Also I lucked out and got research to give conventional weapons +1 dmg, cannons +1 dmg, and Templar auto-pistols +1 dmg. It's proving very helpful, so much so that I may try to skip magnetic weapons or just get them very late.
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Arrrgh I got Plasma Weapons just before the Assassin Stronghold assault...
and I've got no supplies and the Black Market got shut down!
Oh well, I put it off too long anyway. For those who've already done it, are the stronghold assaults basically fight through the Shadow Chamber spotted enemies + whoever the Chosen warps in, or are there reinforcements included in the level? I think I'm kitted out to survive this but I'm so annoyed I didn't just do it a week or two back since I'm still using Mag weapons regardless.
Arrrgh I got Plasma Weapons just before the Assassin Stronghold assault...
and I've got no supplies and the Black Market got shut down!
Oh well, I put it off too long anyway. For those who've already done it, are the stronghold assaults basically fight through the Shadow Chamber spotted enemies + whoever the Chosen warps in, or are there reinforcements included in the level? I think I'm kitted out to survive this but I'm so annoyed I didn't just do it a week or two back since I'm still using Mag weapons regardless.
Spoilers for chosen strongholds
They're two-parters, and the mission brief explicitly states that this is a now-or-never job; they won't be able to attack the stronghold again if things go tits up.
The first part has you attempting to find the teleporter to the Chosen's inner sanctum. It's usually got a bunch of ADVENT roaming around.
Once you're in the second map you will have the Chosen, their floating sarcophagus thing, and whatever enemies they teleport in.
The main challenge is doing enough damage to the sarcophagus after you've killed the Chosen, while also fending off the extra aliens that spawn in. After a couple of turns the Chosen will have healed and comes back onto the field, unless you destroy the sarcophagus.
Once the sarcophagus is broken, the Chosen will reappear with whatever health they have from regenerating (if you break it when they've only healed 20% for instance, that's how much HP they'll have when they reappear). Down them once again to complete the level - you do not need to eliminate the remaining enemies.
I just lost 200 supplies because I got neutralize all enemies with a Horde sitrep on a guerrilla mission FIX YOUR GAME
Crappy outcome, but I think that just means to kill all the enemies that the map started with, so it should be possible.
So the ones you see arriving in their own cutscenes after the mission starts don't count.
I've had supply raids where it ended with half the crates still untagged because I'd 'secured the area', even with Lost still standing around.
Has anyone had Advent enemies spawn on upper levels of buildings?
I've taken to sneaking my way to evac points via the top floors, and it seems to be working pretty well so far. New hordes don't see me and so don't activate, and existing ones are at least funnelled to one or two access points, which makes them easy enough to take out.
Arrrgh I got Plasma Weapons just before the Assassin Stronghold assault...
and I've got no supplies and the Black Market got shut down!
Oh well, I put it off too long anyway. For those who've already done it, are the stronghold assaults basically fight through the Shadow Chamber spotted enemies + whoever the Chosen warps in, or are there reinforcements included in the level? I think I'm kitted out to survive this but I'm so annoyed I didn't just do it a week or two back since I'm still using Mag weapons regardless.
Spoilers for chosen strongholds
They're two-parters, and the mission brief explicitly states that this is a now-or-never job; they won't be able to attack the stronghold again if things go tits up.
The first part has you attempting to find the teleporter to the Chosen's inner sanctum. It's usually got a bunch of ADVENT roaming around.
Once you're in the second map you will have the Chosen, their floating sarcophagus thing, and whatever enemies they teleport in.
The main challenge is doing enough damage to the sarcophagus after you've killed the Chosen, while also fending off the extra aliens that spawn in. After a couple of turns the Chosen will have healed and comes back onto the field, unless you destroy the sarcophagus.
Once the sarcophagus is broken, the Chosen will reappear with whatever health they have from regenerating (if you break it when they've only healed 20% for instance, that's how much HP they'll have when they reappear). Down them once again to complete the level - you do not need to eliminate the remaining enemies.
Blargh I'm still nervous but thanks for the info.
Also! This is like the first time I've been this nervous mid-game. Normally I'd just be waiting for good Guerrilla Ops and building end-tier weapons, the fact that the Chosen Assassin got to 100% Knowledge and I now have to do a real hell of a mission is pretty great.
