Yeah I find it pretty difficult to get worked up over PEDs at this point
I would find it easier to get upset if testing wasn't years behind steroids, and the people who get caught are always that rare exemption thus making taking them more profitable than not.
It's like cycling, its easier to cheat and hope to not get caught, then to play clean and continue to lose to cheaters.
The idea that all but a few of our professional athletes use performance enhancing substances at some point is kinda farcical.
Yeah I find it pretty difficult to get worked up over PEDs at this point
I would find it easier to get upset if testing wasn't years behind steroids, and the people who get caught are always that rare exemption thus making taking them more profitable than not.
It's like cycling, its easier to cheat and hope to not get caught, then to play clean and continue to lose to cheaters.
The idea that all but a few of our professional athletes use performance enhancing substances at some point is kinda farcical.
Are you saying that its only a few bad actors? Because I just don't trust that. I don't trust "pure athleticism" hell even athletes of old took steroids or their equivalents.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Yeah I find it pretty difficult to get worked up over PEDs at this point
I would find it easier to get upset if testing wasn't years behind steroids, and the people who get caught are always that rare exemption thus making taking them more profitable than not.
It's like cycling, its easier to cheat and hope to not get caught, then to play clean and continue to lose to cheaters.
The idea that all but a few of our professional athletes use performance enhancing substances at some point is kinda farcical.
Are you saying that its only a few bad actors? Because I just don't trust that. I don't trust "pure athleticism" hell even athletes of old took steroids or their equivalents.
No the exact opposite. They all do some bullshit to be that good.
Yeah I find it pretty difficult to get worked up over PEDs at this point
I would find it easier to get upset if testing wasn't years behind steroids, and the people who get caught are always that rare exemption thus making taking them more profitable than not.
It's like cycling, its easier to cheat and hope to not get caught, then to play clean and continue to lose to cheaters.
The idea that all but a few of our professional athletes use performance enhancing substances at some point is kinda farcical.
Are you saying that its only a few bad actors? Because I just don't trust that. I don't trust "pure athleticism" hell even athletes of old took steroids or their equivalents.
No the exact opposite. They all do some bullshit to be that good.
Ok yeah I was confused someone as cynical as you believing pro athletes just didn't synch.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Yeah I find it pretty difficult to get worked up over PEDs at this point
I would find it easier to get upset if testing wasn't years behind steroids, and the people who get caught are always that rare exemption thus making taking them more profitable than not.
It's like cycling, its easier to cheat and hope to not get caught, then to play clean and continue to lose to cheaters.
The idea that all but a few of our professional athletes use performance enhancing substances at some point is kinda farcical.
Are you saying that its only a few bad actors? Because I just don't trust that. I don't trust "pure athleticism" hell even athletes of old took steroids or their equivalents.
I don't know man. Maybe for some of the bigger positions, but I just turned 33, weigh 178lbs at 5'7 and I ran a 4.5 40 back in January. Now, sure, maybe I hold up way better than a whole lot of others. But I'm also not getting paid millions of dollars to freaking stay in shape like these guys are. Like, it's utterly possible to compete at that level without resorting to drugs, for the skill positions at least. I have no idea about say, an OLB that is expected to weight 60 lbs more and be just as fast.
Yeah I find it pretty difficult to get worked up over PEDs at this point
I would find it easier to get upset if testing wasn't years behind steroids, and the people who get caught are always that rare exemption thus making taking them more profitable than not.
It's like cycling, its easier to cheat and hope to not get caught, then to play clean and continue to lose to cheaters.
The idea that all but a few of our professional athletes use performance enhancing substances at some point is kinda farcical.
Are you saying that its only a few bad actors? Because I just don't trust that. I don't trust "pure athleticism" hell even athletes of old took steroids or their equivalents.
I don't know man. Maybe for some of the bigger positions, but I just turned 33, weigh 178lbs at 5'7 and I ran a 4.5 40 back in January. Now, sure, maybe I hold up way better than a whole lot of others. But I'm also not getting paid millions of dollars to freaking stay in shape like these guys are. Like, it's utterly possible to compete at that level without resorting to drugs, for the skill positions at least. I have no idea about say, an OLB that is expected to weight 60 lbs more and be just as fast.
