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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    The original IG was a miniseries.

    It had a bunch of tie-ins too. Plus a big lead-up in Silver Surfer.

  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    The two longest lines at C2E2 right now are for Greg Rucka and Chip Zdarsky

    Kinda crazy how popular Chip is here

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  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    The two longest lines at C2E2 right now are for Greg Rucka and Chip Zdarsky

    Kinda crazy how popular Chip is here

    Incredibly appropriate though.

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    Marvel will do...The Infinity Gauntlets event

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  • MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    The Infinity Sabaton.

  • Dr. Phibbs McAtheyDr. Phibbs McAthey Registered User regular
    The Infinity Girdle

  • DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    We're thinking too small.

    Marvel will to infinity Gauntlet events.

    Where it's just Gauntlet event after Gauntlet event, always, forever.

  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Bonus stupid to the hydra shirt thing. The shirts are only L and XxL because comic books and fat people etc.

    On the Locke and Key front I won't believe it until I see an actual episode. It was already going to be a show twice and a movie once and those all fell through.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Bonus stupid to the hydra shirt thing. The shirts are only L and XxL because comic books and fat people etc.

    On the Locke and Key front I won't believe it until I see an actual episode. It was already going to be a show twice and a movie once and those all fell through.

    And the stores have to actually buy them too

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    They already ran the Infinity stuff into the ground.

    Infinity Gauntlet
    Infinity War
    Infinity Crusade
    Warlock and the Infinity Watch
    Infinity Abyss
    Infinity
    Infinity Revelation
    Infinity Relativity
    Infinity Finale

  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Crisis of Infinite Events

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    infinity+1 gauntlet

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Stempy wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Delduwath wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    There is also the reality that the last 2 events have been... not great (and the events before that were also.. nothing, really), so benefit of the doubt is low.
    I realize you didn't like it, which is totally valid, but Secret Wars is pretty well regarded and enjoyed.

    CW2 was hot garbage for sure though

    I was talking about IvX (as well as CW2). I really liked Secret Wars, my interpretation of the ending is just different from almost literally everyone else's
    OK, well, now I'm super-curious. Would you mind laying it out here?

    When Reed and Doom are fighting, one of the last things Reed shouts at Doom is "I would have ruled better than you, and you know it!" or something of the sort.

    Which is basically Doom's entire philosophy. Reed's is all about family and being in this together and so on. So when Reed, at the end of the battle, sounds like Doom, well, it means that Doom's ideas have inculcated into Reed, and what better victory is there for a scientist, or a mage(or a god)? So essentially, I think Doom won Secret Wars. He proved superior to Reed ( he saved something of the universe, Reed could save nothing), and then, at the end of it all, he won the war of ideas. Doom has, to his mind, objectively proven that he defeated Reed Richards.

    One indication of this is that his scarred face was always a reminder to him of Reed's betrayal, and now that he has won, has no need of them, for example.
    Well, this might be the beers talking; and while I would never normally dismiss someone's take of a scene, I feel this is a huge mis-interpretation.

    Reed states he would have SOLVED things better than Doom - not ruled.

    That means no battleworld, no despot in charge. With the beyonder's power, Reed would have been better than creating a rip-off of the original secret wars planet to save the remainder of the galaxy. (Which I felt was a meta comment in the first place.)

    Reed renounces Doom's ideas, not is influenced by them.

    Eh, that's my take anyway.

    one of hickman's big themes for Reed (going back to his FF book however long ago) is that he's frequently on the edge of becoming a ridiculous jerk and is only turned back from that by his family; this is something he returns to decently frequently throughout time runs out and secret wars. I don't think Doom 'wins the war of ideas' because like Reed says, what's the first thing Doom does after acquiring godlike power? Who's the only person he's willing to show his true face to?

    Doom, for his part, "wins" only to discover he doesn't want the prize. He defeated his archenemy, became a god, and then he's... reduced to adjudicating between petty rulers? Having conquered everything, Doom's bored. He only gets interested when he realizes that Reed survived after all and he gets to lord his victory over him.

    Which imo is what he's laughing about at the end of the book: he still knows he "won," but now he gets a repaired face and a new world to conquer. He gets to have his cake and eat it too.

    A big part of it is he also gets to shove his win in Reed's face.

    It isn't about the power, he doesn't give a shit. It isn't about the adulation, no one's opinion matters. All that matters in the end, for Doom, is making Reed see what he's accomplished and admit he couldn't do it.

    Am I thinking of a different story? We're talking about the same comic where Doom admits Reed would have done a better job, and it costs him everything?

    Doom lost nothing he cared about. The only thing he wanted was acknowledgement from a person he respects, and there is essentially one person in the universe that Doom respects. Everything else is a means to that end. And as I said, Reed acknowlesging his methods and ideas is enough for him.

