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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I do wish that Emerald City would have gotten a second season.

    That show was fucking nuts.

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    I do wish that Emerald City would have gotten a second season.

    That show was fucking nuts.

    oh shit i never even heard of this omggggggggggggggg

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    my friends keep getting me to try and watch this season of Rick and Morty and I keep on going along with it so as not to be a douchecanoe and ruin anyone's enthusiasm, but good lord every new episode of this third season just keeps reminding me that the whole thing is peak edgelord. last night's episode involved
    cannibalizing horribly mutated incest/rape babies
    as a major plot point and just... god I want to tell Justin Roiland he's a goose to his face

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited September 2017
    looking back on it the moment the show jumped the shark for me is
    when they start meeting multiple copies of themselves at the Citadel in season 2

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    my friends keep getting me to try and watch this season of Rick and Morty and I keep on going along with it so as not to be a douchecanoe and ruin anyone's enthusiasm, but good lord every new episode of this third season just keeps reminding me that the whole thing is peak edgelord. last night's episode involved
    cannibalizing horribly mutated incest/rape babies
    as a major plot point and just... god I want to tell Justin Roiland he's a goose to his face

    i've been thinking of starting to watch rick and morty and... uhhhhhh now i think i won't

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    God you're such plebs
    If you understood quantum physics like me you'd get why rick and morty is the best show
    Excuse me I'm going to go complain about female tv show writers now

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Armando Ianucci's Veep follow-up has been picked up by HBO, a sci-fi comedy set on a space ship titled Avenue 5.

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    I avoid the part of the internet that comprises that section of the fandom but last night there was definitely a moment where Rick goes on a nihilist tangent and I said out loud 'oh god that's gonna the new Fight Club speech for faux anarchist 17 year olds isn't it'

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    I hope another season of Rick & Morty actually confronts that kind of shit, because it seems like it's hit a breaking point where now Dan Harmon is speaking out against part of their fanbase

    They can't just keep indulging it the same way

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    I hit my breaking point on Rick and Morty working a con this weekend. All of the in-character Joker cosplayers are now Ricks.

    And it has totally ruined a show I quite enjoyed for me.

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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    I hope another season of Rick & Morty actually confronts that kind of shit

    Gonna have to wait till like 2020

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    I hit my breaking point on Rick and Morty working a con this weekend. All of the in-character Joker cosplayers are now Ricks.

    And it has totally ruined a show I quite enjoyed for me.

    I'm not going to let jackasses ruin something for me.

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    That interview with Harmon brought be back around on Rick and Morty after fans had soured me.

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    eh, the only things in recent memory that I got soured on via fans were the Szechuan sauce bit and pickle Rick

    everything else is the show's own fault, 100%

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    I hit my breaking point on Rick and Morty working a con this weekend. All of the in-character Joker cosplayers are now Ricks.

    And it has totally ruined a show I quite enjoyed for me.

    I wonder if any were just Doc Brown cosplayers confused at the sudden rise in their costumes popularity

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    1.21 PICKLEWATTS

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited September 2017
    Gustav wrote: »
    I hit my breaking point on Rick and Morty working a con this weekend. All of the in-character Joker cosplayers are now Ricks.

    And it has totally ruined a show I quite enjoyed for me.

    I'm not going to let jackasses ruin something for me.

    Yeah fuck them. Steven Universe had a similar thing happen with toxic fans but I won't let them ruin a show I like.

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    Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    My take away from this episode was Rick admitting he's a huge piece of shit and liking him knowing that makes you pretty horrible too.

    I don't know though. I was banging my dinner out at the time so who knows.

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    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    I avoid the part of the internet that comprises that section of the fandom but last night there was definitely a moment where Rick goes on a nihilist tangent and I said out loud 'oh god that's gonna the new Fight Club speech for faux anarchist 17 year olds isn't it'

    As someone who likes Rick & Morty, that speech was about as much like that as the show gets. It was pretty Fight Club though. But you know, Rick isn't right, necessarily, in the fiction of the show. He's fucked up and broken.

