How is cheating anti-feminist? It's still majority shitty, but I'm not grasping the correlation.
Because according to her he thought less of the women he was doing it with "They were needy". Also gaslighting your wife for years about the cheating. Not exactly pro feminist moves.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
How is cheating anti-feminist? It's still majority shitty, but I'm not grasping the correlation.
Because according to her he thought less of the women he was doing it with "They were needy". Also gaslighting your wife for years about the cheating. Not exactly pro feminist moves.
Neither of those has any intersecting points with feminism. Or if we're going to keep conflating lying and gaslighting (my pet peeve of the year), what term should we use for the reverse of this situation?
How is cheating anti-feminist? It's still majority shitty, but I'm not grasping the correlation.
Because according to her he thought less of the women he was doing it with "They were needy". Also gaslighting your wife for years about the cheating. Not exactly pro feminist moves.
Neither of those has any intersecting points with feminism. Or if we're going to keep conflating lying and gaslighting (my pet peeve of the year), what term should we use for the reverse of this situation?
Blaming his cheating on "beautiful, needy, aggressive young women" and, as his wife puts it, "taking away [her] right to make choices for [her] life and [her] body based on the truth." isn't anti-feminist?
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Nothing in that article has a damn thing to do with feminism directly and the former Mrs. Whedon needs to grow the fuck up.
It's just a petty airing of personal shit aimed at hurting and discrediting someone who already has plenty of legitimate problematic issues wth their work. To couch any of that under an affront to feminism not only is wrong, but actually more exposing of patriarchal biases on the part of Ms. Cole.
"My man cheated and lied to me about it," means that there were expectations involved and sex-positive conversations that one or both parties were either unwilling to make or had already agreed upon a decidedly unfeminist arrangement.
I say this as someone with no great love for Mr. Whedon, I think we can all agree he has many debatable flaws as well as merits, and I certainly don't cotton to the notion he's been a great feminist ally, but all I see here is someone who has been hurt trying to hurt someone back.
Is the implication that a monogamous relationship is an unfeminist/not sex positive relationship? I'm not really clear on that part of your post Atomika.
How is cheating anti-feminist? It's still majority shitty, but I'm not grasping the correlation.
Because according to her he thought less of the women he was doing it with "They were needy". Also gaslighting your wife for years about the cheating. Not exactly pro feminist moves.
Neither of those has any intersecting points with feminism. Or if we're going to keep conflating lying and gaslighting (my pet peeve of the year), what term should we use for the reverse of this situation?
Blaming his cheating on "beautiful, needy, aggressive young women" and, as his wife puts it, "taking away [her] right to make choices for [her] life and [her] body based on the truth." isn't anti-feminist?
No. I can maybe get on board with the first part, but the second one is a massive stretch. She was robbed of informed choices, but that's literally every cheated on spouse. Joss is a schmuck and deserves to get sandbagged, but I don't think this gets him an honorary NO MA'AM membership card.
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I think the idea is that Whedon wanted to screw around with other women, and the feminist way to do that is to talk to your wife first, but maybe she's so bound up in the notion of traditional patriarchal monogamy that that wasn't an option?
I too have a hard time seeing how cheating in a relationship is somehow not feminist. If you reverse the genders does that association even come up? This isn't a story, it's just word association.
Anyway, people should care less about what famous people do in their private lives. Whedon's marriage status has no bearing on the quality or feminism or lack thereof of his work.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
Is the implication that a monogamous relationship is an unfeminist/not sex positive relationship? I'm not really clear on that part of your post Atomika.
It certainly seems here like one party was far more beholden to a traditional patriarchal relationship dynamic than the others.
Monogamy can definitely be sex-positive and pro-feminist, but monogamy requires mutual consent and a lack of coercion. I don't think that happened here, but only they know for sure.
I think the idea is that Whedon wanted to screw around with other women, and the feminist way to do that is to talk to your wife first, but maybe she's so bound up in the notion of traditional patriarchal monogamy that that wasn't an option?
I too have a hard time seeing how cheating in a relationship is somehow not feminist. If you reverse the genders does that association even come up? This isn't a story, it's just word association.
Anyway, people should care less about what famous people do in their private lives. Whedon's marriage status has no bearing on the quality or feminism or lack thereof of his work.
Seriously. Saw this posted yesterday, expected something relevant. Just found an ex-wife mad that her husband cheated on her. Doesn't have anything to do with his work or whether you think his work was feminist or not.
How is cheating anti-feminist? It's still majority shitty, but I'm not grasping the correlation.
