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"A student at the Houston-area Clements High School was arrested, sent to an "Alternative Education Center" and banned from graduation after school officials found he created a video game map of his school. School district police arrested the teen and searched his home where they confiscated a hammer as a 'potential weapon'. ' "They decided he was a terroristic threat," said one source close to the district's investigation.' With an upcoming May 12 school board election, this issue has quickly become political, with school board members involved in the appeal accusing each other of pandering to the Chinese community in an attempt to gain votes
That would be so cool if some kid slaughtered like, 20-30 people at his/her high school with a fucking hammer.
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denihilistAncient and MightyRegistered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
edited May 2007
“Ever since Columbine, anything that remotely looks like a threat has to be taken very seriously,” Simpson said. “The minute we don’t, something serious is going to happen.
“You’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t,” she added.
Man, things are going to happen whether you want them to or not. Has it ever been confirmed that any of these crazy rules actually prevented anything?
Just let people go on their ways.
I guess the thing with that is that sometimes they DO go a certain person's way, and others don't really benefit as a result? That being said, some kid wielding a hammer is the worst school killing spree idea ever.
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denihilistAncient and MightyRegistered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
The problem, as I see it, stems from the fact that they're trying to look for metrics and indicators of trends among youth populous blah blah blah.
The solution should be talking and involvement. Resurgence of community involvement and community building in schools, as opposed to sterilization and categorization.
It really isn't a "damned if you do damned if you don't" scenario if you look at it as more than an either-or situation.
I can't access the newspage, I guess the site is getting hammered. What game was he making the map for? Also, I'm assuming the hammer has to do with the VT killer. Wasn't he korean?
The problem, as I see it, stems from the fact that they're trying to look for metrics and indicators of trends among youth populous blah blah blah.
The solution should be talking and involvement. Resurgence of community involvement and community building in schools, as opposed to sterilization and categorization.
It really isn't a "damned if you do damned if you don't" scenario if you look at it as more than an either-or situation.
The only problem with that is you have to change the way parents raise their kids, and the way school society works. Kids are dicks, they just are. Parents have to make sure their kids understand this and don't kill people for it.
The only problem with that is you have to change the way parents raise their kids, and the way school society works. Kids are dicks, they just are. Parents have to make sure their kids understand this and don't kill people for it.
Well, yeah. Our entire society needs to realign it's priorities. I agree.
The problem, as I see it, stems from the fact that they're trying to look for metrics and indicators of trends among youth populous blah blah blah.
The solution should be talking and involvement. Resurgence of community involvement and community building in schools, as opposed to sterilization and categorization.
It really isn't a "damned if you do damned if you don't" scenario if you look at it as more than an either-or situation.
Yeah I agree but one takes parental/community involvement and one takes the involvement of the people that get paid to make the decisions parents and communities are too self-involved to make. You do the math.
The real problem is that even communities have farmed out responsibility, they still feel like they have the right to get indignant when the shit hits the fan. Bureaucracy in action!
The only problem with that is you have to change the way parents raise their kids, and the way school society works. Kids are dicks, they just are. Parents have to make sure their kids understand this and don't kill people for it.
Well, yeah. Our entire society needs to realign it's priorities. I agree.
Then... uh... carry on. What I don't get is why these school boards never bother to work on the way kids interact with each other in school. They always seem to push it off on the home and society at large. Sure, the majority of these kids came from bad home environments and didn't fit into society too well, but the school should at least take some of the blame and might find it useful to look into how the kids were treated for an answer.
I will say that the one school I went to where everyone got along (probably because they knew each other since 1st grade, 66 people total in the class) was in Canada. Take that for what you will.
Yeah I agree but one takes parental/community involvement and one takes the involvement of the people that get paid to make the decisions parents and communities are too self-involved to make. You do the math.
The real problem is that even communities have farmed out responsibility, they still feel like they have the right to get indignant when the shit hits the fan. Bureaucracy in action!
See above, total sociological shift towards community involvement and placing responsibility of children on the parents and on the community alike.
This is clearly an immigration problem. If the Native Americans weren't so lenient with letting fucking filthy foreigners into this great country none of this would be happening.
This is clearly an immigration problem. If the Native Americans weren't so lenient with letting fucking filthy foreigners into this great country none of this would be happening.
Tell me about it. Fuckin' Latinos and their lives.
Then... uh... carry on. What I don't get is why these school boards never bother to work on the way kids interact with each other in school. They always seem to push it off on the home and society at large. Sure, the majority of these kids came from bad home environments and didn't fit into society too well, but the school should at least take some of the blame and might find it useful to look into how the kids were treated for an answer.
I will say that the one school I went to where everyone got along (probably because they knew each other since 1st grade, 66 people total in the class) was in Canada. Take that for what you will.
The thing is that it is the fault of parents and society at large.
The school board and administration is a product of that society, which is made up of parents.
You can't say that it's the school boards fault for trying to push the blame on society or parents. All three of those things are constructed of the same body of individuals.... the people.
