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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Spider-Man: Homecoming
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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Yeah this Marvel stuff is making me really glad I don't read comics. I may also stop going to see their movies.

    Their movies and comic division are totally different things

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    That seems in line with Magneto, no?
    Not when it comes to Nazis, no

    Marvel's response; Hydra aren't Nazi's.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    That seems in line with Magneto, no?
    Not when it comes to Nazis, no

    Marvel's response; Hydra aren't Nazi's.
    Which is a bullshit response so I don't care

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    If both Sam and Steve are going to give up the CA mantel after Secret Empire, maybe the Spider-Gwen version can be integrated into the 616 continuity?

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    That seems in line with Magneto, no?
    Not when it comes to Nazis, no

    Marvel's response; Hydra aren't Nazi's.
    Which is a bullshit response so I don't care

    You don't get to adopt nazi styling and actions whole sale and then hedge back by saying, not nazis

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    We already know Steve and Sam are both Cap post SE

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    bring in captain america 2099

  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    Also
    http://io9.gizmodo.com/why-is-dc-comics-doing-a-better-job-of-celebrating-jack-1795472475

    The answer of course being because the comics part of marvel comics is pants on head stupid right now

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Honestly I don't remember nearly this many thinkpieces about the problems with DC when they were really struggling from about 2013 to 2016.

  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    I think it's a testament to just how boneheaded Marvel currently is. Because how quickly they squandered near infinite goodwill is astounding.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    That seems in line with Magneto, no?

    Hydra is putting mutants in camps.

    I thought they were putting Inhumans in camps.

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Honestly I don't remember nearly this many thinkpieces about the problems with DC when they were really struggling from about 2013 to 2016.
    I think the horrible faceplant they have recently done in regards to their messaging about diverse characters and books starring them is a large part of that

    DC sucked for a good long while but I don't think Didio ever blamed that on diverse characters and then tried to say how important they are right before cancelling their only all-black character team title after 6 issues

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  • masterofmetroidmasterofmetroid Have you ever looked at a world and seen it as a kind of challenge?Registered User regular
    Honestly I don't remember nearly this many thinkpieces about the problems with DC when they were really struggling from about 2013 to 2016.
    DC didn't have a thriving entertainment empire to waste at the time

  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Yeah and DC had the luxury of mostly just doing bad comics. Not doing bad politically charged comics in the worst possible time to do bad politically charged comics.

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  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    This sentence really stuck out to me
    Instead of simply telling people to buy their books, they could instruct new audiences how.

    coupled with a shift in the value placed on singles sales towards trades and they'd be in a far more sustainable position imo.

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  • AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    That seems in line with Magneto, no?
    Not when it comes to Nazis, no

    Marvel's response; Hydra aren't Nazi's.
    Which is a bullshit response so I don't care

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    No matter how broken the direct market is, Marvel publishing their own books fucking bankrupted them near 20 years ago. Being owned by Disney isn't going to change that. I talked to this with my LCS owner who's been dealing with Diamond since the 80's and he says that people who want the current system to die don't know what they're talking about. Oh sure the system needs fixing but Disney and WB sure as shit would be worse options.

    Why is publishing comics so difficult.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    No matter how broken the direct market is, Marvel publishing their own books fucking bankrupted them near 20 years ago. Being owned by Disney isn't going to change that. I talked to this with my LCS owner who's been dealing with Diamond since the 80's and he says that people who want the current system to die don't know what they're talking about. Oh sure the system needs fixing but Disney and WB sure as shit would be worse options.

    Why is publishing comics so difficult.
    Yes it does!

    They went from being entirely self-owned to having the backing of one of the largest corporations on the planet!!!!!

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    No matter how broken the direct market is, Marvel publishing their own books fucking bankrupted them near 20 years ago. Being owned by Disney isn't going to change that. I talked to this with my LCS owner who's been dealing with Diamond since the 80's and he says that people who want the current system to die don't know what they're talking about. Oh sure the system needs fixing but Disney and WB sure as shit would be worse options.

    Why is publishing comics so difficult.
    Yes it does!

    They went from being entirely self-owned to having the backing of one of the largest corporations on the planet!!!!!

    And Mike (the LCS owner) says that doesn't matter.

    Considering he's been working in the industry since 1982 I take his word seriously.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    if bandai can go around diamond to start pushing gunpla out in the US by itself, marvel can have disney do the distro work

  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    When I see him again I'll ask him to elaborate more.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    No matter how broken the direct market is, Marvel publishing their own books fucking bankrupted them near 20 years ago. Being owned by Disney isn't going to change that. I talked to this with my LCS owner who's been dealing with Diamond since the 80's and he says that people who want the current system to die don't know what they're talking about. Oh sure the system needs fixing but Disney and WB sure as shit would be worse options.

    Why is publishing comics so difficult.
    Yes it does!

    They went from being entirely self-owned to having the backing of one of the largest corporations on the planet!!!!!

    And Mike (the LCS owner) says that doesn't matter.

    Considering he's been working in the industry since 1982 I take his word seriously.

    well my lcs owner says mike is full of horseshit

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    No matter how broken the direct market is, Marvel publishing their own books fucking bankrupted them near 20 years ago. Being owned by Disney isn't going to change that. I talked to this with my LCS owner who's been dealing with Diamond since the 80's and he says that people who want the current system to die don't know what they're talking about. Oh sure the system needs fixing but Disney and WB sure as shit would be worse options.

    Why is publishing comics so difficult.
    Yes it does!

    They went from being entirely self-owned to having the backing of one of the largest corporations on the planet!!!!!

    And Mike (the LCS owner) says that doesn't matter.

