ridiculous and I love it.
So as far as video card manufacturers go, I've always been pro-ASUS. Are there others I should consider as well?
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I've only had two MSI GPUs so far but neither have cause me any problems.
I'm thinking of spending a little more to get an EVGA next time though.
EDIT: On second thought, I do have issues with MSI's software. Live Update doesn't install updates at all and is pretty useless.
Also, I just checked the prices for this current generation for NVIDIA GPUs and god damn they are expensive. I remember paying a little over 500AUD for my 970, but the 1070 is around 700-800AUD. What the hell happened since the end of 2015 to make GPUs so expensive? It can't be due to mining can it, as this was apparently the introductory price here.
I've only had two MSI GPUs so far but neither have cause me any problems.
I'm thinking of spending a little more to get an EVGA next time though.
EDIT: On second thought, I do have issues with MSI's software. Live Update doesn't install updates at all and is pretty useless.
Also, I just checked the prices for this current generation for NVIDIA GPUs and god damn they are expensive. I remember paying a little over 500AUD for my 970, but the 1070 is around 700-800AUD. What the hell happened since the end of 2015 to make GPUs so expensive? It can't be due to mining can it, as this was apparently the introductory price here.
1070 MSRP was under 400 usd if memory serves me right. worse than usual Australia tax?
1070 msrp is $379 usd, and you can't find them for under $500 or so right now. Yes it's due to crypto currency miners. I guess the 1070 has the best hash rate to power usage ratio, and people are building dedicated mining rigs with six of them in there alongside one cpu, a little ram, and a big power supply. They make profits of a few bucks a day. It's really dumb and I can't wait for their market to crash.
Thats why I ended up getting a 1080 as they hadn't been hit by the miners yet and was able to nab one for 840AUD considering on the lower end of 1080s you could find them for almost the cost of a 1070 it was absurd.
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edited July 2017
30 dollar check from Nvidia due to the 970 settlement arrived today.
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970 settlement? Who what?
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Re: OEMs - I'm a big EVGA fan. Their upgrade program is decent and I've read minimal bad experiences about warranty claims.
The bigger issue for current generation cards seems to be the "Amazon Return Scam;" where people buy a high end card, swap in an older card, then initiate a return. Then Amazon resells because the return is automated, and other buyers end up getting screwed
Launch X399 Motherboards are apparently all getting officially revealed tomorrow.
I really hope they're better designed than the X299 motherboards. One of the biggest WTFs I have with those is that the multiple m.2 drive ports, sata ports, and usb ports share the same PCIe 3.0 x4 bandwidh through their PCH when a single m.2 drive is meant to have that much bandwidth itself. I wonder if it's to keep compatiblity with the frankenstein i5/i7 X299 chips?
I've only had two MSI GPUs so far but neither have cause me any problems.
I'm thinking of spending a little more to get an EVGA next time though.
EDIT: On second thought, I do have issues with MSI's software. Live Update doesn't install updates at all and is pretty useless.
Also, I just checked the prices for this current generation for NVIDIA GPUs and god damn they are expensive. I remember paying a little over 500AUD for my 970, but the 1070 is around 700-800AUD. What the hell happened since the end of 2015 to make GPUs so expensive? It can't be due to mining can it, as this was apparently the introductory price here.
1070 MSRP was under 400 usd if memory serves me right. worse than usual Australia tax?
1070 msrp is $379 usd, and you can't find them for under $500 or so right now. Yes it's due to crypto currency miners. I guess the 1070 has the best hash rate to power usage ratio, and people are building dedicated mining rigs with six of them in there alongside one cpu, a little ram, and a big power supply. They make profits of a few bucks a day. It's really dumb and I can't wait for their market to crash.
379USD is about 480AUD. I think this might just be a case of local retailers being dicks, given the initial reports of the prices being similar to their current 700-800AUD prices.
If the same thing happens with the next generation of NVIDIA GPUS, I might just try holding onto my 970 for the next few years, as I really don't want to pay over 700AUD for a graphics card.
Unless countries start outright banning cryptocurrencies, this problem won't go away. In fact, it's liable to get worse due to fragmentation, until some of the currencies completely collapse or are folded into others.
Unfortunately, we are subject to the whims of the market in the meantime.
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I'm looking at a graphics upgrade, since apparently the band is getting back together again for Ark, and it ran like poop on my Radeon 7870 last time I tried it. Tomshardware tells me that I should look at a GTX 1060, but those are like, $400 CAD which is really outside my price range. Going down a step, they recommend the GTX 1050Ti, which looks affordable to me. However, Tom has it only one step up the hierarchy from my 7870, which means that I might not notice a difference in performance... That seems a bit crazy to me since the 7870 came out close to 5 years ago...
I guess my question is, is it worth it to upgrade to a GTX 1050 Ti from a Radeon 7870 to play stuff like Ark in 1080p? Or is there something else in the same price range I should consider?