Then... uh... carry on. What I don't get is why these school boards never bother to work on the way kids interact with each other in school. They always seem to push it off on the home and society at large. Sure, the majority of these kids came from bad home environments and didn't fit into society too well, but the school should at least take some of the blame and might find it useful to look into how the kids were treated for an answer.
I will say that the one school I went to where everyone got along (probably because they knew each other since 1st grade, 66 people total in the class) was in Canada. Take that for what you will.
The thing is that it is the fault of parents and society at large.
The school board and administration is a product of that society, which is made up of parents.
You can't say that it's the school boards fault for trying to push the blame on society or parents. All three of those things are constructed of the same body of individuals.... the people.
I'm not pinning the blame wholly on schools, and I agree that parents make the schools what they are. What I am saying is that instead of putting all of the blame on the kid who takes violent action, they should look at the people who the kid blames. Whether it comes down to that kid being a huge dick or just having something out for the violent kid, so be it. When you find out why a kid kills, THEN you can look at where society failed that person and take action.
I'd be surprised to see parents take voluntary action to raise their rude fuck of a kid properly, but when the school and society finally decide to punish the cause as well as the event, you might see change.
Shit, when I was in highschool we made a map of said highschool in UnrealEd. Way off scale though, the ceilings in the hall had to be 20 feet tall. Some of the hallways were so long that you could only snipe 2/3's of the way down.
We did throw in like 20 redeemer missile launcher spawns though, and since everything was so big you could pilot the missiles nearly everywhere.
We tried to make a starcraft map of the general layout too, but it didn't really work to well.
I'm not pinning the blame wholly on schools, and I agree that parents make the schools what they are. What I am saying is that instead of putting all of the blame on the kid who takes violent action, they should look at the people who the kid blames. Whether it comes down to that kid being a huge dick or just having something out for the violent kid, so be it. When you find out why a kid kills, THEN you can look at where society failed that person and take action.
I'd be surprised to see parents take voluntary action to raise their rude fuck of a kid properly, but when the school and society finally decide to punish the cause as well as the event, you might see change.
Yes and no.
I don't think that a punishment structure is really what is necessary for this sort of thing. Punishing only marginalizes and furthers the cycle of violence. It's a matter of community involvement, transparency and responsibility.
I'm not pinning the blame wholly on schools, and I agree that parents make the schools what they are. What I am saying is that instead of putting all of the blame on the kid who takes violent action, they should look at the people who the kid blames. Whether it comes down to that kid being a huge dick or just having something out for the violent kid, so be it. When you find out why a kid kills, THEN you can look at where society failed that person and take action.
I'd be surprised to see parents take voluntary action to raise their rude fuck of a kid properly, but when the school and society finally decide to punish the cause as well as the event, you might see change.
Yes and no.
I don't think that a punishment structure is really what is necessary for this sort of thing. Punishing only marginalizes and furthers the cycle of violence. It's a matter of community involvement, transparency and responsibility.
For who? If its for the kid who wants to kill others, then I would say yes, they do need the above things.
But if its the kid who provokes, I don't know that those things would help. It's a huge prejudice on my part (from personal experience), but the dick kid in high school often already has responsibility, and isn't interested in what authority has to say about his/her behavior. That being said, there are ways to take and give responsibility to someone in a way that helps them understand why a quiet kid needs his lunch money, and might be upset if the dick kid takes it every day (to make it simple).
For who? If its for the kid who wants to kill others, then I would say yes, they do need the above things.
But if its the kid who provokes, I don't know that those things would help. It's a huge prejudice on my part (from personal experience), but the dick kid in high school often already has responsibility, and isn't interested in what authority has to say about his/her behavior. That being said, there are ways to take and give responsibility to someone in a way that helps them understand why a quiet kid needs his lunch money, and might be upset if the dick kid takes it every day (to make it simple).
I don't see how you can seperate the two.
Also, you're forgetting the transparency. If parenting is a transparent activity (as it is in many impoverished and/or tribalism societies) then it is much easier for a non-parent to assist in parenting, thus fostering a sense of "pat my back/pat your back" mentality in the youth at an early age. While this won't ever end bullying (it's a part of life, pack animals and all) it will assist in reducing it's harmful effects while, at the same time, allowing us to air that laundry in an open and free way, thus allowing society and the community to take steps in order to mitigate potential harm.
Agreed, and I would be a huge fan of that. I wonder how one would bring that kind of change about, as in what are the initial steps in changing a society's norms.
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HunterChemist with a heart of AuRegistered Userregular
edited May 2007
Sure, they took his hammer, but what about bigger hammers or multiple headed hammers of mass destruction? What about stores with rows and rows of hammers simply allowing asian highschool kids easy access to potential tools of mass destruction? What about our schools giving students training to use hammers to drive dangerous sharp spikes through solid objects that used to be a living thing? Unless we fight hammers over there, we'll have to fight hammers here.
Agreed, and I would be a huge fan of that. I wonder how one would bring that kind of change about, as in what are the initial steps in changing a society's norms.
