So if McCabe is right, and he was fired to obstruct Mueller's investigation, this should lead to Sessions being investigated for obstruction of justice.
I suppose he will have to double recuse himself or something.
I can’t help but think that the people who are going to take this news the worst out of everyone are the hard working men and women of the FBI. There’s no way the career employees there aren’t super pissed about this.
All they had to do was wait for two days and he would have been out of their hair and wouldn't have made any public statements against them.
He really wouldn't have been out of their hair. He's still going to be a factor in the ongoing investigation, just not actively.
Them doing this seems specifically because he is going to be a thorn in their side for some time, so they want to do what they can, even with the flimsy "justification", while they can, to undermine his credibility when they need it to be at least plausibly (to their base) questionable..
I don't actually know that much about McCabe in this whole thing. how is he going to be a thorn in their side? just because they put him in charge and he hasn't shut down investigations against them or something?
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I knew SOMETHING was going to happen today with how much NPR was focusing on Sarah Huckabee-Sanders talking about how they were going to calm down with the firings and shiftings around of people.
I don't actually know that much about McCabe in this whole thing. how is he going to be a thorn in their side? just because they put him in charge and he hasn't shut down investigations against them or something?
For one thing, he will be corroborating Comey's testimony. I'm guessing he was also involved in vetting the Steele dossier, and probably knew of Steele even if they didn't know each other personally, given that their professional area of expertise intersects.
I still don't get how this gives them "ammunition".
Or rather, I know how they hope it shakes out but I can't believe even really die hard Republicans are going to go for it
"He's only trying to bring Trump down because he got fired!"
"Why did he get fired?"
"Uhhhhhhhh.....HILLARY CLINTON"
Also, you have to take into account how this affects morale in the intelligence community. They've already had to deal with a year plus about their incompetency. But now Trump's targetting the retirement benefits of career agents.
I can't think of a more dangerous division of the US government that you'ld want to piss off in a fit of pique.
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I still don't get how this gives them "ammunition".
Or rather, I know how they hope it shakes out but I can't believe even really die hard Republicans are going to go for it
"He's only trying to bring Trump down because he got fired!"
"Why did he get fired?"
"Uhhhhhhhh.....HILLARY CLINTON"
The argument is that they were all pro-Clinton toadies, as evidenced by the fact that Clinton is not in prison. Also: something something illegal Trump wiretaps.
At least that's what's going around the conservative pundit circuits.
So yeah, it's dumb as balls.
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I still don't get how this gives them "ammunition".
Or rather, I know how they hope it shakes out but I can't believe even really die hard Republicans are going to go for it
"He's only trying to bring Trump down because he got fired!"
"Why did he get fired?"
"Uhhhhhhhh.....HILLARY CLINTON"
It’s pretty simple. “He’s fired because he lied to internal investigators.” Which makes him a liar, and why believe anything he says? And now he’s trying to get back at Trump.
Alternately, Sessions got a look at the internal OIG report and saw an easy way to score some points with Trump by immediately ramping it up to a firing.
In either case it’s Sessions who’s behind it, so I’m assuming some kind of calculated malice rather than mindless flailing.
The thing that scares me about all this is the talking point that there might be a full Intelligence Community purge of the 'disloyal'.
Because once he has an intelligence agency willing to follow his orders, no matter what, that's things get real, real dark.
I need some Hopium here guys and gals.
You might be able to hire some idiot talking head from Fox or rich bastard from Wall Street and put them into an appointed leadership position, but you can't do that in an entire organization of thousands of members who require very specialized skillsets. The FBI/CIA/etc require skills way more complex's than ICE's 'bust down a door and arrest all the brown people', so the only way to really take complete control of an IC agency is if there's already a sizable faction in your camp.
And that may have been true before the election. But I don't see how this won't drive them, and especially the FBI, into a complete rage, and Trump is insane if he actually believes what he tweeted about the rank and file backing him up. At this point a 'purge' of anything more than the top couple guys would require disbanding the entire agency.
The McCabe statement is insane. Any rational outside observer could tell that Trump was up to all sorts of shady things to undermine the Mueller investigation, but to see it in black and white from the head of the FBI is just chilling.
It feels like election night all over again. It's sobering and terrifying and my body is physically reacting to how dark it all is for our country. We live in a time where no hyperbole can properly express how nefarious this stuff is. Principles don't exist for so many people in charge of our nation -- nothing is sacred in their desperate grasp to cling to the power that they have.
I just fear for all of the damage that continues to be wrought while this is happening. There are no norms or even the faintest pretense of principles. It's all so brazen and I can't believe we live in such dark times; that so many people will be fine with this and continue their mindless support of the perpetrators of these crimes.
26 hours from retirement. He probably wasn't even going to be coming in to work today. I imagine they'd have had a going away party on Friday afternoon and he'd literally been out the door and back at home permanently by the time he was told not to come back to work.
And what is the chain of succession like now. Does the person set to replace him just jump in a day early? Does Trump get a say in appointing a new replacement now? Are we going to be stuck in a period where the country is effectively running without any leadership at the FBI, CIA and State Department simultaneously?