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    I hit my breaking point on Rick and Morty working a con this weekend. All of the in-character Joker cosplayers are now Ricks.

    And it has totally ruined a show I quite enjoyed for me.

    I'm not going to let jackasses ruin something for me.

    Yeah fuck them. Steven Universe had a similar thing happen with toxic fans but I won't let them ruin a show I like.

    eh, SU and Homestuck's worst were tiny, but the R&M gang makes it to the top of Reddit on the reg. apples and oranges

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    KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    What happened with Steven Universe?

    I thought that fandom was all about positivity and good stuff?

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Kyougu wrote: »
    What happened with Steven Universe?

    I thought that fandom was all about positivity and good stuff?

    Some fans were being positive wrong and so other fans pilloried them

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    Kyougu wrote: »
    What happened with Steven Universe?

    I thought that fandom was all about positivity and good stuff?

    eh, a few fans got on some fanartists' cases for drawing characters in ways that they saw as out of line - usually curvier characters as skinny

    it was only a few dozen people, but the entire rest of the internet (including tumblr) took the vivid case and ran with it as a baseline for the entire SU fandom, sorta like Homestuck and similar incidences

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    I avoid the part of the internet that comprises that section of the fandom but last night there was definitely a moment where Rick goes on a nihilist tangent and I said out loud 'oh god that's gonna the new Fight Club speech for faux anarchist 17 year olds isn't it'

    If Rick really bought fully into the brand of absurdist nihilism then he wouldn't care at all about Morty or any member or his family. But he does. Time and time again. That speech was him being a chickenshit and trying to avoid admitting that he actually cares about Beth and that she matters to him. Rick might keep saying "infinite universes, infinite daughters" but he frequently makes choices that reveal how much he actually cares. He wants to believe in the Absurd Nihilism of the universe, but he can't.

    I think that's been a big running theme of season 3. How important human connections are, even when you try to pretend like they aren't. Pickle Rick had its big speech about that that I feel was way more important to Rick and Marty than anything Rick has said in the past few episodes.

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool

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    Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2017
    People who idolize Rick are nothing new. Wasn't too long ago those exact same jackasses worshipped Walter White. Before that was Vic Mackey. Before that was Tony Soprano.

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool

    What was that movie about how much neo-Nazis suck that has since had its images co-opted by Neo-Nazis?

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool

    The problem with a lot of that media is they try to have their cake and eat it too. The underlying message is supposed to be about how bad these things are but they invariably make the the things themselves look cool. Those messages would be a lot less muddy if they made the bad stuff look as ugly as it truly is. But that wouldn't sell as well.

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    Medium DaveMedium Dave Registered User regular
    I finished American Vandal this weekend and really enjoyed it.

    I love a pitch perfect parody and this nails it while gently dovetailing into a pretty damn good teen drama thing. There's some solid-ass emotional stuff towards the end.

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2017
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool

    The problem with a lot of that media is they try to have their cake and eat it too. The underlying message is supposed to be about how bad these things are but they invariably make the the things themselves look cool. Those messages would be a lot less muddy if they made the bad stuff look as ugly as it truly is. But that wouldn't sell as well.

    I agree to an extent, but eg trainspotting went out of its way to show the ugly side of a lot of shit and you still got people idolizing Renton and begby. Basically as soon as you make a character relatable, or interesting, or successful (within certain parameters), people will find ways to make that character a hero. And while you can mitigate this to an extent, I'm not sure there's a way to produce engaging media that eliminates the problem, because people are shitheads.

    I think the main thing is to make sure you're not producing media primarily for the shitheads. After that it's out of your hands.

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool

    What was that movie about how much neo-Nazis suck that has since had its images co-opted by Neo-Nazis?

    Captain America?

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    tynic wrote: »
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool

    The problem with a lot of that media is they try to have their cake and eat it too. The underlying message is supposed to be about how bad these things are but they invariably make the the things themselves look cool. Those messages would be a lot less muddy if they made the bad stuff look as ugly as it truly is. But that wouldn't sell as well.