I'm figuring that my Reaper with Banish will basically be a 100% killshot on the Chosen to start the fight, since the Assassin in my game is weak to Reapers. Then everyone else should be free to unload on the sarcophagus.
I've also got 3 charges of freeze between grenades and the Serpent suit and 4 charges of healing plus a lot of people with multi-shot skills, so I'm hopeful. Mostly what I worry about is the fight leading up to them draining resources, or finding out that thanks to my dithering they're going to be calling in Sectopods.
Dragunova continues being super useful in objective missions. I just had an "avenger was downed by UFO" thing. I just sent her alone while everyone else defended the platform (and my snipers took advantage of the sight she gave to murderize the shit out of pods), she laid two claymores at the relay, blew it up, and hotfooted out of there. She never even took a shot.
Question: is there any way to get the Reapers some goddamn pockets?
Tactical Rigging. It is a randomized skill, I think. You can run them through retraining at the Training Center if you don't start with access to it.
Does that work? I tried it with a Grenadier but I got the same XCOM skills.
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Man...hmm...the whole tired system and having more research/development really makes the game feel longer in an unintrusive way.
Like not only does it feel like it took me longer to get to plasma but I'm just now getting my first Major.
Also I'm guessing the timer was rebalanced for all the extra content as it felt like it took a few extra months before higher tiers enemies started showing.
I actually don't mind it as in the original game it did feel like you went straight from Magnetic to Plasma with barely any breathing room.
Haha I had completely forgotten that XCOM2 went conventional -> mag -> plasma, I kept thinking I had hopped over lasers I'm a genius.
Alright that makes me feel a bit better, I don't have end-tier weapons, but I'm also in August so that's not the worst. Plus I'm going to have +1 to all Shotgun damage soon.
Tactical Rigging only works if the current armor doesn't already have a utility slot.
Yeah but that not an issue for Reapers, who don't get item slots at all without Tactical Rigging.
Personally I just wish that MECs got an ammo-only slot.
The Metal Over Flesh mod enables that. It also adds a bunch of other stuff for MECs that is (arguably) appropriately powerful for the price.
Good to know; I've had bad experiences with mods and won't be using it myself, but I'll tell anyone else who asks.
SPARKS are better in the expansion, especially with the addition of weapon mods, but they still need to be able to use ammo and carry unconscious humanoids.
There is a lot of room to grow from WotC, which is crazy, given how big it is, but I bet people would pay good money for the Brute and a fourth faction hero.
Got tired of the Chosens interrupting my missions and their constant blah blah blah.
So I spent almost all of my resources finding their hideouts and killed them all. Didn't care that I was only 1 tick away from losing current game. Worth shutting them up so I can enjoy rest of my games.
TIL it's possible for the sectoid panic attack to cause your soldier to throw a grenade at the nearest ally, which of course means he gets crit and dies. "I'm not mad, just disappointed," I said over the radio as I ordered her summary execution.
Man, that's some hot bullshit. The first op you get, for your first engineer, had a reinforcement pod with two lancers and a priest drop in. Hello, new game.
I'm playing Commander Ironman and I, uh, messed up not having the tier 2 armor in June. I accidentally sold too many trooper corpses and faaaaaaaack
I just straight up got stalled with only 5 trooper corpses forever. I actually ended up getting the tier 3 armor straight from tier 1. It was frustrating for a while there. (I'm not sure what month I'm in right now.)
Man, that's some hot bullshit. The first op you get, for your first engineer, had a reinforcement pod with two lancers and a priest drop in. Hello, new game.
This seems like a bug, it should be 2 troopers and an officer at most.
Man, that's some hot bullshit. The first op you get, for your first engineer, had a reinforcement pod with two lancers and a priest drop in. Hello, new game.
This seems like a bug, it should be 2 troopers and an officer at most.
Yeah. I occasionally see a Lancer in the first month, but never two in a single pod.
It's Rangers now I see. So long grenadiers, I'm running double ranger squads now because blademaster is actually good and run and gun 100% accurate shotguns are the only reliable method of putting heavy damage on Chosen, at least before high level snipers I guess. Also Lost missions are basically breezed through with rangers.
I actually started a new game I was so sick of that bullshit hunter fucking every mission up. Now I have one that doesn't have a pointless weakness but does automatically break my concealment and is immune to melee. But he couldn't deal with my crit shotguns or my double shot, zero-in skirmisher.
Speaking of sharpshooters. Bye!