But Edelman? Nah, no fucking need.
Do thou run 4.5 40s for like an hour straight while being hit by 300lbs freight trains?
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Yeah I find it pretty difficult to get worked up over PEDs at this point
I would find it easier to get upset if testing wasn't years behind steroids, and the people who get caught are always that rare exemption thus making taking them more profitable than not.
It's like cycling, its easier to cheat and hope to not get caught, then to play clean and continue to lose to cheaters.
The idea that all but a few of our professional athletes use performance enhancing substances at some point is kinda farcical.
Are you saying that its only a few bad actors? Because I just don't trust that. I don't trust "pure athleticism" hell even athletes of old took steroids or their equivalents.
I don't know man. Maybe for some of the bigger positions, but I just turned 33, weigh 178lbs at 5'7 and I ran a 4.5 40 back in January. Now, sure, maybe I hold up way better than a whole lot of others. But I'm also not getting paid millions of dollars to freaking stay in shape like these guys are. Like, it's utterly possible to compete at that level without resorting to drugs, for the skill positions at least. I have no idea about say, an OLB that is expected to weight 60 lbs more and be just as fast.
But Edelman? Nah, no fucking need.
remember, edelman is 32 years old and trying to recover from a torn ACL at a skill position, specifically slot receiver, one that requires sharp cuts and quickness
i can totally see him getting popped for HGH or something similar trying to heal fully
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I thought it was OK to be on steroids and such recovering from an injury as part of a procedure prescribed by the dr. Peyton did for example while recovering am I correct? Or has something changed ?
I just don't see why we're given Edelman the benefit of the doubt besides he's a patriot.
In the NFL it goes:
Opioids = not just ok, but dangerously pushed by training staff
Medically used steroids/HGH/supplements = bad
Legal/Medical weed = lol fuck off you junkie
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I thought it was OK to be on steroids and such recovering from an injury as part of a procedure prescribed by the dr. Peyton did for example while recovering am I correct? Or has something changed ?
I just don't see why we're given Edelman the benefit of the doubt besides he's a patriot.
no, peyton's WIFE was doing the HGH, remember
it was a very believable story
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Yeah I find it pretty difficult to get worked up over PEDs at this point
I would find it easier to get upset if testing wasn't years behind steroids, and the people who get caught are always that rare exemption thus making taking them more profitable than not.
It's like cycling, its easier to cheat and hope to not get caught, then to play clean and continue to lose to cheaters.
The idea that all but a few of our professional athletes use performance enhancing substances at some point is kinda farcical.
Are you saying that its only a few bad actors? Because I just don't trust that. I don't trust "pure athleticism" hell even athletes of old took steroids or their equivalents.
I don't know man. Maybe for some of the bigger positions, but I just turned 33, weigh 178lbs at 5'7 and I ran a 4.5 40 back in January. Now, sure, maybe I hold up way better than a whole lot of others. But I'm also not getting paid millions of dollars to freaking stay in shape like these guys are. Like, it's utterly possible to compete at that level without resorting to drugs, for the skill positions at least. I have no idea about say, an OLB that is expected to weight 60 lbs more and be just as fast.
But Edelman? Nah, no fucking need.
Do thou run 4.5 40s for like an hour straight while being hit by 300lbs freight trains?
I'm going to go play tonight from 6 til 9 with a lot less of a break than the NFL guys get since we play both ways the full time with only a few water breaks between games. Granted, we don't have full on tackling, but we block downfield and jam at the lines, and it's not like collisions don't happen on crossing routes. But again, I'm not even getting paid to do this, and I can keep that level of physicality up.
I'm quite sure I'm not that special of a snowflake and for millions of dollars the NFL should be able to find roughly 1600 people in a nation of 300 million that could perform at an acceptable level without needing PED's if they really, really wanted to. Now whether they do or not, who the fuck knows, but I don't think that just because someone is doing those things means they are on drugs. If anything I'm really disappointed in Edelman that he needs PED's just to hit that level of performance.
Jesus I got winded and almost passed out just reading about that activity
Real answer- when everyone is a pro, a 1% edge can make you a star. Cryo, cupping, diet, film study, routines, James Harrison spending like $1 million a year on his body to keep going, etc
It’s an arms race
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Yeah I find it pretty difficult to get worked up over PEDs at this point
I would find it easier to get upset if testing wasn't years behind steroids, and the people who get caught are always that rare exemption thus making taking them more profitable than not.