    I agree to an extent, but eg trainspotting went out of its way to show the ugly side of a lot of shit and you still got people idolizing Renton and begby. Basically as soon as you make a character relatable, or interesting, or successful (within certain parameters), people will find ways to make that character a hero. And while you can mitigate this to an extent, I'm not sure there's a way to produce engaging media that eliminates the problem, because people are shitheads.

    I think the main thing is to make sure you're not producing media primarily for the shitheads. After that it's out of your hands.

    Oh sure and I didn't mean to imply the fault lies entirely with the production. It's mostly that Fight Club and Watchmen specifically are two of the more egregious examples of making their negative-example characters seem cool and right.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool

    What was that movie about how much neo-Nazis suck that has since had its images co-opted by Neo-Nazis?

    American History X?

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Fight club did a pretty appalling job of demonstrating negative consequences for violent nihilistic manchild uprisings. Maybe if we'd seen Edward Norton get his head ignominiously stomped on by a hungry mother of twelve in an ensuing riot.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    One thing that might confuse some people is that Dan Harmon is also a nihilist. Except he's not the same brand as Rick. Multiple times in the behind the episode stuff when Harmon talks about the content, he says that yeah, while the universe might be big and scary and nothing you do may matter in the big scheme of things, this makes it so that everything you do matters. The connections you make matter because that's the only thing that you have control of. And that brand of counter-nihilism is pretty much at the center of the show.

    One of Rick's biggest problems is that he can solve problems on such a large scale that he routinely fucks up his relationships. The things that actually matter. Take the Vindicator episode, for example. Rick keeps having this macro idea of everything and keeps fucking things up with Morty, and in the end it messes up Rick so bad that he gets blackout drunk and nearly kills everyone (and drives the Vindicators insane).

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    tynic wrote: »
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    see also: fight club, watchmen, and every other piece of media that is inherently against dudes being those things, but has since been appropriated by dudes who think those things are cool

    The problem with a lot of that media is they try to have their cake and eat it too. The underlying message is supposed to be about how bad these things are but they invariably make the the things themselves look cool. Those messages would be a lot less muddy if they made the bad stuff look as ugly as it truly is. But that wouldn't sell as well.

    I agree to an extent, but eg trainspotting went out of its way to show the ugly side of a lot of shit and you still got people idolizing Renton and begby. Basically as soon as you make a character relatable, or interesting, or successful (within certain parameters), people will find ways to make that character a hero. And while you can mitigate this to an extent, I'm not sure there's a way to produce engaging media that eliminates the problem, because people are shitheads.

    I think the main thing is to make sure you're not producing media primarily for the shitheads. After that it's out of your hands.

    Oh sure and I didn't mean to imply the fault lies entirely with the production. It's mostly that Fight Club and Watchmen specifically are two of the more egregious examples of making their negative-example characters seem cool and right.

    I think Breaking Bad balanced on that tightrope pretty well for most of its run, but fell down with the finale. Spoilering for thoughts on the ending:
    I do think they tried to make it a more nuanced redemption arc - Walter had to admit that everything he'd thought and done was wrong, and that he was really only rectifying situations that were entirely his fault. But the framing, the treatment of his old business partners, the whole 'one last heist' set-up and payoff, etc, gave him a totally undeserved heroic status. To me it really undercut a lot of the more interesting aspects of the show.

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    now I'm wondering what is going on in the universe where Breaking Bad ended up being five seasons' worth of the dark comedy of errors that the first couple episodes had going on

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    JimothyJimothy Not in front of the fox he's with the owlRegistered User regular
    I'm doing a Crazy Ex rewatch and D'Arcy Carden just showed up! No lines, probably considered featured extra, but still cool

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    edited September 2017
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    now I'm wondering what is going on in the universe where Breaking Bad ended up being five seasons' worth of the dark comedy of errors that the first couple episodes had going on

    It's a better place.

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    Actually Breaking Bad is good

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