26 hours from retirement. He probably wasn't even going to be coming in to work today. I imagine they'd have had a going away party on Friday afternoon and he'd literally been out the door and back at home permanently by the time he was told not to come back to work.
And what is the chain of succession like now. Does the person set to replace him just jump in a day early? Does Trump get a say in appointing a new replacement now? Are we going to be stuck in a period where the country is effectively running without any leadership at the FBI, CIA and State Department simultaneously?
I believe he'd been on leave for a while, a month or two maybe? probably since Trump started tweeting about him in December or something. idk time doesn't mean anything anymore.
McCabe was second at the FBI. Head is Christopher wray. McCabe has pretty much been forced to step down since round the start of the whole memo nonsense. Unrelated to the memo, but that was the timing of it.
This move has little to no impact on the actual FBI since McCabe was already side lined
All it does is discreet McCabe.
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yeah, my recollection was that he was taking all of his PTO up to the point he could retire, and then retiring.
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Has anyone actually been fires to their face yet?
I suppose he will have to double recuse himself or something.
I feel like middle aged white men are the people who would be most disturbed by the spitefulness of this move. You don't fuck with a man's pension.
Most non-state non-union jobs lost their pensions ages ago.
I don't think this hits his base as hard as it would have a few decades ago.
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And they couldn't find someone high enough who was a Democrat because CIA.
Without cause, yes
But they can pretty much make up their own cause since it’s not like he’s got union protection.
Corruption in the government?
Don't they have laws against that?
Surely if someone from the government is corrupt, they will be charged as such?!
Projection.
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He really wouldn't have been out of their hair. He's still going to be a factor in the ongoing investigation, just not actively.
Them doing this seems specifically because he is going to be a thorn in their side for some time, so they want to do what they can, even with the flimsy "justification", while they can, to undermine his credibility when they need it to be at least plausibly (to their base) questionable..
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He heard it once from someone who heard it in a movie. It sounds tough.
He's implying that McCabe was dirty or corrupt and that Comey was even dirtier, making McCabe look like an innocent choirboy in comparison.
A combination of projection and Trump throwing whatever shit at their reputation that he can think of.
A few decades ago, the base was busy driving out people who were at all sympathetic to Russia.
For one thing, he will be corroborating Comey's testimony. I'm guessing he was also involved in vetting the Steele dossier, and probably knew of Steele even if they didn't know each other personally, given that their professional area of expertise intersects.
I hope McCabe fucking sues
Yes but then they would not have had their ammunition.
Or rather, I know how they hope it shakes out but I can't believe even really die hard Republicans are going to go for it
"He's only trying to bring Trump down because he got fired!"
"Why did he get fired?"
"Uhhhhhhhh.....HILLARY CLINTON"
I can't think of a more dangerous division of the US government that you'ld want to piss off in a fit of pique.
The argument is that they were all pro-Clinton toadies, as evidenced by the fact that Clinton is not in prison. Also: something something illegal Trump wiretaps.
At least that's what's going around the conservative pundit circuits.
So yeah, it's dumb as balls.
It’s pretty simple. “He’s fired because he lied to internal investigators.” Which makes him a liar, and why believe anything he says? And now he’s trying to get back at Trump.
Alternately, Sessions got a look at the internal OIG report and saw an easy way to score some points with Trump by immediately ramping it up to a firing.
In either case it’s Sessions who’s behind it, so I’m assuming some kind of calculated malice rather than mindless flailing.
Because once he has an intelligence agency willing to follow his orders, no matter what, that's things get real, real dark.
I need some Hopium here guys and gals.
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Because juries are not necessarily so smart. It’s a lot easier to impugn “fired FBI man” than “retired Republican FBI man”
You might be able to hire some idiot talking head from Fox or rich bastard from Wall Street and put them into an appointed leadership position, but you can't do that in an entire organization of thousands of members who require very specialized skillsets. The FBI/CIA/etc require skills way more complex's than ICE's 'bust down a door and arrest all the brown people', so the only way to really take complete control of an IC agency is if there's already a sizable faction in your camp.
And that may have been true before the election. But I don't see how this won't drive them, and especially the FBI, into a complete rage, and Trump is insane if he actually believes what he tweeted about the rank and file backing him up. At this point a 'purge' of anything more than the top couple guys would require disbanding the entire agency.
It feels like election night all over again. It's sobering and terrifying and my body is physically reacting to how dark it all is for our country. We live in a time where no hyperbole can properly express how nefarious this stuff is. Principles don't exist for so many people in charge of our nation -- nothing is sacred in their desperate grasp to cling to the power that they have.
I just fear for all of the damage that continues to be wrought while this is happening. There are no norms or even the faintest pretense of principles. It's all so brazen and I can't believe we live in such dark times; that so many people will be fine with this and continue their mindless support of the perpetrators of these crimes.
And what is the chain of succession like now. Does the person set to replace him just jump in a day early? Does Trump get a say in appointing a new replacement now? Are we going to be stuck in a period where the country is effectively running without any leadership at the FBI, CIA and State Department simultaneously?
I believe he'd been on leave for a while, a month or two maybe? probably since Trump started tweeting about him in December or something. idk time doesn't mean anything anymore.
This move has little to no impact on the actual FBI since McCabe was already side lined
All it does is discreet McCabe.
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