It's like cycling, its easier to cheat and hope to not get caught, then to play clean and continue to lose to cheaters.
The idea that all but a few of our professional athletes use performance enhancing substances at some point is kinda farcical.
Are you saying that its only a few bad actors? Because I just don't trust that. I don't trust "pure athleticism" hell even athletes of old took steroids or their equivalents.
I don't know man. Maybe for some of the bigger positions, but I just turned 33, weigh 178lbs at 5'7 and I ran a 4.5 40 back in January. Now, sure, maybe I hold up way better than a whole lot of others. But I'm also not getting paid millions of dollars to freaking stay in shape like these guys are. Like, it's utterly possible to compete at that level without resorting to drugs, for the skill positions at least. I have no idea about say, an OLB that is expected to weight 60 lbs more and be just as fast.
But Edelman? Nah, no fucking need.
Do thou run 4.5 40s for like an hour straight while being hit by 300lbs freight trains?
I'm going to go play tonight from 6 til 9 with a lot less of a break than the NFL guys get since we play both ways the full time with only a few water breaks between games. Granted, we don't have full on tackling, but we block downfield and jam at the lines, and it's not like collisions don't happen on crossing routes. But again, I'm not even getting paid to do this, and I can keep that level of physicality up.
I'm quite sure I'm not that special of a snowflake and for millions of dollars the NFL should be able to find roughly 1600 people in a nation of 300 million that could perform at an acceptable level without needing PED's if they really, really wanted to. Now whether they do or not, who the fuck knows, but I don't think that just because someone is doing those things means they are on drugs. If anything I'm really disappointed in Edelman that he needs PED's just to hit that level of performance.
no disrespect, but these guys are the top 0.0001% of the population at doing this. there's very little margin for error
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A hand timed 4.5 is like a 4.7 at best (which is still p impressive and D1 athlete level of fast)
But it’s rather beside the point
If an advantage can be gained, it will be taken, or you fall behind
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I thought it was OK to be on steroids and such recovering from an injury as part of a procedure prescribed by the dr. Peyton did for example while recovering am I correct? Or has something changed ?
I just don't see why we're given Edelman the benefit of the doubt besides he's a patriot.
Yeah I find it pretty difficult to get worked up over PEDs at this point
I would find it easier to get upset if testing wasn't years behind steroids, and the people who get caught are always that rare exemption thus making taking them more profitable than not.
It's like cycling, its easier to cheat and hope to not get caught, then to play clean and continue to lose to cheaters.
The idea that all but a few of our professional athletes use performance enhancing substances at some point is kinda farcical.
It's the truth. It's been found to be the truth in pretty much every sport where the testing catches up with the substances.
It becomes a simple game theory/math problem. The further down the bell curve you move, the larger the pool of people who can perform at that level. There may be 25 guys for every spot who can perform at 90% of good enough to be pro. If even 4% of them are willing to cheat, and cheating is good enough to get you that extra 10%, then the entire sport becomes populated with cheaters.
(And when what's on the line is the difference between realizing your dream and making hundreds of thousands of dollars, or going to coach JV at your old high school, the willingness is way higher than 4%)
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ObiFettUse the ForceAs You WishRegistered Userregular
He runs barstool sports a group of chuckle fucks, but if other people back his reporting then this could be a story.
Its being both corroborated and contradicted right now.
But the guy who leaked the Edelman suspension a day before the news broke has hinted that this is legit along with a few other people who have been right in the past. But then again you've got quite a few other reporters and even Gronk's brother saying this is false.
Again, all we've got are rumors and denials, so who knows at this point, really?
edit: Biggest piece of evidence that this is legit is that Vegas books have removed all of the Patriot's season's odds. If Vegas is making moves, then you know something is up.
I am probably wrong, but the Patriots losing any single player doesn't really affect their chances at a super bowl, imo.
I feel like Belichick could take them to at least the AFC Championship with any roster in the NFL.
They have shown they are able to compensate for the loss of just about anybody, but Brady and Gronk bring some unique skills to the team and it would be a big hit to lose either of them.