Another option would be the RX 580 if you aren't completely set on NVIDIA. Like this one
But again, you are in around the $400 range. And the general rule is that you should only upgrade if you are going to move up 2 tiers based on the Tom's Hardware chart. That being said, 1 tier will work better. Just probably not that much better. What is your CPU, by the way? You might be able to find a youtube video of someone running ARK with your desired specs. I've found that very helpful and reassuring in the past.
SteamID: edgruberman GOG Galaxy: EdGruberman
- ASUS P8H77-V motherboard
- i5 3570
- 16GB DDR3 666MHz
- Intel 223GB SSD
Just checked the motherboard, and apparently I built this machine 2012-ish... time sure does fly.
While the CPU is a little worse than what you have, this should give you an idea of how the game will perform with a 1050Ti
SteamID: edgruberman GOG Galaxy: EdGruberman
I might take you up on that offer. Do you have any benchmarking software we could use as well? I have a 1070, 3570k (not overclocked), and a Z77X board whose capabilities I'm doubting.
Thanks much for the tip! That seems like a decent guide on disabling telemetry, and should be quite useful. Much appreciated.
That being said, it doesn't show much in the way of hardening/security. Does anyone perhaps have any advice on that?
Also, I've heard Win 10 will automatically update and replace your display adapter drivers regardless of what you want. The alternative seems to be a hack that disables ALL driver updates, which seems suboptimal. Is there any workaround for that?
Windows 10 doesn't touch my video drivers, to my knowledge. Maybe the one on my CPU, but not my 280X.
But if you install a video card driver manually, it won't do that.
Spybot S&D
MBAM
Avira Anti-virus (Free version)
You could do without third-party AV and just go with Defender; which is actually decent.
I have the same except sub AVG for Avira. I tried Avira, but it felt too daunting to use. Not particularly friendly for somebody just looking for an AV product. And Avast was just massively bloated and system intensive. AVG recently made some changes to their frontend that I don't care for, but the same functionality is still there without the bloat (so far).
Adbock (UBlock Origin) + Script Blocker on your Browser.
Malwarebytes (free).
Most viruses/etc come from ad servers.
// Switch: SW-5306-0651-6424 //
You might be waiting for a while unless you're willing to pay a huge markup. I want a 1070 but am willing to get a 1060 instead, but I am refusing to pay much more than msrp.
The inside is the same as the Evolv mATX, but has way better airflow due to the top and front not being restricted. You can also remove the optical drive cage to install more fans/bigger aio radiator. Plus its cheaper.
I will say though that the Evolv does look nice.
I personally bought the enthoo pro m instead due to price, better airflow and because I actually want to have an internal optical drive.
Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
CDW seems to have stock incoming, but who knows how long that will take. Also, I can get hardware through my work at a good price, basically whatever distributors sell at. And I'm sorry, but I can't resell to you all.
About a year ago I tried overclocking and couldn't get anything to happen with my i5-3570K, but I'm a beginner.
Now that I have a GTX 1080 TI and I'm playing more Total Warhammer, I want to give it another try.
https://reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/6osyu2/reminder_the_980ti_is_still_a_monster_of_a_gpu/
I'm thinking of spending a little more to get an EVGA next time though.
EDIT: On second thought, I do have issues with MSI's software. Live Update doesn't install updates at all and is pretty useless.
Also, I just checked the prices for this current generation for NVIDIA GPUs and god damn they are expensive. I remember paying a little over 500AUD for my 970, but the 1070 is around 700-800AUD. What the hell happened since the end of 2015 to make GPUs so expensive? It can't be due to mining can it, as this was apparently the introductory price here.
Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
1070 MSRP was under 400 usd if memory serves me right. worse than usual Australia tax?
There was a lawsuit because there was only 3.5GB of DDR5 ram, with 500mb being slower memory.
You had to file your claim by the end of November last year.
oh, that thing? Heh. Oh well, looks like I missed my chance.
I only happened on it because one of the guys at my work said something about it.
I mean, mine works well, no complaints. But, turn down $30 with no strings attached?
The bigger issue for current generation cards seems to be the "Amazon Return Scam;" where people buy a high end card, swap in an older card, then initiate a return. Then Amazon resells because the return is automated, and other buyers end up getting screwed
I really hope they're better designed than the X299 motherboards. One of the biggest WTFs I have with those is that the multiple m.2 drive ports, sata ports, and usb ports share the same PCIe 3.0 x4 bandwidh through their PCH when a single m.2 drive is meant to have that much bandwidth itself. I wonder if it's to keep compatiblity with the frankenstein i5/i7 X299 chips?
// Switch: SW-5306-0651-6424 //
379USD is about 480AUD. I think this might just be a case of local retailers being dicks, given the initial reports of the prices being similar to their current 700-800AUD prices.
If the same thing happens with the next generation of NVIDIA GPUS, I might just try holding onto my 970 for the next few years, as I really don't want to pay over 700AUD for a graphics card.
Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
Unfortunately, we are subject to the whims of the market in the meantime.