    Considering he's been working in the industry since 1982 I take his word seriously.
    I think Mike has no idea what he's talking about since he doesn't work at Marvel and has no idea what being owned by Disney has done for them

    like

    Mike is likely a totally fine guy but "guy who has been in the comic shop business for almost 40 years" is not really someone I trust to have an objective opinion about what would be best for the comics market developing past just selling at comic shops

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  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Marvel would in no way bankrupt itself by using Disney's publishing arm. Like saying Hyrda aren't Nazis is more believable than that.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    No matter how broken the direct market is, Marvel publishing their own books fucking bankrupted them near 20 years ago. Being owned by Disney isn't going to change that. I talked to this with my LCS owner who's been dealing with Diamond since the 80's and he says that people who want the current system to die don't know what they're talking about. Oh sure the system needs fixing but Disney and WB sure as shit would be worse options.

    Why is publishing comics so difficult.
    Yes it does!

    They went from being entirely self-owned to having the backing of one of the largest corporations on the planet!!!!!

    And Mike (the LCS owner) says that doesn't matter.

    Considering he's been working in the industry since 1982 I take his word seriously.
    I think Mike has no idea what he's talking about since he doesn't work at Marvel and has no idea what being owned by Disney has done for them

    like

    Mike is likely a totally fine guy but "guy who has been in the comic shop business for almost 40 years" is not really someone I trust to have an objective opinion about what would be best for the comics market developing past just selling at comic shops

    He's not against comics being sold outside shops to be clear.

    He just says people who rally against the current system don't know what it's like to work in it. And he fully agrees the system needs fixing.

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  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Any system that requires comic creators to get out and explain to readers how to get their books even into shops is a system that is totally and utterly broken imho

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    Any system that requires comic creators to get out and explain to readers how to get their books even into shops is a system that is totally and utterly broken imho

    yeah well what would you know, you only make comics

  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    I wish I could tape his arguments cause he's a super intelligent dude.

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  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    Any system that requires comic creators to get out and explain to readers how to get their books even into shops is a system that is totally and utterly broken imho

    yeah well what would you know, you only make comics

    In fairness I'm a small fry in a supersized combo.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    I wish I could tape his arguments cause he's a super intelligent dude.

    Smart people are often wrong, especially when there is bias

  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    He's also completely in agreement with Marvel being full of shit regarding Hydra and their general problems, which they can't blame on the direct market.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    That seems in line with Magneto, no?

    Hydra is putting mutants in camps.

    I thought they were putting Inhumans in camps.

    They were doing both, and then with this deal just expelling all the mutants? I dunno.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Honestly I don't remember nearly this many thinkpieces about the problems with DC when they were really struggling from about 2013 to 2016.

    I mean, DC just had bad writing. They weren't doing anything catastrophivally wrong, the editorial direction was just stupid.

  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    This sentence really stuck out to me
    Instead of simply telling people to buy their books, they could instruct new audiences how.

    coupled with a shift in the value placed on singles sales towards trades and they'd be in a far more sustainable position imo.

    This got me interested.
    How is it that the Marvel website and books don't have a single thing relating to comic book stores?
    I used to be huge into Games-Workshop games and they had a store locator that not only let you find the nearby GW stores, but every local game store retailer in the area. There was a list of new GW and LGS that carried GW products in a one page ad on their magazines.

    The Marvel site doesn't even seem to mention that comic book stores exist. There isn't any store locator, there isn't any page mentioning comic book stores in the comics. Nothin. Pushing your direct distribution I get, but not even mentioning the only physical places that you can get the comics you make?

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Honestly the most eye opening thing I saw in the Atlantic story is how they chose Ewing's Avengers books as an example of branding/relaunching gone wrong, which I hadn't ever really considered since I was just happily buying them

    Started as Mighty Avengers (the second series of that name)

    Relaunched into Captain America and the Mighty Avengers after a year

    then New Avengers (the...fourth? Series of that name) and Ultimates (also the fourth) which incorporated characters and plot elements from Mighty Avengers

    then Ultimates 2 and USAvengers both of which used characters and elements from all previous runs

    Which is a hell of a path for a new fan to follow if they were just wanting to pick up Ewing's stuff. I love that Ewing is basically just constantly telling one huge story, but that is some incredibly poor clarity as far as showing the lineage of these books and the connection between them that I never would have picked up on since I'm used to it

    EDIT: and that doesn't include Contest of Champions which has factored into both of the current books as well


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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    No matter how broken the direct market is, Marvel publishing their own books fucking bankrupted them near 20 years ago. Being owned by Disney isn't going to change that. I talked to this with my LCS owner who's been dealing with Diamond since the 80's and he says that people who want the current system to die don't know what they're talking about. Oh sure the system needs fixing but Disney and WB sure as shit would be worse options.

    Why is publishing comics so difficult.
    Yes it does!

    They went from being entirely self-owned to having the backing of one of the largest corporations on the planet!!!!!

    Yeah.

    The tl;dr version of how it works is basically that Marvel can go bankrupt, but it won't matter because Disney won't allow their cash cow to be sold for parts. So Disney will settle whatever debts Marvel owes to keep them afloat.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    No matter how broken the direct market is, Marvel publishing their own books fucking bankrupted them near 20 years ago. Being owned by Disney isn't going to change that. I talked to this with my LCS owner who's been dealing with Diamond since the 80's and he says that people who want the current system to die don't know what they're talking about. Oh sure the system needs fixing but Disney and WB sure as shit would be worse options.

    Why is publishing comics so difficult.

    Trying to self publish was one of SEVERAL backfiring ideas that bankrupted Marvel. (Another was buying a trading card company nearly around the exact moment the market dropped out on that industry)

    In theory, if they had made one less bad decision, they could have rode things out.

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  • MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    We're getting to the point where I don't see any other outcome besides them blowing the whole universe up after this thing and starting over.

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