I am probably wrong, but the Patriots losing any single player doesn't really affect their chances at a super bowl, imo.
I feel like Belichick could take them to at least the AFC Championship with any roster in the NFL.
They have shown they are able to compensate for the loss of just about anybody, but Brady and Gronk bring some unique skills to the team and it would be a big hit to lose either of them.
I'm pretty sure that in the last few years, we have a better record with Gronk out than with him suited up.
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I am probably wrong, but the Patriots losing any single player doesn't really affect their chances at a super bowl, imo.
I feel like Belichick could take them to at least the AFC Championship with any roster in the NFL.
They have shown they are able to compensate for the loss of just about anybody, but Brady and Gronk bring some unique skills to the team and it would be a big hit to lose either of them.
I'm pretty sure that in the last few years, we have a better record with Gronk out than with him suited up.
When he’s out, Brady’s stats are far, far worse
And just, eye test, we look bad and struggle to consistently move the ball
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Looks like its a constant battle between the non-emotional attachment of Belichick and the loyalty of Kraft/Brady.
FWIW, if I was Kraft I would just trust Belichick's method and let him keep cycling players in and out of the system. Garropolo was the first real battle of this war. Looks like Gronk was the second. And it sounds like Belichick lost both of those. Not sure how many more losses Belichick will want to take.
Oh poor writers, those poor little babies. Fuck you buddy. You already snubbed TO for two fucking years you dick wads.
I liked the point made at the end of the piece - if this writer is going to be this bent out of shape over Owens' choice, maybe Canton needs to pull his vote.
FWIW, if I was Kraft I would just trust Belichick's method and let him keep cycling players in and out of the system. Garropolo was the first real battle of this war. Looks like Gronk was the second. And it sounds like Belichick lost both of those. Not sure how many more losses Belichick will want to take.
Its more like sports reporters know that people will believe anything about the Patriots and really want to believe the team is falling apart. So they can report stuff like this and people will decide that Kraft (who holds as a central guiding principal after Parcells/Carrol that you don't interfere with football decisions) at the direction of Brady (who has always been BB's ultimate soldier) is making a series of ultimatums and that Belichick (who demands control of all levels of football operations and could immediately take over any team he wanted because he's universally seen as the best coach in the league) is kowtowing to them. You have to really want to believe it to be true to think Belichick is being made to do anything he doesn't want to do.
The actual beat reporters or the primary national column writers with sources are never the people with these stories, its always periphery feature writers trying to make a name for themselves. And when its denied categorically by all parties, well of course they'd say that. And when central facts are disprovable by public information, other reporting or simple logic, well the gist must be true. And ultimately its sports so who cares if they don't follow journalistic standards of having multiple sources.
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The idea that all but a few of our professional athletes use performance enhancing substances at some point is kinda farcical.
Are you saying that its only a few bad actors? Because I just don't trust that. I don't trust "pure athleticism" hell even athletes of old took steroids or their equivalents.
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No the exact opposite. They all do some bullshit to be that good.
Ok yeah I was confused someone as cynical as you believing pro athletes just didn't synch.
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I don't know man. Maybe for some of the bigger positions, but I just turned 33, weigh 178lbs at 5'7 and I ran a 4.5 40 back in January. Now, sure, maybe I hold up way better than a whole lot of others. But I'm also not getting paid millions of dollars to freaking stay in shape like these guys are. Like, it's utterly possible to compete at that level without resorting to drugs, for the skill positions at least. I have no idea about say, an OLB that is expected to weight 60 lbs more and be just as fast.
But Edelman? Nah, no fucking need.
Do thou run 4.5 40s for like an hour straight while being hit by 300lbs freight trains?
remember, edelman is 32 years old and trying to recover from a torn ACL at a skill position, specifically slot receiver, one that requires sharp cuts and quickness
i can totally see him getting popped for HGH or something similar trying to heal fully
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Except everyone uses PEDs so you have to do both
I just don't see why we're given Edelman the benefit of the doubt besides he's a patriot.
