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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
edited August 2017
I forget if I learned this from Dinosaur Comics (aka Qwantz) or XKCD, admittedly neither is exactly what one would call an authoritative source, but the "were" in "werewolf" comes from the fact that originally "man" was gender neutral (basically just a short form of "human") and when you wanted to refer specifically to a guy you said "wereman". "Woman" comes from "wifman" (which also shares a root with the word "wife"). So "were" basically just means "guy", or "man" in it's modern usage. Female lycanthropes ("wolf humans") should probably be referred to as "wifwolves" or "shewolves" or some-such term.
Anyway, "werewolf" basically means "manwolf", and thus other werecreatures are things that involve a male human turning into something else. Note the order of the construction; the first part is the natural state of the thing, and the second is what it turns into.
Canursine is pleasing to the ear, and being ungendered Latin serves as an analogue to lycanthrope (where the order is reversed from the werecreature construction). Though Canines would include coyotes, dingoes, dogs, & jackals (not just wolves).
I'm trying to figure out under what circumstances a bear would want to turn into a wolf. Unless there were a pack of them. Five wolves is probably better than five bears.
Of course, I also can't think of a whole lot of situations where a human who can wield weapons would want to turn into a wolf...
I'm trying to figure out under what circumstances a bear would want to turn into a wolf.
Coping with food scarcity?
Also efficient travel. Bears are fast, and can be fast for a good distance 300 yards or so, but generally only travel 5-10 miles in a day, whereas wolf packs are known to travel 25-30 miles in a day.
This drove me crazy in 2008 when Sonic Unleashed came out and everyone kept calling him a "werehog". That implies he's half-human/half-hedgehog... or maybe even just human and hog. Hedgewolf would've made a lot more sense.
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This drove me crazy in 2008 when Sonic Unleashed came out and everyone kept calling him a "werehog". That implies he's half-human/half-hedgehog... or maybe even just human and hog. Hedgewolf would've made a lot more sense.
But isn't sonic's default state a werehedgehog as a anthropomorphized hedgehog. So wouldn't it be more accurate to say he is a Werehedgehogwolf
This drove me crazy in 2008 when Sonic Unleashed came out and everyone kept calling him a "werehog". That implies he's half-human/half-hedgehog... or maybe even just human and hog. Hedgewolf would've made a lot more sense.
if a werewolf is a man that turns into a wolf, then a bear that turns into a wolf would be a bearwolf. and a wolf that turns into a bear would be a wolfbear..
technically (as I am being told on Twitter) it should be “lupursine.” I was trying to come up with something that sucked really bad, though, and being profoundly incorrect is certainly one way to suck.
Going by the etymology of "werewolf," I'd just use "bearwolf." Unless there's a specific word for male bears, so I could continue the sexist trend set up by "werewolf."
Given that the "were" in werewolf is from Old English, I'd suggest we should use the Old English for bear. According to Wikipedia (and why would they lie), it's "bera". So the equivalent term would be a berawolf.
Alternatively, the same article says the Ancient Greek term for bear is arktos. Since the anthrope part of lycanthrope means person, I suppose we could call them a lycarktos.
Yes, I know I'm overthinking this but that's part of the fun.
Old school D&D was absolutely rife with monsters that were just two things smooshed together.
In fairness, so was pre-existing mythology.
They at least went to the trouble of giving them fancy names instead of calling them lionbatscorpion.
*this is where someone corrects me and says that manticore is just an ancient Greek portmanteau of those 3 words.
manticore (n.)
fabulous monster with the body of a lion, head of a man, porcupine quills, and tail or sting of a scorpion, c. 1300, from Latin manticora, from Greek mantikhoras, corruption of martikhoras, perhaps from Iranian compound *mar-tiya-khvara "man-eater." The first element is represented by Old Persian maritya- "man," from PIE *mar-t-yo-, from *mer- "to die," thus "mortal, human;" from PIE root *mer- "to rub away, harm" (also "to die" and forming words referring to death and to beings subject to death). The second element is represented by Old Persian kvar- "to eat," from PIE root *swel- (1) "to eat, drink" (see swallow (v.)).
Now I want to look up more of those ancient monsters. I imagine a parade of names that when translated would be "ohhellno", "fuckthatshit", "sweetjesus", and "youvegottabekiddingme".
Old school D&D was absolutely rife with monsters that were just two things smooshed together.
In fairness, so was pre-existing mythology.
They at least went to the trouble of giving them fancy names instead of calling them lionbatscorpion.
