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Getting on a Boat

tarnoktarnok Registered User regular
I made a post some time back about a trip to the Philippines. That plan got scuttled when they elected what may be the only person crazier than Trump. Now we're looking a bit closer to home and I have a crazy idea but google hasn't been much help in finding what I'm looking for.

Does anyone know of any person or organization that could take passengers by boat from somewhere on the coast of NC to the US Virgin Islands? The perfect situation to my mind would be someone with a sailboat who could take on about four novices and teach them to sail on the way there but I don't know if something like that is even feasible. I don't want to get a day out to sea and realize I've signed on with captain Redbeard Rum but I suspect anything of the sort will be some kind of small-scale operation so a testimonial from someone who has worked with them before would be nice.

So...anyone know of any businesses like this or am I going to be taking my chances with United?

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    I don't know but taking four people on a sailboat and giving them a crash course on sailing on the way to the Virgin Islands sounds like a pretty bad idea to me.

    Other airlines do go there though.

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    If such a thing exists, it's going to be many many thousands of dollars.

    It's also a bad idea.

  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Sailing is hard.

    You should not go with anyone who would agree to take you.

  • Gilbert0Gilbert0 North of SeattleRegistered User regular
    As someone with lives on the west coast and has in the past gone through sailing training/certifications, this is a really bad idea for the distance involved and your skill level (or lack there-of). A sailboat is not like a car that you "point and go" down a straight road. Being in the ocean means your road is constantly changing and you have to move with it. Plus that trip is a a LONG ways for zero training at all.

    Here's the other thing, boats can be slow when relying on the wind. That trip could take anywhere from a .....week to several weeks depending on conditions.

    What you describe does exist but usually on a much smaller/local front. Not being on the East Coast I can't help with what's there but I can highlight what exists around here to show you. My Canadian local (through a Christian charity) equivalent of this is SALTS. They own 2 tall ships (think Pirate's of the Caribbean size ship), teach youth (13-25) how to sail and do trips. But it's not one and done. You practice in the spring/fall and they do a summer trip around Vancouver Island (quick googling is ~700 nautical miles). NC -> Virgin Islands is ~1400 miles. Oh and the cost. It's $2000 for the summer trip alone.

    I've never done SALTS but know people that did and loved it but it took time; the ocean is a bad place to mess around on with no experience.

  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    I'm thinking your best bet would be to make the sailing thing something you do when you get to the islands as a day trip as a tourist on a ship used to tourists. If you decide you do in fact enjoy sailing, when your vacation/trip is over and you're back home find a club and learn from people who are used to teaching.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Commissioning something like this absolutely exists. You are looking for about a 1-2 month commitment during which you will be paying for use of the ship, supplies, and full pay for likely 2-3 crewmen.

    These sorts of excursions tend to cost $50k-$400k* per voyage at the end of the day, assuming you aren't doing it with a big company like Gilbert is talking about. The small ships tend to charge a full year's salary for the crewmen. Given that you aren't going a huge distance, you ~might~ be able to swing it with only $25k and only then during a wonky season (like september or march - sometime when business is quiet due to hurricanes and other seasonal stuff).

    $2k seems insanely cheap unless thats per person.

    *depending on quality and size of the yacht.

    Enc on
  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Hi! Lifelong sailor here, with very limited bluewater experience.

    Not to pile on too much, but what you're proposing is really, really dangerous. Like, close-to-shore sailing at night is pretty dangerous and I wouldn't recommend you do that for your first trips, and you want to go out and do this in the middle of the Atlantic?

    Yeah - basically:
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Sailing is hard.

    You should not go with anyone who would agree to take you.

    On the other hand, sailing is an absolute blast, and I highly recommend anyone with the inclination learn how to do it! There are sailing schools all over, and they'll teach you through a combination of ground classes and on-the-water training.

  • tarnoktarnok Registered User regular
    I am disappointed but not particularly surprised by your responses. It is relatively easy to rent a boat for use around the islands. Do you think that an inexperienced crew could be coached through trips of maybe thirty miles at most?