Because according to her he thought less of the women he was doing it with "They were needy". Also gaslighting your wife for years about the cheating. Not exactly pro feminist moves.
Neither of those has any intersecting points with feminism. Or if we're going to keep conflating lying and gaslighting (my pet peeve of the year), what term should we use for the reverse of this situation?
Blaming his cheating on "beautiful, needy, aggressive young women" and, as his wife puts it, "taking away [her] right to make choices for [her] life and [her] body based on the truth." isn't anti-feminist?
No. I can maybe get on board with the first part, but the second one is a massive stretch. She was robbed of informed choices, but that's literally every cheated on spouse. Joss is a schmuck and deserves to get sandbagged, but I don't think this gets him an honorary NO MA'AM membership card.
"X happens to everyone so it's not racist/sexist/whatever" is the oldest way of failing to recognize discrimination in the book. This is the same reason people think affirmative action is racist: they think that if you just treat everyone equally, everything will work out fine. But you can't treat everyone equally if the starting point is discriminatory. Just because this sort of thing happens to everyone who is cheated doesn't mean that it's not a feminist issue when it happens to women.
Moreover, even if it did mean it's not a feminist issue just when it happens to women, it's still a feminist issue, because an important part of feminism is fighting for the right of everyone to make choices for their own body.
I can't say that I have much knowledge of what falls into the parameters of feminism, but my outsider view is that it's reliant on respecting women, and cheating on one and abusing your trust/position with others to service your penis is probably not feminist, but it's still a banner he has used to his own benefit and to further his career, so it would be hypocritical.
Either way this is the dumbest discussion to have in a movie thread made dumber by the fact that this isn't about a movie.
Technically he falls under the thread's purview. He's been a movie director for years, and before that he was a movie screen writer/ script doctor (Toy Story, Wonder Woman, Alien franchise, X-men, A Cabin in the Woods etc).
So last night was officially the last night of my summer vacation and I decided to watch The Nice Guys as a way to end it on a high note. I had never really read a review of it beyond hearing that it was great so I went in blind.
Unsurprisingly as most of the thread learned when it was in theater it was a pretty good movie. The three leads(and I count the daughter character as a lead) had great chemistry and the story was interesting. I also learned that I can't tell the difference between Matt Boomer and Henry Cavil. I was convinced that I was watching Cavil when I was watching Boomer in a wig.
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The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
So controversial comment time but after watching it again today, I have found Disney's Moana to be a finely precision crafted animation of the most cookie cutter dull variety.
So last night was officially the last night of my summer vacation and I decided to watch The Nice Guys as a way to end it on a high note. I had never really read a review of it beyond hearing that it was great so I went in blind.
Unsurprisingly as most of the thread learned when it was in theater it was a pretty good movie. The three leads(and I count the daughter character as a lead) had great chemistry and the story was interesting. I also learned that I can't tell the difference between Matt Boomer and Henry Cavil. I was convinced that I was watching Cavil when I was watching Boomer in a wig.
Thinking back on it, Nice Guys was Shane Black's most cynical film and right before the 2016 election, so maybe he knew something.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
So last night was officially the last night of my summer vacation and I decided to watch The Nice Guys as a way to end it on a high note. I had never really read a review of it beyond hearing that it was great so I went in blind.
Unsurprisingly as most of the thread learned when it was in theater it was a pretty good movie. The three leads(and I count the daughter character as a lead) had great chemistry and the story was interesting. I also learned that I can't tell the difference between Matt Boomer and Henry Cavil. I was convinced that I was watching Cavil when I was watching Boomer in a wig.
Thinking back on it, Nice Guys was Shane Black's most cynical film and right before the 2016 election, so maybe he knew something.
I took that to be the setting, LA in 1977.
Anybody with even a rudimentary knowledge of history knows that the yuppie 80s are around the corner and that greed is good mantra was going to prevail. Even the porn part of the plot was going to run into HIV and AIDS. The fact that the Nice guys manage to punish those directly responsible was a win, even if they didn't manage the big fish.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
So last night was officially the last night of my summer vacation and I decided to watch The Nice Guys as a way to end it on a high note. I had never really read a review of it beyond hearing that it was great so I went in blind.
Unsurprisingly as most of the thread learned when it was in theater it was a pretty good movie. The three leads(and I count the daughter character as a lead) had great chemistry and the story was interesting. I also learned that I can't tell the difference between Matt Boomer and Henry Cavil. I was convinced that I was watching Cavil when I was watching Boomer in a wig.
