my friends keep getting me to try and watch this season of Rick and Morty and I keep on going along with it so as not to be a douchecanoe and ruin anyone's enthusiasm, but good lord every new episode of this third season just keeps reminding me that the whole thing is peak edgelord. last night's episode involved
cannibalizing horribly mutated incest/rape babies
as a major plot point and just... god I want to tell Justin Roiland he's a goose to his face
my friends keep getting me to try and watch this season of Rick and Morty and I keep on going along with it so as not to be a douchecanoe and ruin anyone's enthusiasm, but good lord every new episode of this third season just keeps reminding me that the whole thing is peak edgelord. last night's episode involved
cannibalizing horribly mutated incest/rape babies
as a major plot point and just... god I want to tell Justin Roiland he's a goose to his face
i've been thinking of starting to watch rick and morty and... uhhhhhh now i think i won't
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Bloods EndBlade of TyshallePunch dimensionRegistered Userregular
God you're such plebs
If you understood quantum physics like me you'd get why rick and morty is the best show
Excuse me I'm going to go complain about female tv show writers now
I avoid the part of the internet that comprises that section of the fandom but last night there was definitely a moment where Rick goes on a nihilist tangent and I said out loud 'oh god that's gonna the new Fight Club speech for faux anarchist 17 year olds isn't it'
I hope another season of Rick & Morty actually confronts that kind of shit, because it seems like it's hit a breaking point where now Dan Harmon is speaking out against part of their fanbase
They can't just keep indulging it the same way
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
I hit my breaking point on Rick and Morty working a con this weekend. All of the in-character Joker cosplayers are now Ricks.
And it has totally ruined a show I quite enjoyed for me.
I avoid the part of the internet that comprises that section of the fandom but last night there was definitely a moment where Rick goes on a nihilist tangent and I said out loud 'oh god that's gonna the new Fight Club speech for faux anarchist 17 year olds isn't it'
As someone who likes Rick & Morty, that speech was about as much like that as the show gets. It was pretty Fight Club though. But you know, Rick isn't right, necessarily, in the fiction of the show. He's fucked up and broken.
I thought that fandom was all about positivity and good stuff?
eh, a few fans got on some fanartists' cases for drawing characters in ways that they saw as out of line - usually curvier characters as skinny
it was only a few dozen people, but the entire rest of the internet (including tumblr) took the vivid case and ran with it as a baseline for the entire SU fandom, sorta like Homestuck and similar incidences
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I avoid the part of the internet that comprises that section of the fandom but last night there was definitely a moment where Rick goes on a nihilist tangent and I said out loud 'oh god that's gonna the new Fight Club speech for faux anarchist 17 year olds isn't it'
If Rick really bought fully into the brand of absurdist nihilism then he wouldn't care at all about Morty or any member or his family. But he does. Time and time again. That speech was him being a chickenshit and trying to avoid admitting that he actually cares about Beth and that she matters to him. Rick might keep saying "infinite universes, infinite daughters" but he frequently makes choices that reveal how much he actually cares. He wants to believe in the Absurd Nihilism of the universe, but he can't.
I think that's been a big running theme of season 3. How important human connections are, even when you try to pretend like they aren't. Pickle Rick had its big speech about that that I feel was way more important to Rick and Marty than anything Rick has said in the past few episodes.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool
Johnny ChopsockyScootaloo! We have to cook!Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered Userregular
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People who idolize Rick are nothing new. Wasn't too long ago those exact same jackasses worshipped Walter White. Before that was Vic Mackey. Before that was Tony Soprano.
see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool
What was that movie about how much neo-Nazis suck that has since had its images co-opted by Neo-Nazis?
see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool
The problem with a lot of that media is they try to have their cake and eat it too. The underlying message is supposed to be about how bad these things are but they invariably make the the things themselves look cool. Those messages would be a lot less muddy if they made the bad stuff look as ugly as it truly is. But that wouldn't sell as well.
I finished American Vandal this weekend and really enjoyed it.
