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Penny Arcade - Comic - Evolution

DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
edited April 21 in The Penny Arcade Hub

imagePenny Arcade - Comic - Evolution

Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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  • JefferJJefferJ Registered User new member
    edited April 21
    I appreciate the idea of what you guys did with the framing in the middle, but it almost looks like a mistake and threw me off at first. Maybe consider some sketchiness to the edges of the black or something so it looks more intentional?

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  • zethololozethololo Registered User regular
    it actually looked worse than what you drawn now, Mike :D

  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    Oh god it's been almost twenty years wtf

    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
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  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    Totally thought some super old comic got commented on at first. This is excellent.

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  • Skull2185Skull2185 Cute'thulu Registered User regular
    Looks like Gabe ate too much queso!

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu ___________PIGEON _________San Diego, CA Registered User regular
    JefferJ wrote: »
    I appreciate the idea of what you guys did with the framing in the middle, but it almost looks like a mistake and threw me off at first. Maybe consider some sketchiness to the edges of the black or something so it looks more intentional?
    But... the borders weren't sketchy back then.

  • JefferJJefferJ Registered User new member
    JefferJ wrote: »
    I appreciate the idea of what you guys did with the framing in the middle, but it almost looks like a mistake and threw me off at first. Maybe consider some sketchiness to the edges of the black or something so it looks more intentional?
    But... the borders weren't sketchy back then.

    I'm not saying the borders should be sketchy. The black to white changeover is what I was referring to.

  • bbullockbbullock Registered User regular
    Interesting that the middle panel is a clear effort by Mr. Krahulik to copy his original style, but also is clearly discernible from it. See here for the very first comic: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/1998/11/18

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  • FuzFuz Registered User regular
    His har were better without that giant, ridiculous tuft of hair.

  • zepherinzepherin Registered User regular
    Tycho is a perfect gentleman, hold his hair, caressing his back. Giving him sweet encouragements.

    Tucking him in, reading him a bedtime story. Going in for a kiss. But it is forbidden.

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  • Giancarlo MagnoGiancarlo Magno Registered User regular
    Yeah, losing a finger in each hand is really gross.

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  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    I think this is going to be one of my favorites.

    zepherin wrote: »
    Tycho is a perfect gentleman, hold his hair, caressing his back. Giving him sweet encouragements.

    Tucking him in, reading him a bedtime story. Going in for a kiss. But it is forbidden.

    He sang to him once when he was sick.

    bbullock wrote: »
    Interesting that the middle panel is a clear effort by Mr. Krahulik to copy his original style, but also is clearly discernible from it. See here for the very first comic: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/1998/11/18

    Agreed, though it's from a bit further along.

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    People gripe about Mike changing the art style, but he did it a LOT in a very short time back in the early days as well.

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  • rob0tman5rob0tman5 PC Gamer/Console Gamer CanadaRegistered User regular
    Well that was funny.

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  • Hanktheguy Hanktheguy Registered User regular
    Went back to far eh

  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    I find it extra delicious that a panel with a throwback to the old art is immediately followed by Banana Fingers.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Kagera wrote: »
    Oh god it's been almost twenty years wtf

    I'm sure they have nearly the same feeling

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  • TransluciaTranslucia Registered User regular
    edited April 21
    I always think about Gabe's art and how long it took to get good whenever he's shitting all over people's games in the First 15s :)

    I like his art though. And the First 15s. And all the shit.

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  • TransluciaTranslucia Registered User regular
    edited April 21
    Also, I wonder if he would have ever gotten this good if Tycho wouldn't had been there to "never make value judgments" and "like everything," find all the good and all that, etc

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  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Chang wrote: »
    Hey thanks, I'm glad you thought so.

    You can earn some bonus points for complaining about 'satanic influence'.

  • TransluciaTranslucia Registered User regular
    I thought it was "Eldritch" influence. Like, the Old Ones... Or maybe that wasn't a complaint. We're having fun.

  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    Translucia wrote: »
    I always think about Gabe's art and how long it took to get good whenever he's shitting all over people's games in the First 15s :)

    Mikes repeated the statement that he doesn't in any way blame the person who makes the games, he blames Sony for letting them onto a console before they are a "complete package" in his eyes. That's not to justify it, just to round out the image you're giving.

    It's also a recurrent theme that Mike knows that he's a weirdo and things that are important to him are just as bullshit as the things he thinks are bullshit even though other people like them. See also:
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  • TransluciaTranslucia Registered User regular
    edited April 21
    I agree and that's true, but I think he also labeled *everything* on Steam some kind horrible thing at least once. No big deal.. I think it's decent recompense that he's actually made to draw that kind of self-deprecating stuff on a regular basis. Like this last one:

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  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    Translucia wrote: »
    I agree and that's true, but I think he also labeled *everything* on Steam some kind horrible thing at least once. No big deal.. I think it's decent recompense that he's actually made to draw that kind of self-deprecating stuff on a regular basis. Like this last one:

    I think it's possible he sometimes engages in hyperbole. X)

    I try to keep the perspective that if it wasn't for his personality quirks (and god knows we each have our own unique ones), a lot of the humor that makes PA the comic that it is wouldn't be there. Gabe isn't just a wacky character made up from scratch. First 15 and DLC are just a peek behind the curtain.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Even the middle panel is too complex for the old style - too many extra lines.
    Was the "if Duke Nukem ever comes out" comic just a copy, or trace, of an original panel rather than a redraw? Because that really did look perfect.

