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    EtiowsaEtiowsa Registered User regular
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    I'm currently getting matched with I think plat 1-2s in my hero league placements, so I'm probably somewhere around there.

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    ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
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    Is that good? Someone tell me if that's good. (Cannot describe how annoyed I am at the Jaina that cost us that one loss)

    From my own experiences with Leoric, Cassia and Probius, I think the matchmaker just gives you ridiculously easy games when you're a low level with a hero. I probably won my first 10 games with each of them handily before it started throwing me into completely shit games.
    Then again, yeah, you could be really good with her.

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    ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    Also, it's insane that Varian still isn't a tank. Seriously, what the hell?

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Cho'gall and Auriel is still a dirty thing to queue up in QM for

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    SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    Also, it's insane that Varian still isn't a tank. Seriously, what the hell?

    I don't understand wow nostalgia, but lots of people want to play Varian poorly

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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    We were down all 3 keeps on sky temple and managed to force a 4 for 0 wipe at our core. We had their top keep at 1%, so we had win. One person doesn't show, and 2 people spend the entire time attacking D.va and we finish with 70% on core. It's so frustrating pulling out a win against a better team and having it thrown because people don't just want to win.

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    KorrorKorror Registered User regular
    SeGaTai wrote: »
    Also, it's insane that Varian still isn't a tank. Seriously, what the hell?

    I don't understand wow nostalgia, but lots of people want to play Varian poorly

    When varian was released, assassin varian was the only way to play him. It took heavy nerfs to twin blades/colossal smash and buffs to taunt to make tank varian the one true varian. I expect people still remember soloing entire teams with twin blades that they instinctively go for it when they're varian.

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    Tim is on the InternetTim is on the Internet On the Internet Edmonton, ABRegistered User regular
    I'm not good with D.Va, but she's just so fun.

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    Knight_ wrote: »
    Ah ok, someone in this thread has already said new Alarak is fun. Def first ban town then. any time a hero is "fun" on release or rework they are wildly overpowered.

    ALSO

    I don't think this is a fair metric at all

    I mean like, I literally played 4 games with him today and won three, that's hardly quantifiable as "this Hero is OP because I'm having fun with them"

    If you want to go by real actual data, Hotslogs actually has enough logged right now for a very early look at how Alarak's performing.

    Spoilers: His winrate is virtually unchanged! He's got 1500 games logged with this patch at a 53.1% popularity rate, sitting at a 43.9% winrate, for QM. His winrate prior to this patch was 44.3%.

    Again, it's VERY early, but I figure 1500 games is good enough for an early Day One look at how he's doing. There's not enough data at all for HL statistics yet, only about 100 games or so.

    I mean we'll see if those numbers stick or not, it's only day one data. But so far, virtually unchanged winrate.

    beep boop Alarak now has over 16000 games played in QM and *gasp* his winrate is still sitting around 43-44%

    in HL he has 1700 games played and has a 47% winrate

    it's almost like there's no correlation between a hero being fun to play and their actual strength!

    i definitely think he's better than he was, but his winrate has barely budged an inch! he's not OP!

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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Zeratul is OP and his winrate is 48%.

    People being bad at a super high skillcap hero doesn't mean he's balanced.

    I mean shit they spent 2 months nerfing tassadar into the ground when he already had a sub 45% winrate.

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    UrQuanLord88UrQuanLord88 Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Why is there an uptick of people picking BW? Seems subpar like 90% of the time especially when there's medic, monk, treeman, wolfman and so many other better healers

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    WHAT THE FUCK. ARE THESE GAMES.

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    No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    Why is there an uptick of people picking BW? Seems subpar like 90% of the time

    How does Polymorph interact with Dva?