    Reed basically tells him he fucked up. That he had the right idea, but totally blew it in the execution. (This prompts the "I would have done it better, and we both know it." "YES DAMN YOU.. Now die!"). Doom then tells Reece to stop when he realizes he's about to lose the power based on what he just admitted.

    That doesn't strike me as the actions of someone who didn't want to keep his power. Doom is many things, but he isn't a man who plays the fool.

    I mean, I don't think we're meant to think in that moment that Doom wanted Reed to take over for him. At the same time, by then he's already 'won': he saved the universe when Reed couldn't. He saved Reed's family when Reed couldn't. And moreover, he got to rub Reed's face in it (which was 99% of what he ever wanted anyway.)

    I also think that we're meant to see that Doom was a discontented God-King; his primary character attribute is his ambition and without it he's lost, idly screwing around with his former enemies to amuse himself (ex: ultimate end, attilan rising.) At the end of the book he's happy because he got everything he wanted; he got to beat Reed and then he got a fresh new outlet for his ambition.

    Doom saved the world when Reed couldn't but not really because of anything he did. I bet that doesn't feel much at all like a victory to him. He saves the world on the back of someone else's power. Reed could have done them same if Reese had been with him and his rule his hilariously poor.

    I dont think any of the former matter to what I'm saying, and the last is irrelevant.
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Stempy wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Delduwath wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    There is also the reality that the last 2 events have been... not great (and the events before that were also.. nothing, really), so benefit of the doubt is low.
    I realize you didn't like it, which is totally valid, but Secret Wars is pretty well regarded and enjoyed.

    CW2 was hot garbage for sure though

    I was talking about IvX (as well as CW2). I really liked Secret Wars, my interpretation of the ending is just different from almost literally everyone else's
    OK, well, now I'm super-curious. Would you mind laying it out here?

    When Reed and Doom are fighting, one of the last things Reed shouts at Doom is "I would have ruled better than you, and you know it!" or something of the sort.

    Which is basically Doom's entire philosophy. Reed's is all about family and being in this together and so on. So when Reed, at the end of the battle, sounds like Doom, well, it means that Doom's ideas have inculcated into Reed, and what better victory is there for a scientist, or a mage(or a god)? So essentially, I think Doom won Secret Wars. He proved superior to Reed ( he saved something of the universe, Reed could save nothing), and then, at the end of it all, he won the war of ideas. Doom has, to his mind, objectively proven that he defeated Reed Richards.

    One indication of this is that his scarred face was always a reminder to him of Reed's betrayal, and now that he has won, has no need of them, for example.
    Well, this might be the beers talking; and while I would never normally dismiss someone's take of a scene, I feel this is a huge mis-interpretation.

    Reed states he would have SOLVED things better than Doom - not ruled.

    That means no battleworld, no despot in charge. With the beyonder's power, Reed would have been better than creating a rip-off of the original secret wars planet to save the remainder of the galaxy. (Which I felt was a meta comment in the first place.)

    Reed renounces Doom's ideas, not is influenced by them.

    Eh, that's my take anyway.

    one of hickman's big themes for Reed (going back to his FF book however long ago) is that he's frequently on the edge of becoming a ridiculous jerk and is only turned back from that by his family; this is something he returns to decently frequently throughout time runs out and secret wars. I don't think Doom 'wins the war of ideas' because like Reed says, what's the first thing Doom does after acquiring godlike power? Who's the only person he's willing to show his true face to?

    Doom, for his part, "wins" only to discover he doesn't want the prize. He defeated his archenemy, became a god, and then he's... reduced to adjudicating between petty rulers? Having conquered everything, Doom's bored. He only gets interested when he realizes that Reed survived after all and he gets to lord his victory over him.

    Which imo is what he's laughing about at the end of the book: he still knows he "won," but now he gets a repaired face and a new world to conquer. He gets to have his cake and eat it too.

    A big part of it is he also gets to shove his win in Reed's face.

    It isn't about the power, he doesn't give a shit. It isn't about the adulation, no one's opinion matters. All that matters in the end, for Doom, is making Reed see what he's accomplished and admit he couldn't do it.

    Am I thinking of a different story? We're talking about the same comic where Doom admits Reed would have done a better job, and it costs him everything?

    Doom lost nothing he cared about. The only thing he wanted was acknowledgement from a person he respects, and there is essentially one person in the universe that Doom respects. Everything else is a means to that end. And as I said, Reed acknowlesging his methods and ideas is enough for him.

    Reed basically tells him he fucked up. That he had the right idea, but totally blew it in the execution. (This prompts the "I would have done it better, and we both know it." "YES DAMN YOU.. Now die!"). Doom then tells Reece to stop when he realizes he's about to lose the power based on what he just admitted.