Seriously though, no place for them anymore for a few months at least. Sq. Sharpshooters are SO BAD compared to every other class and while normally I bring one anyway to train up, there's just no place for that shit when I have 3 hero units to use instead. The new mission types also seem to promote mobility, as most base XCOM 2 missions do, so again not being able to move and shoot is a completely crippling downside that is not at all compensated for by 2 extra damage and an extra 10% hit chance.
My new tactic is to pick my best Will'ed SS and send them on every covert op that has an Aim bonus or free promotion. Now I have, I think, a rank 4 SS with at least +12 aim. I'll probably never deploy her until she reaches captain but by then she will probably never have a shot less than 80% on anything.
Also training up a ranger with all the +hp and mobility bonuses so he can become part of my late game S rank team.
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It's Rangers now I see. So long grenadiers, I'm running double ranger squads now because blademaster is actually good and run and gun 100% accurate shotguns are the only reliable method of putting heavy damage on Chosen, at least before high level snipers I guess. Also Lost missions are basically breezed through with rangers.
I actually started a new game I was so sick of that bullshit hunter fucking every mission up. Now I have one that doesn't have a pointless weakness but does automatically break my concealment and is immune to melee. But he couldn't deal with my crit shotguns or my double shot, zero-in skirmisher.
Speaking of sharpshooters. Bye!
Seriously though, no place for them anymore for a few months at least. Sq. Sharpshooters are SO BAD compared to every other class and while normally I bring one anyway to train up, there's just no place for that shit when I have 3 hero units to use instead. The new mission types also seem to promote mobility, as most base XCOM 2 missions do, so again not being able to move and shoot is a completely crippling downside that is not at all compensated for by 2 extra damage and an extra 10% hit chance.
My new tactic is to pick my best Will'ed SS and send them on every covert op that has an Aim bonus or free promotion. Now I have, I think, a rank 4 SS with at least +12 aim. I'll probably never deploy her until she reaches captain but by then she will probably never have a shot less than 80% on anything.
Also training up a ranger with all the +hp and mobility bonuses so he can become part of my late game S rank team.
Coincidentally, the sniper rifle you get from Hunter actually allows Sharpshooters to move and then shoot with it. Also, I would check out pistol Sharpshooters as well. Fan Fire and Face Off are really good abilities and Lightning Hands allows them to get off a bunch of attacks each round.
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Training Centre. Train abilities, at the bottom I believe.
Or use http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1124609091 and save yourself a lot of interface clicking.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
hero units can add extra abilities without the training center though!
Also I lucked out and got research to give conventional weapons +1 dmg, cannons +1 dmg, and Templar auto-pistols +1 dmg. It's proving very helpful, so much so that I may try to skip magnetic weapons or just get them very late.
and I've got no supplies and the Black Market got shut down!
Oh well, I put it off too long anyway. For those who've already done it, are the stronghold assaults basically fight through the Shadow Chamber spotted enemies + whoever the Chosen warps in, or are there reinforcements included in the level? I think I'm kitted out to survive this but I'm so annoyed I didn't just do it a week or two back since I'm still using Mag weapons regardless.
Spoilers for chosen strongholds
The first part has you attempting to find the teleporter to the Chosen's inner sanctum. It's usually got a bunch of ADVENT roaming around.
Once you're in the second map you will have the Chosen, their floating sarcophagus thing, and whatever enemies they teleport in.
The main challenge is doing enough damage to the sarcophagus after you've killed the Chosen, while also fending off the extra aliens that spawn in. After a couple of turns the Chosen will have healed and comes back onto the field, unless you destroy the sarcophagus.
Once the sarcophagus is broken, the Chosen will reappear with whatever health they have from regenerating (if you break it when they've only healed 20% for instance, that's how much HP they'll have when they reappear). Down them once again to complete the level - you do not need to eliminate the remaining enemies.
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Tactical Rigging. It is a randomized skill, I think. You can run them through retraining at the Training Center if you don't start with access to it.
...why does this lose you 200 supplies? Can't you just kill all the Lost?
So the ones you see arriving in their own cutscenes after the mission starts don't count.
I've had supply raids where it ended with half the crates still untagged because I'd 'secured the area', even with Lost still standing around.
Has anyone had Advent enemies spawn on upper levels of buildings?
I've taken to sneaking my way to evac points via the top floors, and it seems to be working pretty well so far. New hordes don't see me and so don't activate, and existing ones are at least funnelled to one or two access points, which makes them easy enough to take out.