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    General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    Varian is the one hero that I absolutely abhor. Even if a bot is using him. He's just invulnerable 90% of the time. I just hate him no matter what.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Why is there an uptick of people picking BW? Seems subpar like 90% of the time

    How does Polymorph interact with Dva?

    well she gets polymorphed

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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Man, great comeback game on Braxis. Lucio (me), Raynor, Varian, Johanna, and Muradin into Rehgar, Zul'jin, Tracer, Artanis, and Nova. We were getting completely rolled at the start. I couldn't keep up with the healing at all, we lost the first two beacons 100-0, and were down 2 levels when they hit 10. We hung on to hit 10 and everything turned around completely. Between Parryian, Avatar Muradin, and Sound Barrier, we were able to last through the damage and limp through, but win every team fight after that. Once we hit 16 and I picked up Rejuv, it was a massacre.

    So satifying after teammates were already saying "Win some, lose some" after the second beacon. And yeah, Varian... something's really gotta be done about that. I almost felt bad for the Tracer/Zul'jin at the end.

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Why is there an uptick of people picking BW? Seems subpar like 90% of the time

    How does Polymorph interact with Dva?

    well she gets polymorphed

    What if she's in her mech, gets polymorphed, and dies before it ends?

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    morgan_cokemorgan_coke Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Why is there an uptick of people picking BW? Seems subpar like 90% of the time

    How does Polymorph interact with Dva?

    well she gets polymorphed

    What if she's in her mech, gets polymorphed, and dies before it ends?

    She ejects from the squirrel.

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    PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    It needs a custom animation where she just bursts out of it like a chest-burster.

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    finnithfinnith ... TorontoRegistered User regular
    @MNC Dover

    I'm CavilatRest#1874 on BNET. I haven't played HL this season but my MMR is ~2600. Regarding my roles, if you can slot me in as Tank/Assassin that'd be great. Mostly been playing the latter this season.

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    When the other team drafts all specialists but they leave Hammer so you take her with last pick and out-push them the entire game because they can't touch you.

    Fuck yo cheese.

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    finnithfinnith ... TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Sometimes a cheese comp is needed to cap off a good night of HotS.
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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Genji has some weird interaction with Zeratul's vorpal blade. I swear sometimes his E cancels it, hitting him, ready to 1 if he Es away so I can finish the gank, and poof it's gone. I should watch some replays to see what is happening because it's a bit frustrating.

    edit: I guess maybe he's dodging later attacks so the 3 second timer isn't from my most recent swing, not sure.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Looks like our team captains are going to be @Etiowsa and @finnith. I'll need both of you to PM me your list of players from top to bottom. Your highest listed player available will be drafted first and so forth. Finnish won the coin toss and will get first pick. That means Etiowsa's team will get choice of first map selection and option to draft first or second.

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    Genji has some weird interaction with Zeratul's vorpal blade. I swear sometimes his E cancels it, hitting him, ready to 1 if he Es away so I can finish the gank, and poof it's gone. I should watch some replays to see what is happening because it's a bit frustrating.

    edit: I guess maybe he's dodging later attacks so the 3 second timer isn't from my most recent swing, not sure.

    I've been able to Vorpal to a Genji after he E'd, so if there is a bug there's probably more to it than just the E. Maybe some talents or something?

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    UrQuanLord88UrQuanLord88 Registered User regular
    7 game lost streak but I learned today that Entomb + D.VA's ult is a pretty decent combo

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    I'm not good with D.Va, but she's just so fun.

    I just dislike her self distruct takes forever
    7 game lost streak but I learned today that Entomb + D.VA's ult is a pretty decent combo

    I cannot wait to get grouped with someone playing Leoric just to do that

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    ErlecErlec Registered User regular
    So I've played a huge amount of quick match games where I have chosen to use a random hero and gotten Rexxar of all people, one of my least used heroes. It's gotten so far that I've now a build on him that works fairly well on him. So much so I could do fairly well against most heroes in a 1 vs 1 battle. Here's the build and strategy:

    Rexxar

    Pros
    + You are two heroes in one. For capturing points, laning, capturing merc camps and pushing. Misha counts for all of these so you can do a lot of stuff at the same time.
    + Misha has a fairly short stun, that is fast and quite useful.
    + Misha is to use to get regen globes, poke at other heroes and still stay safe.