    That doesn't strike me as the actions of someone who didn't want to keep his power. Doom is many things, but he isn't a man who plays the fool.

    I mean, I don't think we're meant to think in that moment that Doom wanted Reed to take over for him. At the same time, by then he's already 'won': he saved the universe when Reed couldn't. He saved Reed's family when Reed couldn't. And moreover, he got to rub Reed's face in it (which was 99% of what he ever wanted anyway.)

    I also think that we're meant to see that Doom was a discontented God-King; his primary character attribute is his ambition and without it he's lost, idly screwing around with his former enemies to amuse himself (ex: ultimate end, attilan rising.) At the end of the book he's happy because he got everything he wanted; he got to beat Reed and then he got a fresh new outlet for his ambition.

    Doom saved the world when Reed couldn't but not really because of anything he did. I bet that doesn't feel much at all like a victory to him. He saves the world on the back of someone else's power. Reed could have done them same if Reese had been with him and his rule his hilariously poor.

    I dont think any of the former matter to what I'm saying, and the last is irrelevant.

    I was more responding to the person I quoted but I would say matters that doom wouldn't have seen what you say happened as a victory.

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  • BedigunzBedigunz Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    The two longest lines at C2E2 right now are for Greg Rucka and Chip Zdarsky

    Kinda crazy how popular Chip is here

    Greg Liefield had a pretty long line.

    It was full of assholes who were creepily leering at my female friend.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Bedigunz wrote: »
    Mr. G wrote: »
    The two longest lines at C2E2 right now are for Greg Rucka and Chip Zdarsky

    Kinda crazy how popular Chip is here

    Greg Liefield had a pretty long line.

    It was full of assholes who were creepily leering at my female friend.

    Greg or Rob

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  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    edited April 2017
    THESPOOKY wrote: »
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Return to Planet Hulk coming this fall
    Sooo....when marvel finishes consuming itself like an ouroboros of....oh...wait..I can do something for this..

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    So, do you think it'll start over again once it's finished re-consuming the ideas from the past?

    I don't see how there's even a question mark by Infinity Gauntlet

    I would bet my firstborn son, my internal organs, and a dollar on Infinity Gauntlet II dropping next year

    Which is why I put Infinity Gauntlet on there. The question is where it goes in the order of old events they're going to rehash. But yeah, I put it on there because they're definitely going to do it when the movies really start talking Infinity Gauntlet.

    Dedwrekka on
  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    I dunno maybe secret empire is gonna stretch out the way dark reign did?

    I dunno I really enjoyed dark reign, I would be in on dark reign 2

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    Speaking of that, has there even been an Osborn sighting since SW ended? Did he die at some point before? I remember he was in prison but after that it's fuzzy

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  • THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Marvel will do...The Infinity Gauntlets event

    fuck me, this is exactly what it will be, isn't it

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    They already did that in the Ultimate universe!

    Then they gave it to hulk who swore a lot about it

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Speaking of that, has there even been an Osborn sighting since SW ended? Did he die at some point before? I remember he was in prison but after that it's fuzzy

    He's fighting Peter again in some foreign country at the moment.

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  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Gustav wrote: »
    Crisis of Infinite Events

    Actually this is kinda what Secret Wars Battleworld and Secret Wars Warzones were.
    All the events, all playing out in different areas. Civil War, Age of Apocalypse, World War Hulk, Spider-Island, Marvel Zombies, Armor Wars, Age of Ultron, Annihilation Wave, ect ect.

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  • THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    IInfinity Gauntlets

    Infinitwo Gauntlets

    Twonos and the Intwofinite Gauntwos

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    What happened with thane anyway?

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    What happened with thane anyway?

    Kai Leng killed him

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Goddamn it Nick you can't have it both ways.

    This comic cannot be an unpolitical story about nothing in particular AND a super important and challenging story.

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  • MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    I agree with the first tweet, but he should have been less confrontational with it, and ended it right there instead of coming off like a dick in a rambling tweet storm.

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Maximum wrote: »
    I agree with the first tweet, but he should have been less confrontational with it, and ended it right there instead of coming off like a dick in a rambling tweet storm.
    Its a fine point of view that is incompatible with the way he's previously defended Secret Empire.

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    Maximum wrote: »
    I agree with the first tweet, but he should have been less confrontational with it, and ended it right there instead of coming off like a dick in a rambling tweet storm.
    Its a fine point of view that is incompatible with the way he's previously defended Secret Empire.

    I totally agree.

    It's not popular opinion, but I'm not of the mind that this is a story that shouldn't be told right now, but I wholeheartedly agree that Spencer has been a moron in his defense of it.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Yeah, my objection to Captain America being a full on Nazi has never been Trump. Honestly, if the setup weren't completely fucking awful, it could make the story more powerful.