Thinking back on it, Nice Guys was Shane Black's most cynical film and right before the 2016 election, so maybe he knew something.
I took that to be the setting, LA in 1977.
Anybody with even a rudimentary knowledge of history knows that the yuppie 80s are around the corner and that greed is good mantra was going to prevail. Even the porn part of the plot was going to run into HIV and AIDS. The fact that the Nice guys manage to punish those directly responsible was a win, even if they didn't manage the big fish.
Well on top of that Russel Crowe's clearly recovering alcoholic is drinking by the end of the movie. So on top of the events personally his character gave up on clean living.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
So controversial comment time but after watching it again today, I have found Disney's Moana to be a finely precision crafted animation of the most cookie cutter dull variety.
So controversial comment time but after watching it again today, I have found Disney's Moana to be a finely precision crafted animation of the most cookie cutter dull variety.
Yeah it was just kind of like alright
I think the really sad thing is that this is the first of these modern Disney films that felt like it had been churned out to meet a deadline. The story was so barebones in comparison to not only earlier Disney films but other modern Disney efforts.
It's funny, I really enjoyed Nice Guys while i was watching it, but I can remember almost nothing about it. His other films made far more of an impression on me.
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Moana was very cookie cutter, I agree. However, the context of the hero being a female pacific islander and the gorgeousness of it all elevate it above it's base foundation. IMO, of course.
So controversial comment time but after watching it again today, I have found Disney's Moana to be a finely precision crafted animation of the most cookie cutter dull variety.
Yeah it was just kind of like alright
I think the really sad thing is that this is the first of these modern Disney films that felt like it had been churned out to meet a deadline. The story was so barebones in comparison to not only earlier Disney films but other modern Disney efforts.
I don't get what's bare bones about it exactly? It's a compact story that has good pacing and doesn't waste time.
The problem with Moana is that the audience is used to plot standstill during songs in Disney movies, and since the inverse is true here - not much happens outside of each song, which is where the action is - our expectations of a Disney musical kind of paint it with a bland brush
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
The problem with Moana is that the audience is used to plot standstill during songs in Disney movies, and since the inverse is true here - not much happens outside of each song, which is where the action is - our expectations of a Disney musical kind of paint it with a bland brush
Stuff happens during songs, but usually like a decision is made or an emotional state is gotten into or gotten out of.
Examples: Aladdin and Jasmine fall in love during A Whole New World. Simba agrees to stay with Timon and Pumba during Hakuna Matata (and also grows into adulthood). Mulan masters martial training during I'll Make a Man out of You. Buzz realizes he is in fact, a toy during I Will Go Sailing No More.
I watched Chris Marker's La Jetée yesterday. It's intriguing in its use of
(almost)
only still images and develops a strange pull, but at the same time I wish I'd seen it before 12 Monkeys, because having watched that movie half a dozen times, I found it difficult to watch its inspiration without constantly thinking, "Ah yes, that's where Gilliam and Peoples & Peoples got *that* bit from."
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
So controversial comment time but after watching it again today, I have found Disney's Moana to be a finely precision crafted animation of the most cookie cutter dull variety.
Yeah it was just kind of like alright
I think the really sad thing is that this is the first of these modern Disney films that felt like it had been churned out to meet a deadline. The story was so barebones in comparison to not only earlier Disney films but other modern Disney efforts.
I don't get what's bare bones about it exactly? It's a compact story that has good pacing and doesn't waste time.
Well, I agree with a lot of people its beautiful to look at, the context of the main female character being body positive and getting as close to matching the cultural history is great. However, thats all it had really.
When you look at the potential story wise for the legend of Maui which there are many fantastic tales, the potential to really push the films narrative into bold new directions could have served as fore point of this new age Disney, not just about progressive context.
Instead we got the most basic version of the heroes journey story, beat for beat it followed both Frozen and Tangled far too close too. Disney's current obsession with showtunes also feels so generic now.
Both Frozen and Tangled had subplots that broke up the main journey but didn't take away from the pacing that was missing in this for some reason, which is why I think this film was rushed out.
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According to the ex wife he repeatedly cheated on.
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Because according to her he thought less of the women he was doing it with "They were needy". Also gaslighting your wife for years about the cheating. Not exactly pro feminist moves.
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*sigh* While I'm remaining a fan, this is a big disappointment. This is why you never meet your heroes, they'll break your heart.
The DCEU can't catch a break lol
Neither of those has any intersecting points with feminism. Or if we're going to keep conflating lying and gaslighting (my pet peeve of the year), what term should we use for the reverse of this situation?