I love a pitch perfect parody and this nails it while gently dovetailing into a pretty damn good teen drama thing. There's some solid-ass emotional stuff towards the end.
see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool
The problem with a lot of that media is they try to have their cake and eat it too. The underlying message is supposed to be about how bad these things are but they invariably make the the things themselves look cool. Those messages would be a lot less muddy if they made the bad stuff look as ugly as it truly is. But that wouldn't sell as well.
I agree to an extent, but eg trainspotting went out of its way to show the ugly side of a lot of shit and you still got people idolizing Renton and begby. Basically as soon as you make a character relatable, or interesting, or successful (within certain parameters), people will find ways to make that character a hero. And while you can mitigate this to an extent, I'm not sure there's a way to produce engaging media that eliminates the problem, because people are shitheads.
I think the main thing is to make sure you're not producing media primarily for the shitheads. After that it's out of your hands.
see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool
What was that movie about how much neo-Nazis suck that has since had its images co-opted by Neo-Nazis?
see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool
The problem with a lot of that media is they try to have their cake and eat it too. The underlying message is supposed to be about how bad these things are but they invariably make the the things themselves look cool. Those messages would be a lot less muddy if they made the bad stuff look as ugly as it truly is. But that wouldn't sell as well.
I agree to an extent, but eg trainspotting went out of its way to show the ugly side of a lot of shit and you still got people idolizing Renton and begby. Basically as soon as you make a character relatable, or interesting, or successful (within certain parameters), people will find ways to make that character a hero. And while you can mitigate this to an extent, I'm not sure there's a way to produce engaging media that eliminates the problem, because people are shitheads.
I think the main thing is to make sure you're not producing media primarily for the shitheads. After that it's out of your hands.
Oh sure and I didn't mean to imply the fault lies entirely with the production. It's mostly that Fight Club and Watchmen specifically are two of the more egregious examples of making their negative-example characters seem cool and right.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool
What was that movie about how much neo-Nazis suck that has since had its images co-opted by Neo-Nazis?
American History X?
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Fight club did a pretty appalling job of demonstrating negative consequences for violent nihilistic manchild uprisings. Maybe if we'd seen Edward Norton get his head ignominiously stomped on by a hungry mother of twelve in an ensuing riot.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
One thing that might confuse some people is that Dan Harmon is also a nihilist. Except he's not the same brand as Rick. Multiple times in the behind the episode stuff when Harmon talks about the content, he says that yeah, while the universe might be big and scary and nothing you do may matter in the big scheme of things, this makes it so that everything you do matters. The connections you make matter because that's the only thing that you have control of. And that brand of counter-nihilism is pretty much at the center of the show.
One of Rick's biggest problems is that he can solve problems on such a large scale that he routinely fucks up his relationships. The things that actually matter. Take the Vindicator episode, for example. Rick keeps having this macro idea of everything and keeps fucking things up with Morty, and in the end it messes up Rick so bad that he gets blackout drunk and nearly kills everyone (and drives the Vindicators insane).
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool
The problem with a lot of that media is they try to have their cake and eat it too. The underlying message is supposed to be about how bad these things are but they invariably make the the things themselves look cool. Those messages would be a lot less muddy if they made the bad stuff look as ugly as it truly is. But that wouldn't sell as well.
I agree to an extent, but eg trainspotting went out of its way to show the ugly side of a lot of shit and you still got people idolizing Renton and begby. Basically as soon as you make a character relatable, or interesting, or successful (within certain parameters), people will find ways to make that character a hero. And while you can mitigate this to an extent, I'm not sure there's a way to produce engaging media that eliminates the problem, because people are shitheads.
I think the main thing is to make sure you're not producing media primarily for the shitheads. After that it's out of your hands.
Oh sure and I didn't mean to imply the fault lies entirely with the production. It's mostly that Fight Club and Watchmen specifically are two of the more egregious examples of making their negative-example characters seem cool and right.