Sure, they took his hammer, but what about bigger hammers or multiple headed hammers of mass destruction? What about stores with rows and rows of hammers simply allowing asian highschool kids easy access to potential tools of mass destruction? What about our schools giving students training to use hammers to drive dangerous sharp spikes through solid objects that used to be a living thing? Unless we fight hammers over there, we'll have to fight hammers here.
Tell me about it. Chinese people hammering shit all over the place. Fuck the Chinese, think of all the immigrant Latinos who do construction. Every Latino kid must have a hammer around his/her house, just waiting to bash a gringo's head in. We have a problem here, folks.
tCallius: It would be quite the adventure, and I think it's about ripe time for a revolution.
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Just let people go on their ways.
Hammers...
EDIT: Asian kids can't even fix their beds no more... Poor little bastards.
I guess the thing with that is that sometimes they DO go a certain person's way, and others don't really benefit as a result? That being said, some kid wielding a hammer is the worst school killing spree idea ever.
The problem, as I see it, stems from the fact that they're trying to look for metrics and indicators of trends among youth populous blah blah blah.
The solution should be talking and involvement. Resurgence of community involvement and community building in schools, as opposed to sterilization and categorization.
It really isn't a "damned if you do damned if you don't" scenario if you look at it as more than an either-or situation.
The only problem with that is you have to change the way parents raise their kids, and the way school society works. Kids are dicks, they just are. Parents have to make sure their kids understand this and don't kill people for it.
He's going to terrorize his school with a hammer.
Was it like a really evil looking hammer, with like the crooked handle and like a black head, maybe like dripping blood ro some shit?
Or was it jus tlike, y'know, a hammer?
He was fixing his bed... He might have had like, some fluff? Or something?... Little tufts of cotton and shit...
Do you have any idea how fast those blades spin?
To eat food
The real problem is that even communities have farmed out responsibility, they still feel like they have the right to get indignant when the shit hits the fan. Bureaucracy in action!
Then... uh... carry on. What I don't get is why these school boards never bother to work on the way kids interact with each other in school. They always seem to push it off on the home and society at large. Sure, the majority of these kids came from bad home environments and didn't fit into society too well, but the school should at least take some of the blame and might find it useful to look into how the kids were treated for an answer.
I will say that the one school I went to where everyone got along (probably because they knew each other since 1st grade, 66 people total in the class) was in Canada. Take that for what you will.
Tell me about it. Fuckin' Latinos and their lives.
The school board and administration is a product of that society, which is made up of parents.
You can't say that it's the school boards fault for trying to push the blame on society or parents. All three of those things are constructed of the same body of individuals.... the people.
Hey, I was entrenched in Nunavut and didn't want to spread myself thin.
Guys, do you think China might retaliate?
I have a small flip open knife my girlfriend gave me to eat fruit with.
If I try to fix my bed, will they arrest me?
I don't want to go to Chinese jail, you guys.
Gay, foreign construction workers, America's real problem.
I'm not pinning the blame wholly on schools, and I agree that parents make the schools what they are. What I am saying is that instead of putting all of the blame on the kid who takes violent action, they should look at the people who the kid blames. Whether it comes down to that kid being a huge dick or just having something out for the violent kid, so be it. When you find out why a kid kills, THEN you can look at where society failed that person and take action.
I'd be surprised to see parents take voluntary action to raise their rude fuck of a kid properly, but when the school and society finally decide to punish the cause as well as the event, you might see change.
We did throw in like 20 redeemer missile launcher spawns though, and since everything was so big you could pilot the missiles nearly everywhere.
We tried to make a starcraft map of the general layout too, but it didn't really work to well.
If China attacks, it's ok. I've got several rocks outside of my house.
I don't think that a punishment structure is really what is necessary for this sort of thing. Punishing only marginalizes and furthers the cycle of violence. It's a matter of community involvement, transparency and responsibility.
For who? If its for the kid who wants to kill others, then I would say yes, they do need the above things.
But if its the kid who provokes, I don't know that those things would help. It's a huge prejudice on my part (from personal experience), but the dick kid in high school often already has responsibility, and isn't interested in what authority has to say about his/her behavior. That being said, there are ways to take and give responsibility to someone in a way that helps them understand why a quiet kid needs his lunch money, and might be upset if the dick kid takes it every day (to make it simple).
Also, you're forgetting the transparency. If parenting is a transparent activity (as it is in many impoverished and/or tribalism societies) then it is much easier for a non-parent to assist in parenting, thus fostering a sense of "pat my back/pat your back" mentality in the youth at an early age. While this won't ever end bullying (it's a part of life, pack animals and all) it will assist in reducing it's harmful effects while, at the same time, allowing us to air that laundry in an open and free way, thus allowing society and the community to take steps in order to mitigate potential harm.
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Yeah, let's do that one.
Tell me about it. Chinese people hammering shit all over the place. Fuck the Chinese, think of all the immigrant Latinos who do construction. Every Latino kid must have a hammer around his/her house, just waiting to bash a gringo's head in. We have a problem here, folks.
tCallius: It would be quite the adventure, and I think it's about ripe time for a revolution.