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  • YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    Even the middle panel is too complex for the old style - too many extra lines.
    Was the "if Duke Nukem ever comes out" comic just a copy, or trace, of an original panel rather than a redraw? Because that really did look perfect.

    For reference, this is the Duke Nukem comic.
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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    And that was seven years ago, dang.
    You can see in the last panel how Mike's style has continued to, ah, change.

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  • YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    They revealed it at my first PAX. I saw the booth on Friday, but I could not conceive of a world with a release DNF, so I assumed it was some kind of museum/tribute to the game.

  • sandalwoodsandalwood Cartoonist New YorkRegistered User regular
    Hahahaha, YES!

  • ziddersroofurryziddersroofurry Registered User regular
    It's weird-I don't look back on my old art and cringe. In fact looking back makes me smile yet when it comes to my writing I hate doing that. All I see are the mistakes. Maybe it's because I tend to enjoy art more even though I do that less and write more. Both take a similar amount of effort yet I tend to have more 'fun' doing art. Writing is work. But I also get bored doing both.

    I dunno. Being creative is so confusing, Mostly I just wish I had the energy and focus to do ANYthing creative. My health ain't what it used to be and it makes it so it's rare I draw or write at all.

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  • Jakk FrostJakk Frost Registered User regular
    Is it me or does Gabe seem to have an extra finger on his right hand in the third panel?

  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    Jakk Frost wrote: »
    Is it me or does Gabe seem to have an extra finger on his right hand in the third panel?

    It's just you, because nobody else was out there counting fingers.

    Serious answer: it's just the toilet boil showing between his ring and pinky fingers.

    I'm going to just skip over the change from 5 to 4 to 5 digits.

  • YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Jakk Frost wrote: »
    Is it me or does Gabe seem to have an extra finger on his right hand in the third panel?

    I count 5 fingers (the normal number), but there is definitely color between the pinky and ring fingers, so I think it's just an art goof.
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  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    YoungFrey wrote: »
    Jakk Frost wrote: »
    Is it me or does Gabe seem to have an extra finger on his right hand in the third panel?

    I count 5 fingers (the normal number), but there is definitely color between the pinky and ring fingers, so I think it's just an art goof.
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    Huh. I had to go back to the original comic and zoom it to believe your image. For whatever reason, my brain is filling in that space with toilet boil color, when seen at normal scale. Probably the same with Mike.

  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    Wait, this WonderBoy remake is on the Switch? YES. YES I WANTED TO PLAY IT SO BAD. YES.

  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    Twenty six fucking dollars?!

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  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    Twenty six fucking dollars?!

    Does this one go with Snake Pass and Snipperclips as "some of the best games on the system that don't get to considered 'real games'"? I mean, not that I'm complaining that they're priced lower than "real games"...

  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    I don't know, it's a reskin of a game that I bought when I was five. I think that charging the same amount for it as some new indie games on Steam is a little much.

  • YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    dennis wrote: »
    YoungFrey wrote: »
    Jakk Frost wrote: »
    Is it me or does Gabe seem to have an extra finger on his right hand in the third panel?

    I count 5 fingers (the normal number), but there is definitely color between the pinky and ring fingers, so I think it's just an art goof.
    pcpzz0n302xx.png

    Huh. I had to go back to the original comic and zoom it to believe your image. For whatever reason, my brain is filling in that space with toilet boil color, when seen at normal scale. Probably the same with Mike.

    I used the Club PA high-res version. I really only use it for these "look at that weird detail" conversations.

  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    I don't know, it's a reskin of a game that I bought when I was five. I think that charging the same amount for it as some new indie games on Steam is a little much.

    I'm not really in the games dev industry, so what I'm saying may be completely off-base. But I am a programmer, so at least there's that. I'd say even if it's a "reskin", they probably wrote the code from scratch (different platforms, and all). It being a reskin might actually make that worse, since you have to have your code match that original's timing near-perfectly rather than just have it do its own thing. So you got your man-hours in that.

    Plus they had to get it working and tested on PC and a bunch of consoles. And I think they have to pay licensing fees to get on the consoles. If it has the polish of a new game, I can see $26 being a very fair price. It's not like the people developing it now got all the money from the version you paid for when you were five.

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    You're welcome to buy it for yourself then. For me, twenty six dollars is far too high for a game that only has nostalgia to offer.

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