*this is where someone corrects me and says that manticore is just an ancient Greek portmanteau of those 3 words.
manticore (n.)
fabulous monster with the body of a lion, head of a man, porcupine quills, and tail or sting of a scorpion, c. 1300, from Latin manticora, from Greek mantikhoras, corruption of martikhoras, perhaps from Iranian compound *mar-tiya-khvara "man-eater." The first element is represented by Old Persian maritya- "man," from PIE *mar-t-yo-, from *mer- "to die," thus "mortal, human;" from PIE root *mer- "to rub away, harm" (also "to die" and forming words referring to death and to beings subject to death). The second element is represented by Old Persian kvar- "to eat," from PIE root *swel- (1) "to eat, drink" (see swallow (v.)).
Now I want to look up more of those ancient monsters. I imagine a parade of names that when translated would be "ohhellno", "fuckthatshit", "sweetjesus", and "youvegottabekiddingme".
I've heard the theory that griffins are based on triceratops fossils.
The way I figure it, most of those wacky D&D monsters would have at least three names:
a formal scientific/sage name, something that only shows up in dusty tomes, usually in Latin italics or their equivalent in the setting ("Psuedoarborealus croceus");
the fancy-schmancy name that the same over-educated scholars use to show off their huge vocabulary in the local "Common" language ("Gygax's lesser ochre snaretree");
and what everyone who actually has to fight or run from the damn things (i.e., peasants and/or adventurers) calls 'em ("yella fake tree fuckers").
How this story happened:
Josh McIllwain interviewed me at Gen Con about the Apocrypha Adventure Card Game, which Tycho contributed to. He played a game which had a high school football team made up of werebears (and another that, sadly, wasn't). When Josh wrote this Polygon article, he accidentally wrote werewolves. Which led to this correction: Correction: An earlier version of this article misstated the lycanthropic condition of the teenagers in Candlepoint. The teenagers in question were werebears, not werewolves. Polygon regrets the error.
Which is the best correction associated with one of my games since Betrayal at House on the Hill's Underground Lake was moved from the upper floor to the basement.
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Anyway, "werewolf" basically means "manwolf", and thus other werecreatures are things that involve a male human turning into something else. Note the order of the construction; the first part is the natural state of the thing, and the second is what it turns into.
Canursine is pleasing to the ear, and being ungendered Latin serves as an analogue to lycanthrope (where the order is reversed from the werecreature construction). Though Canines would include coyotes, dingoes, dogs, & jackals (not just wolves).
Werursus?
Huh. I guess a Bear Pig would just be Ursus, which is no different to just being a bear...
How about Porcurswer instead?
...I have questions
I'm trying to figure out under what circumstances a bear would want to turn into a wolf. Unless there were a pack of them. Five wolves is probably better than five bears.
Of course, I also can't think of a whole lot of situations where a human who can wield weapons would want to turn into a wolf...
Old school D&D was absolutely rife with monsters that were just two things smooshed together.
Coping with food scarcity?
So, like, a journeyman wolf?
Werecanporc ?
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I logged in to say the same thing. Awasos is awesome.
Alternatively, the same article says the Ancient Greek term for bear is arktos. Since the anthrope part of lycanthrope means person, I suppose we could call them a lycarktos.
Yes, I know I'm overthinking this but that's part of the fun.
They at least went to the trouble of giving them fancy names instead of calling them lionbatscorpion.
*this is where someone corrects me and says that manticore is just an ancient Greek portmanteau of those 3 words.
Now I want to look up more of those ancient monsters. I imagine a parade of names that when translated would be "ohhellno", "fuckthatshit", "sweetjesus", and "youvegottabekiddingme".
I've heard the theory that griffins are based on triceratops fossils.
a formal scientific/sage name, something that only shows up in dusty tomes, usually in Latin italics or their equivalent in the setting ("Psuedoarborealus croceus");
the fancy-schmancy name that the same over-educated scholars use to show off their huge vocabulary in the local "Common" language ("Gygax's lesser ochre snaretree");
and what everyone who actually has to fight or run from the damn things (i.e., peasants and/or adventurers) calls 'em ("yella fake tree fuckers").
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Josh McIllwain interviewed me at Gen Con about the Apocrypha Adventure Card Game, which Tycho contributed to. He played a game which had a high school football team made up of werebears (and another that, sadly, wasn't). When Josh wrote this Polygon article, he accidentally wrote werewolves. Which led to this correction:
Correction: An earlier version of this article misstated the lycanthropic condition of the teenagers in Candlepoint. The teenagers in question were werebears, not werewolves. Polygon regrets the error.
Which is the best correction associated with one of my games since Betrayal at House on the Hill's Underground Lake was moved from the upper floor to the basement.