    - If misha is dead, you lose a lot of power. She does spawn again fairly fast but that death gives the other team xp.
    - Has problems against being targeted harshly. If you die when misha is still alive, both die.

    General comment

    One of the goals of this build is to make Rexxar a solid threat during the entire game. With Misha being an annoying stunlocker and Rexxar a solid damage dealer. It also makes sure that when Misha is dead you still have the ability to be a threat.

    Talents

    Level 1 - Easy prey/Flare - Choose flare if they have a stealth hero or you are worried about their team being a roamer gank team. Otherwise use Easy prey to keep Misha in lane, harrass both minions and enemy heroes. Using her to tank camps is also fantastic.

    Level 4 - Hunter-gatherer - Although Animal Husbandry can be really neat, your main goal is to build both yourself and Misha up to be hard to kill quickly. Your secondary goal in the match after helping out the team/capturing points is to get 20 regen globes. The Health Regen and armor is really useful to survive prolonged engagements.

    Level 7 - Taking Flight - Although aspect of the Beast is great, it does put a fairly large amount of stress on the fact of keeping Misha alive and hitting targets. As most enemy teams will either moving around or doing a large amount of damage to other characters, it is in fact quite hard to make use of that talent very well. Taking flight however helps with nailing Spirit Swoops (one of the Rexxars best poking abilities aside from Misha) it also lets you have a spirit swoop every five seconds which is great.

    Level 10 - Unleash the Boars - Bestial Wrath can be neat, but it does not help Misha's survive any damage coming her way. Unleash the boards is a much better ability to poke on an enemy team as well as keep a enemy team both exposed and slowed down.

    Level 13 - Aspect of the Hawk - This makes Rexxar a threat against any hero that tries to stay close to him. With the low cooldown of spirit swoop, you can keep the attack speed buff up fairly often. Wildefire bear or Dire beast is also good but are both reliant on keeping Misha alive which at this point of the game which is fairly hard at a powered up enemy team.

    Level 16 - Thrill of the hunt/Primal intimidation - Use Primal Intimidation against a team of auto attackers, otherwise get primal intimidation to keep you and Misha fast at chasing or escaping targets. Feign death can be amazing, but against a team that is coordinated, you'll not be able to keep Misha up during this time. The invulnerability is quite fantastic however.

    Level 20 Kill command or Frenzy of Kalimdor - Rooting a enemy target is amazing, but with the attack speed buff, having an extra 10 % damage is super neat. If the enemy team is full of stealthers or fast characters who can escape. use Kill command.

    Strategy

    Keep yourself behind your minion wave and Misha poking at their wave backline. If there's an enemy hero that is easy to poke damage at, use both spirit swoop, and Misha to harrass the enemy heroes. Your goal is to make them waste their abilities on Misha and use Mend pet to keep her alive. During a teamfight, your goal is to use Misha to harrass the squishy parts of their team while using yourself as a poking character supporting whatever hero is targeted and dissuading any burst characters to jump in. As the game moves on you'll survive engagements and poking due to Hunter-Gatherer as well keeping your mana useage efficent. You are not the hero that'll creater the nicest plays most often, but rather you'll be the one quietly doing a solid amount of damage and ccing so that the enemy team gets very annoyed.

    :Good luck and have fun:!

    P.S.

    Quick match is a odd place to try this build out however, I'll not use him for hero leagues or draft due to other heroes filling out better peeling roles or damage roles. If you are curious about something send a message or post a reply. I'm around if you want tips about the game.

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    finnithfinnith ... TorontoRegistered User regular
    So is there a reason why Varian hasn't been re-categorized as a Warrior, shit even a Bruiser, in QM?

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    dav3ybdav3yb Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    Knight_ wrote: »
    Diablo's biggest problem right now is just that the meta isn't great for him. But Devil's Due is so gd strong that once you get to 100 you never die and never back and just are a constant presence which is pretty effective.

    I'd put him below Anub in the straight tanks bucket, and Dehaka kinda just does his job better, but Diablo is fun as shit anyway. Just slamming people into walls and fucking their shit up, I think I say fuck you and fuck you and fuck you out loud more on diablo than all other heroes put together.