It's just a petty airing of personal shit aimed at hurting and discrediting someone who already has plenty of legitimate problematic issues wth their work. To couch any of that under an affront to feminism not only is wrong, but actually more exposing of patriarchal biases on the part of Ms. Cole.
"My man cheated and lied to me about it," means that there were expectations involved and sex-positive conversations that one or both parties were either unwilling to make or had already agreed upon a decidedly unfeminist arrangement.
I say this as someone with no great love for Mr. Whedon, I think we can all agree he has many debatable flaws as well as merits, and I certainly don't cotton to the notion he's been a great feminist ally, but all I see here is someone who has been hurt trying to hurt someone back.
No. I can maybe get on board with the first part, but the second one is a massive stretch. She was robbed of informed choices, but that's literally every cheated on spouse. Joss is a schmuck and deserves to get sandbagged, but I don't think this gets him an honorary NO MA'AM membership card.
I too have a hard time seeing how cheating in a relationship is somehow not feminist. If you reverse the genders does that association even come up? This isn't a story, it's just word association.
Anyway, people should care less about what famous people do in their private lives. Whedon's marriage status has no bearing on the quality or feminism or lack thereof of his work.
It certainly seems here like one party was far more beholden to a traditional patriarchal relationship dynamic than the others.
Monogamy can definitely be sex-positive and pro-feminist, but monogamy requires mutual consent and a lack of coercion. I don't think that happened here, but only they know for sure.
Seriously. Saw this posted yesterday, expected something relevant. Just found an ex-wife mad that her husband cheated on her. Doesn't have anything to do with his work or whether you think his work was feminist or not.
Eh.
Maybe report it next time, then.
Moreover, even if it did mean it's not a feminist issue just when it happens to women, it's still a feminist issue, because an important part of feminism is fighting for the right of everyone to make choices for their own body.
I don't see why cheating is a feminist issue. Not everything that involves women is a feminist issue.
It's also just a dick thing to do.
Technically he falls under the thread's purview. He's been a movie director for years, and before that he was a movie screen writer/ script doctor (Toy Story, Wonder Woman, Alien franchise, X-men, A Cabin in the Woods etc).
Unsurprisingly as most of the thread learned when it was in theater it was a pretty good movie. The three leads(and I count the daughter character as a lead) had great chemistry and the story was interesting. I also learned that I can't tell the difference between Matt Boomer and Henry Cavil. I was convinced that I was watching Cavil when I was watching Boomer in a wig.
Thinking back on it, Nice Guys was Shane Black's most cynical film and right before the 2016 election, so maybe he knew something.
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I took that to be the setting, LA in 1977.
Anybody with even a rudimentary knowledge of history knows that the yuppie 80s are around the corner and that greed is good mantra was going to prevail. Even the porn part of the plot was going to run into HIV and AIDS. The fact that the Nice guys manage to punish those directly responsible was a win, even if they didn't manage the big fish.
Well on top of that Russel Crowe's clearly recovering alcoholic is drinking by the end of the movie. So on top of the events personally his character gave up on clean living.
pleasepaypreacher.net
Yeah it was just kind of like alright
I think the really sad thing is that this is the first of these modern Disney films that felt like it had been churned out to meet a deadline. The story was so barebones in comparison to not only earlier Disney films but other modern Disney efforts.
I don't get what's bare bones about it exactly? It's a compact story that has good pacing and doesn't waste time.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Stuff happens during songs, but usually like a decision is made or an emotional state is gotten into or gotten out of.
Examples: Aladdin and Jasmine fall in love during A Whole New World. Simba agrees to stay with Timon and Pumba during Hakuna Matata (and also grows into adulthood). Mulan masters martial training during I'll Make a Man out of You. Buzz realizes he is in fact, a toy during I Will Go Sailing No More.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Well, I agree with a lot of people its beautiful to look at, the context of the main female character being body positive and getting as close to matching the cultural history is great. However, thats all it had really.
When you look at the potential story wise for the legend of Maui which there are many fantastic tales, the potential to really push the films narrative into bold new directions could have served as fore point of this new age Disney, not just about progressive context.
Instead we got the most basic version of the heroes journey story, beat for beat it followed both Frozen and Tangled far too close too. Disney's current obsession with showtunes also feels so generic now.
Both Frozen and Tangled had subplots that broke up the main journey but didn't take away from the pacing that was missing in this for some reason, which is why I think this film was rushed out.
Would have liked to watch the scene they had to cut.
Uh... Sure thing, Ridley.