I think Breaking Bad balanced on that tightrope pretty well for most of its run, but fell down with the finale. Spoilering for thoughts on the ending:
I do think they tried to make it a more nuanced redemption arc - Walter had to admit that everything he'd thought and done was wrong, and that he was really only rectifying situations that were entirely his fault. But the framing, the treatment of his old business partners, the whole 'one last heist' set-up and payoff, etc, gave him a totally undeserved heroic status. To me it really undercut a lot of the more interesting aspects of the show.
now I'm wondering what is going on in the universe where Breaking Bad ended up being five seasons' worth of the dark comedy of errors that the first couple episodes had going on
now I'm wondering what is going on in the universe where Breaking Bad ended up being five seasons' worth of the dark comedy of errors that the first couple episodes had going on
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That show was fucking nuts.
oh shit i never even heard of this omggggggggggggggg
i've been thinking of starting to watch rick and morty and... uhhhhhh now i think i won't
If you understood quantum physics like me you'd get why rick and morty is the best show
Excuse me I'm going to go complain about female tv show writers now
They can't just keep indulging it the same way
And it has totally ruined a show I quite enjoyed for me.
Gonna have to wait till like 2020
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I'm not going to let jackasses ruin something for me.
everything else is the show's own fault, 100%
I wonder if any were just Doc Brown cosplayers confused at the sudden rise in their costumes popularity
Yeah fuck them. Steven Universe had a similar thing happen with toxic fans but I won't let them ruin a show I like.
I don't know though. I was banging my dinner out at the time so who knows.
As someone who likes Rick & Morty, that speech was about as much like that as the show gets. It was pretty Fight Club though. But you know, Rick isn't right, necessarily, in the fiction of the show. He's fucked up and broken.
eh, SU and Homestuck's worst were tiny, but the R&M gang makes it to the top of Reddit on the reg. apples and oranges
I thought that fandom was all about positivity and good stuff?
Some fans were being positive wrong and so other fans pilloried them
eh, a few fans got on some fanartists' cases for drawing characters in ways that they saw as out of line - usually curvier characters as skinny
it was only a few dozen people, but the entire rest of the internet (including tumblr) took the vivid case and ran with it as a baseline for the entire SU fandom, sorta like Homestuck and similar incidences
If Rick really bought fully into the brand of absurdist nihilism then he wouldn't care at all about Morty or any member or his family. But he does. Time and time again. That speech was him being a chickenshit and trying to avoid admitting that he actually cares about Beth and that she matters to him. Rick might keep saying "infinite universes, infinite daughters" but he frequently makes choices that reveal how much he actually cares. He wants to believe in the Absurd Nihilism of the universe, but he can't.
I think that's been a big running theme of season 3. How important human connections are, even when you try to pretend like they aren't. Pickle Rick had its big speech about that that I feel was way more important to Rick and Marty than anything Rick has said in the past few episodes.
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What was that movie about how much neo-Nazis suck that has since had its images co-opted by Neo-Nazis?
The problem with a lot of that media is they try to have their cake and eat it too. The underlying message is supposed to be about how bad these things are but they invariably make the the things themselves look cool. Those messages would be a lot less muddy if they made the bad stuff look as ugly as it truly is. But that wouldn't sell as well.
I love a pitch perfect parody and this nails it while gently dovetailing into a pretty damn good teen drama thing. There's some solid-ass emotional stuff towards the end.
I agree to an extent, but eg trainspotting went out of its way to show the ugly side of a lot of shit and you still got people idolizing Renton and begby. Basically as soon as you make a character relatable, or interesting, or successful (within certain parameters), people will find ways to make that character a hero. And while you can mitigate this to an extent, I'm not sure there's a way to produce engaging media that eliminates the problem, because people are shitheads.
I think the main thing is to make sure you're not producing media primarily for the shitheads. After that it's out of your hands.
Captain America?
Oh sure and I didn't mean to imply the fault lies entirely with the production. It's mostly that Fight Club and Watchmen specifically are two of the more egregious examples of making their negative-example characters seem cool and right.
American History X?
One of Rick's biggest problems is that he can solve problems on such a large scale that he routinely fucks up his relationships. The things that actually matter. Take the Vindicator episode, for example. Rick keeps having this macro idea of everything and keeps fucking things up with Morty, and in the end it messes up Rick so bad that he gets blackout drunk and nearly kills everyone (and drives the Vindicators insane).
I think Breaking Bad balanced on that tightrope pretty well for most of its run, but fell down with the finale. Spoilering for thoughts on the ending:
It's a better place.