  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »

    But you know
    Not a political story. No relation to current event.

    Odin's balls get the fuck off twitter what are you even doing.

  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    Also, quoting Alan Moore is fucking stupid.
    Firstly, Alan Moore is a crazy person who is anti-social at best and doesn't give a fuck if people read his stuff. He writes because why not.
    Second, Spencer isn't fit to hold Moore's typewriter lid
    Third, when Alan Moore played in a shared universe he was incredibly respectful to the core of the characters he used. He wrote complex stories that pushed the characters, but kept them who they were. What ever happened to the man of tomorrow pushed superman to the edge, but he didn't become fucking Lex Luthor or anything. Same with Killing joke.

  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Yeah, my objection to Captain America being a full on Nazi has never been Trump. Honestly, if the setup weren't completely fucking awful, it could make the story more powerful.

    It doesn't help that a lot of people are taking the most hyperbolic, click-baity reading of things and then playing a game of telephone with them! Bleeding Cool and the like shoulders the bulk of that blame, but a lot of the people in this thread mischaracterize things too. Like the whole "Steve was always a Nazi!" thing, when in reality it was Kobik doing cosmic cube shenanigans to do a retcon.

    Minor spoilers for issue 0:
    Kraken and Isaac fucking Newton aren't exactly reliable sources of information! (But they sure are a great way to get me to buy into something)

    Spoit on
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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    Goddamn it Nick you can't have it both ways.

    This comic cannot be an unpolitical story about nothing in particular AND a super important and challenging story.

    To be fair, "Super important and challenging but not actually, but still it counts but not really!" has been Marvel's mo for like, the past three or four years.

  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Yeah, my objection to Captain America being a full on Nazi has never been Trump. Honestly, if the setup weren't completely fucking awful, it could make the story more powerful.

    It doesn't help that a lot of people are taking the most hyperbolic, click-baity reading of things and then playing a game of telephone with them! Bleeding Cool and the like shoulders the bulk of that blame, but a lot of the people in this thread mischaracterize things too. Like the whole "Steve was always a Nazi!" thing, when in reality it was Kobik doing cosmic cube shenanigans to do a retcon.

    Minor spoilers for issue 0:
    Kraken and Isaac fucking Newton aren't exactly reliable sources of information! (But they sure are a great way to get me to buy into something)

    But yes, Spencer should really just delete his account

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Yeah, my objection to Captain America being a full on Nazi has never been Trump. Honestly, if the setup weren't completely fucking awful, it could make the story more powerful.

    It doesn't help that a lot of people are taking the most hyperbolic, click-baity reading of things and then playing a game of telephone with them! Bleeding Cool and the like shoulders the bulk of that blame, but a lot of the people in this thread mischaracterize things too. Like the whole "Steve was always a Nazi!" thing, when in reality it was Kobik doing cosmic cube shenanigans to do a retcon.

    Minor spoilers for issue 0:
    Kraken and Isaac fucking Newton aren't exactly reliable sources of information! (But they sure are a great way to get me to buy into something)

    "Steve was always Hydra" was straight from Marvel, IIRC. I remember us all calling bulkshit on it because we knew they were full of it.

  • Dr. Phibbs McAtheyDr. Phibbs McAthey Registered User regular
    Yeah I dunno, the whole "he was always Hydra, the Allies cosmic cube made him good" really robs him of his character. This way, Cap was always a Hydra shitbird. He wasn't always the best of us, the cube made him that way. Tony was right, the best thing about him really did come out of a bottle.
    I wish I could say it will be interesting to see how they'll work their way out of it, but, nah, it won't. My money is on Cosmic means to set him back, but that leaves him a product of divine meddling, not the symbol of hope he's been since his inception. Better job of assassinating the character than that one time he was actually assassinated.

  • MidniteMidnite Registered User regular
    I think this is all Brevoort's "we'd rather have angry fans than apathetic ones" shtick coming full circle.

    Which might have worked ten years ago when the market was a vastly different place (their only major competitor alternating between a couple really good ideas and a whole lot of really, really bad ones, no mcu and effective diversity push to bring in a bunch of new readers, no real digital market since smart phones and tablets weren't ubiquitous yet). But today? It just seems like a real good way to burn up all of your company's goodwill and shit all of over one of your most beloved and important characters for the sake of a really hack story.

  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    I still think Cap getting turned into a super fascist, and then everyone having to save him somehow could be really good, if this Spencer guy knew when to shut the fuck up

    It seems like Marvel is trying to be really clever with this, when it's really obvious to even a non reader what is going on

    But they're acting like this is how it's always been, this is some big secret etc etc

    I guess it makes some sense, because the cyclic nature of events is exhausting

    But a story can be good and important and still matter if it's a good story, even if it is not a huge deal forever

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