In the NFL it goes:
Opioids = not just ok, but dangerously pushed by training staff
Medically used steroids/HGH/supplements = bad
Legal/Medical weed = lol fuck off you junkie
no, peyton's WIFE was doing the HGH, remember
it was a very believable story
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
I'm going to go play tonight from 6 til 9 with a lot less of a break than the NFL guys get since we play both ways the full time with only a few water breaks between games. Granted, we don't have full on tackling, but we block downfield and jam at the lines, and it's not like collisions don't happen on crossing routes. But again, I'm not even getting paid to do this, and I can keep that level of physicality up.
I'm quite sure I'm not that special of a snowflake and for millions of dollars the NFL should be able to find roughly 1600 people in a nation of 300 million that could perform at an acceptable level without needing PED's if they really, really wanted to. Now whether they do or not, who the fuck knows, but I don't think that just because someone is doing those things means they are on drugs. If anything I'm really disappointed in Edelman that he needs PED's just to hit that level of performance.
Real answer- when everyone is a pro, a 1% edge can make you a star. Cryo, cupping, diet, film study, routines, James Harrison spending like $1 million a year on his body to keep going, etc
It’s an arms race
no disrespect, but these guys are the top 0.0001% of the population at doing this. there's very little margin for error
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
But it’s rather beside the point
If an advantage can be gained, it will be taken, or you fall behind
Wasn't this Clemens excuse?
It's the truth. It's been found to be the truth in pretty much every sport where the testing catches up with the substances.
It becomes a simple game theory/math problem. The further down the bell curve you move, the larger the pool of people who can perform at that level. There may be 25 guys for every spot who can perform at 90% of good enough to be pro. If even 4% of them are willing to cheat, and cheating is good enough to get you that extra 10%, then the entire sport becomes populated with cheaters.
(And when what's on the line is the difference between realizing your dream and making hundreds of thousands of dollars, or going to coach JV at your old high school, the willingness is way higher than 4%)
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I have no idea who he is, tbh, just that this report seems to be gaining traction because its been corroborated by quite a few people
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Its being both corroborated and contradicted right now.
But the guy who leaked the Edelman suspension a day before the news broke has hinted that this is legit along with a few other people who have been right in the past. But then again you've got quite a few other reporters and even Gronk's brother saying this is false.
Again, all we've got are rumors and denials, so who knows at this point, really?
edit: Biggest piece of evidence that this is legit is that Vegas books have removed all of the Patriot's season's odds. If Vegas is making moves, then you know something is up.
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
I am probably wrong, but the Patriots losing any single player doesn't really affect their chances at a super bowl, imo.
I feel like Belichick could take them to at least the AFC Championship with any roster in the NFL.
They have shown they are able to compensate for the loss of just about anybody, but Brady and Gronk bring some unique skills to the team and it would be a big hit to lose either of them.
I'm pretty sure that in the last few years, we have a better record with Gronk out than with him suited up.
When he’s out, Brady’s stats are far, far worse
And just, eye test, we look bad and struggle to consistently move the ball
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
FWIW, if I was Kraft I would just trust Belichick's method and let him keep cycling players in and out of the system. Garropolo was the first real battle of this war. Looks like Gronk was the second. And it sounds like Belichick lost both of those. Not sure how many more losses Belichick will want to take.
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I liked the point made at the end of the piece - if this writer is going to be this bent out of shape over Owens' choice, maybe Canton needs to pull his vote.
If he isn't cut, then he probably has continued use on the defense.
Its more like sports reporters know that people will believe anything about the Patriots and really want to believe the team is falling apart. So they can report stuff like this and people will decide that Kraft (who holds as a central guiding principal after Parcells/Carrol that you don't interfere with football decisions) at the direction of Brady (who has always been BB's ultimate soldier) is making a series of ultimatums and that Belichick (who demands control of all levels of football operations and could immediately take over any team he wanted because he's universally seen as the best coach in the league) is kowtowing to them. You have to really want to believe it to be true to think Belichick is being made to do anything he doesn't want to do.
The actual beat reporters or the primary national column writers with sources are never the people with these stories, its always periphery feature writers trying to make a name for themselves. And when its denied categorically by all parties, well of course they'd say that. And when central facts are disprovable by public information, other reporting or simple logic, well the gist must be true. And ultimately its sports so who cares if they don't follow journalistic standards of having multiple sources.
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