    Diablo is unequivocally better for getting picks. But on that vein, you need to draft a comp around that, to your point you might as well have taken Anub or Muradin or even Tyrael instead. Otherwise he's just a giant sitting duck and is terrible for defensive peeling.

    Diablo is only so so for getting picks vs tongue, since he has to charge in and displace further into the enemy team. After 16 he can do the double q which helps, but it's not great. If you mean ganks then Muradin or Anub are better than Diablo anyway until 16.

    Diablo is fairly effective at peeling though, not sure how you're playing him. He can dismount chasers with W, he can Q people away from his team, he can E people away from his team. He can Apoc to force people away. He's more map dependent because big open areas like the cavernous lanes on Hanamura are shitawful for him, and your positioning has to be very good, but he can pretty much do anything on that front given the right map and play. Obviously other heroes are better at it, but Diablo isn't really the best at anything except just utterly obliterating characters in tight maps. But he's pretty good at everything, and having god tier sustain through devil's due is enormous value.

    If you're using charge FIRST when engaging, you're playing Diablo wrong. Unless you're getting around on a flank and charging them towards you're side, you should never put yourself in a situation where you are charging away from your keeps unless it's a secured kill.

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    NyhtNyht Registered User regular
    Brainleech wrote: »
    7 game lost streak but I learned today that Entomb + D.VA's ult is a pretty decent combo

    I cannot wait to get grouped with someone playing Leoric just to do that

    Make no mistake, when it's your time to try it, your team's Medivh/Zeratul will Leyline/VP them at the last moment and prevent it from happening. You will get on Funny HOTS Moments but not for the reason you want.

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    General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    Mediv + Diablo + laning phase = fun.

    Drop a teleport gate and suddenly Diablo is behind the enemy. Then Diablo has tackled the enemy towards your towers.

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    finnithfinnith ... TorontoRegistered User regular
    Nyht wrote: »
    Brainleech wrote: »
    7 game lost streak but I learned today that Entomb + D.VA's ult is a pretty decent combo

    I cannot wait to get grouped with someone playing Leoric just to do that

    Make no mistake, when it's your time to try it, your team's Medivh/Zeratul will Leyline/VP them at the last moment and prevent it from happening. You will get on Funny HOTS Moments but not for the reason you want.

    Artanis' swap (especially if talented at 13) works in a pinch if you don't have an entomb available.

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    dav3yb wrote: »
    Knight_ wrote: »
    Knight_ wrote: »
    Diablo's biggest problem right now is just that the meta isn't great for him. But Devil's Due is so gd strong that once you get to 100 you never die and never back and just are a constant presence which is pretty effective.

    I'd put him below Anub in the straight tanks bucket, and Dehaka kinda just does his job better, but Diablo is fun as shit anyway. Just slamming people into walls and fucking their shit up, I think I say fuck you and fuck you and fuck you out loud more on diablo than all other heroes put together.

    Diablo is unequivocally better for getting picks. But on that vein, you need to draft a comp around that, to your point you might as well have taken Anub or Muradin or even Tyrael instead. Otherwise he's just a giant sitting duck and is terrible for defensive peeling.

    Diablo is only so so for getting picks vs tongue, since he has to charge in and displace further into the enemy team. After 16 he can do the double q which helps, but it's not great. If you mean ganks then Muradin or Anub are better than Diablo anyway until 16.

    Diablo is fairly effective at peeling though, not sure how you're playing him. He can dismount chasers with W, he can Q people away from his team, he can E people away from his team. He can Apoc to force people away. He's more map dependent because big open areas like the cavernous lanes on Hanamura are shitawful for him, and your positioning has to be very good, but he can pretty much do anything on that front given the right map and play. Obviously other heroes are better at it, but Diablo isn't really the best at anything except just utterly obliterating characters in tight maps. But he's pretty good at everything, and having god tier sustain through devil's due is enormous value.