Yeah, on ops requiring all hostiles to be killed, you can in fact eliminate all Lost to finish the mission.
Blargh I'm still nervous but thanks for the info.
Also! This is like the first time I've been this nervous mid-game. Normally I'd just be waiting for good Guerrilla Ops and building end-tier weapons, the fact that the Chosen Assassin got to 100% Knowledge and I now have to do a real hell of a mission is pretty great.
I've also got 3 charges of freeze between grenades and the Serpent suit and 4 charges of healing plus a lot of people with multi-shot skills, so I'm hopeful. Mostly what I worry about is the fight leading up to them draining resources, or finding out that thanks to my dithering they're going to be calling in Sectopods.
Does that work? I tried it with a Grenadier but I got the same XCOM skills.
Like not only does it feel like it took me longer to get to plasma but I'm just now getting my first Major.
Also I'm guessing the timer was rebalanced for all the extra content as it felt like it took a few extra months before higher tiers enemies started showing.
I actually don't mind it as in the original game it did feel like you went straight from Magnetic to Plasma with barely any breathing room.
I honestly don't know. Someone here was saying that it worked.
Yeah but that not an issue for Reapers, who don't get item slots at all without Tactical Rigging.
Personally I just wish that MECs got an ammo-only slot.
Alright that makes me feel a bit better, I don't have end-tier weapons, but I'm also in August so that's not the worst. Plus I'm going to have +1 to all Shotgun damage soon.
The Metal Over Flesh mod enables that. It also adds a bunch of other stuff for MECs that is (arguably) appropriately powerful for the price.
Good to know; I've had bad experiences with mods and won't be using it myself, but I'll tell anyone else who asks.
SPARKS are better in the expansion, especially with the addition of weapon mods, but they still need to be able to use ammo and carry unconscious humanoids.
There is a lot of room to grow from WotC, which is crazy, given how big it is, but I bet people would pay good money for the Brute and a fourth faction hero.
So I spent almost all of my resources finding their hideouts and killed them all. Didn't care that I was only 1 tick away from losing current game. Worth shutting them up so I can enjoy rest of my games.
So long as there are no enemies on the map you're fine. So once you kill the original packs of lost you win as soon as the Horde dies
I just straight up got stalled with only 5 trooper corpses forever. I actually ended up getting the tier 3 armor straight from tier 1. It was frustrating for a while there. (I'm not sure what month I'm in right now.)
All of my units are heroes.
Except Steve. Guy wouldn't spot me for an ADVENT Burger.
This seems like a bug, it should be 2 troopers and an officer at most.
Yeah. I occasionally see a Lancer in the first month, but never two in a single pod.
The game usually spawns 1-2 more full spawns after you kill the remaining regular enemies.
It's Rangers now I see. So long grenadiers, I'm running double ranger squads now because blademaster is actually good and run and gun 100% accurate shotguns are the only reliable method of putting heavy damage on Chosen, at least before high level snipers I guess. Also Lost missions are basically breezed through with rangers.
I actually started a new game I was so sick of that bullshit hunter fucking every mission up. Now I have one that doesn't have a pointless weakness but does automatically break my concealment and is immune to melee. But he couldn't deal with my crit shotguns or my double shot, zero-in skirmisher.
Speaking of sharpshooters. Bye!
Seriously though, no place for them anymore for a few months at least. Sq. Sharpshooters are SO BAD compared to every other class and while normally I bring one anyway to train up, there's just no place for that shit when I have 3 hero units to use instead. The new mission types also seem to promote mobility, as most base XCOM 2 missions do, so again not being able to move and shoot is a completely crippling downside that is not at all compensated for by 2 extra damage and an extra 10% hit chance.
My new tactic is to pick my best Will'ed SS and send them on every covert op that has an Aim bonus or free promotion. Now I have, I think, a rank 4 SS with at least +12 aim. I'll probably never deploy her until she reaches captain but by then she will probably never have a shot less than 80% on anything.
Also training up a ranger with all the +hp and mobility bonuses so he can become part of my late game S rank team.
Coincidentally, the sniper rifle you get from Hunter actually allows Sharpshooters to move and then shoot with it. Also, I would check out pistol Sharpshooters as well. Fan Fire and Face Off are really good abilities and Lightning Hands allows them to get off a bunch of attacks each round.
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