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  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    tarnok wrote: »
    I am disappointed but not particularly surprised by your responses. It is relatively easy to rent a boat for use around the islands. Do you think that an inexperienced crew could be coached through trips of maybe thirty miles at most?
    They have sailing instruction and sailboat rentals at the outerbanks, where you can get private instruction for a few hours, it's about 100 bucks an hour. Probably cheaper in the off season more expensive during peak.

    Outerbanks is pretty sweet anyways. I looked at some of the tours they offer, and now I want to go.

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  • Gilbert0Gilbert0 North of SeattleRegistered User regular
    tarnok wrote: »
    I am disappointed but not particularly surprised by your responses. It is relatively easy to rent a boat for use around the islands. Do you think that an inexperienced crew could be coached through trips of maybe thirty miles at most?

    Never been there but I would assume there would be a dozen (or more) companies do exactly that. Once your actually there, you should have TONS of options.

  • SimpsoniaSimpsonia Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    What you're looking for is something like Flotilla Sailing excursions (mostly in the Caribbean and Mediterranean). Basically there's a small flotilla of about 6-12 sailboats that follow the lead crew's boat from port to port over the course of a week or two. You supply all food and consumables, they provide the boats and expertise. Many of these are oriented towards beginners and novices, and the first day would essentially be a sailing crash course, or they might just put someone on your boat for the duration if you elect to. If you have zero experience, they'll likely make you go with a hired skipper, but I know some basically turn the excursion into part vacation, part crash sailing course enough to get you certified. Gettting certified will allow you to do bareboat charters in the future (you rent the boat for x time, and go where you will).

    The only Caribbean flotilla company that I'm aware of is SunSail, otherwise you'd have to go to the Med.
    http://www.sunsail.com/sailing-schools/zero-hero

    Edit: the obvious disclaimer is that this shit is really GD expensive.

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  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    Local universities/colleges likely have sailing clubs/teams that will provide lessons and equipment for less than a commercial operation might, especially if you're associated with the institution in some way.

    That could be a good way to get your feet wet, so to speak. Also literally, because they'll make you do a capsize drill.

  • Anon the FelonAnon the Felon In bat country.Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    It would be very wise to go to your local sailing club on regatta day, and try to crew on some boats. There are always seats available.

    Sailing is not unskilled labor.

    A guy who comes in to the shop all the time (I work in the sailing industry), just tried to single hand to Hawaii on a 31ft tri. He does a blue water race every year on that boat, and sails a few hundred miles each year during our season. I would call him quite experienced.

    He was turned back after just 300nm. Shredded his main, snapped his tiller, and broke a rib.

    Sailing can be the most meditative moment you experience. It can also be the most deadly.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    It would be very wise to go to your local sailing club on regatta day, and try to crew on some boats. There are always seats available.

    Sailing is not unskilled labor.

    A guy who comes in to the shop all the time (I work in the sailing industry), just tried to single hand to Hawaii on a 31ft tri. He does a blue water race every year on that boat, and sails a few hundred miles each year during our season. I would call him quite experienced.

    He was turned back after just 300nm. Shredded his main, snapped his tiller, and broke a rib.

    Sailing can be the most meditative moment you experience. It can also be the most deadly.

    You're standing astride the ocean making demands of the sky. There are definitely some variables.

    Tarnok: I think the best shot you've got of sailing from NC to the carribean (without hiring an entire bluewater ship and crew) is hitching a ride on one of the tall ships that do tours when they head down there for the season.

    (Example not endorsement: http://www.libertyfleetwindjammers.com )

    You might need to know someone, but I wouldn't be surprised if a few of these companies sold a few seats for the ride down. Could be worth some phone calls if making that trip over water is something you really want to do.

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Tarnok, please let us (specifically, me!) know if you manage to find a good solution here. I know a few people who would probably be interested in such a trip some day.

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  • tarnoktarnok Registered User regular
    Tarnok, please let us (specifically, me!) know if you manage to find a good solution here. I know a few people who would probably be interested in such a trip some day.

    As our plans have developed it's looking less likely. The time we're looking at seems to be the worst time of year to sail from the east coast to the VI. I'm still looking into sailing lessons and possibly sailing from St. Croix to St. Thomas (only about forty miles) but as the Mrs. is less enthusiastic than I am and we'll probably have to make reservations before we can start the lessons that's looking less likely as well. Perhaps on a future trip.

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