    If you're using charge FIRST when engaging, you're playing Diablo wrong. Unless you're getting around on a flank and charging them towards you're side, you should never put yourself in a situation where you are charging away from your keeps unless it's a secured kill.

    Not exactly true.

    I've seen this come up time and time again in the thread, I think I've made a few posts on it in the past. Here's one, clipped down:
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    I haven't played much in ages but Diablo was my go to guy

    You really really don't want to use Q as an Engage unless you're confident you have backup. You strand yourself and have no escape. You're better Using E on an enemy then Q to separate them from their team.

    This is almost impossible to do in practice because the enemy will just walk away as you're approaching. Sure, sometimes in a hectic teamfight you can pull off an E->Q, but it's not gonna happen most of the time, not without some other sort of set up. That's why Q->E is the better approach, because Q is point-and-click and doesn't give them a chance to react.

    Like every other tank, the question instead is "when should I Q in". Sometimes you just don't. Sometimes you just sit there on your ass and just wait. You wait until it's not only safe but you also have your team backing you up. You never ever want to just thrust yourself into the middle of the whole team. Look for stragglers and isolated targets instead, make sure your team is with you.

    It's really, really not as easy to pull off E->Q as you're making it out to be.

    In an ideal world, yes, E->Q is optimal.

    In a realistic world, Q->E works just as good. As long as you're being safe about your positioning, you have nothing to fear about Q->E.

    Plus I mean, if the enemy team is just completely bunched up and it's not looking safe to engage at all, force the engage with Apoc. R>Q>E, scatter the enemy team and blow up a target of your choice.

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    General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Dav3yb was quoting someone who was using Diablo to dive deeper into the enemy team's territory, not someone who was positioning safely.

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    morgan_cokemorgan_coke Registered User regular
    Man, I quit doing HL for a good long while and managed to fairly "git gud" in QM, to where my QM MMR is low Diamond, while my HL rank is mid-Silver.
    And just, wow, the difference is NOTICEABLE.

    Like, I can 1v1 pretty much anyone at this level of HL without a lot of trouble. But it's so much more noticeable with the teammates. People always being in what is clearly, to me, a bad position, taking routes to map objectives that are likely to get you ganked, taking mercs at the wrong times, not coming to objectives, terrible drafting, no coordination, etc. etc. Like, I was on D.Va with an Anub'Arak vs. a Li-Ming and a Gul'dan, and I ask him, repeatedly, which one he wants to dive and pick off first.

    I never get an answer and he keeps losing fights to Kerrigan and Johanna, because that's who he should be fighting as Anub. Or the way teammates keep trying to re-engage vs. a Li-Ming at low health.. just asking for it. I dunno, I'm not salty about it or anything, and it's not like higher levels are paragons of no-potatoes or anything, it's just very noticeable.

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    dav3ybdav3yb Registered User regular
    Dav3yb was quoting someone who was using Diablo to dive deeper into the enemy team's territory, not someone who was positioning safely.

    Pretty much this. We had a game with a Diablo who would constantly just Charge->Overpower putting himself between enemy towers and enemies. It's also helpful to have a Lucio or Karazim to help speed boost to the enemy so they can avoid just waltzing away

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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    I was talking during 5v5 team fights re: ending up deep in enemy lines with a q. Not rando laning ganks.

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    SivrajSivraj Registered User regular
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    Is that good? Someone tell me if that's good. (Cannot describe how annoyed I am at the Jaina that cost us that one loss)

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    ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    An incredibly pleasant surprise today, I went 3-1 across games that had mostly lower rank players. Like, oddly coordinated teams in general and it just let me run rampant with Greymane. The only game we lost was Braxis, and we even could have turned that around if our Alarak hadn't quit at L9. He wasn't great, but neither were they. People just kept over-rotating and we could never control the map.
    Bonus points to AI Alarak who, when we all gathered to defend a beacon, immediately started attacking a merc camp the moment the enemy showed up. There must be some bug in the AI for that map, because I know others here were recently complaining about the same. It's just incredibly strange behavior ...

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