Apparently Federal Officials have literally lost nearly 1500 migrant children. As in, they relocated them and were completely unable to determine their whereabouts on follow-up check-ups.
So yeah, let's do this "separate kids from their parents" thing. Seems like a wonderful idea.
Two years ago the subcommittee released a report detailing how health and human services officials placed eight children with human traffickers who forced the minors to work on an egg farm in Marion, Ohio.
WHAT THE FUCK.
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I saw an unconfirmed claim about that earlier tonight and was relieved that there was no confirmation.
And well now that relief is out the window because what the fucking fuck.
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Two years ago the subcommittee released a report detailing how health and human services officials placed eight children with human traffickers who forced the minors to work on an egg farm in Marion, Ohio.
WHAT THE FUCK.
You know it's bad when you are reading this part of the story thinking "Well .... at least it wasn't prostitution".
The children will be taken care of — put into foster care or whatever
Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as
...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
— Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Reckless endangerment of children by flawed law that must be reformed: Federal Agencies Lost Track of Nearly 1,500 Migrant Children Placed With Sponsors https://t.co/wtrPyzy9z6
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Two years ago the subcommittee released a report detailing how health and human services officials placed eight children with human traffickers who forced the minors to work on an egg farm in Marion, Ohio.
WHAT THE FUCK.
You know it's bad when you are reading this part of the story thinking "Well .... at least it wasn't prostitution".
That's only 8. 1475 are missing. Since we already know that human traffickers have gotten involved, it's not a stretch to guess that far more of this has been happening. And considering the corruption and dripping evil that ICE, Homeland Security, and other agencies are full of these days, there's probably more than mere neglect going on. People who enjoy ripping children from their parents aren't going to stop there; many of them probably sold the children directly to the traffickers and then let the paperwork get misfiled so no one would know. If any investigations happen, which I doubt these days since it's all coverups and no one cares enough, they would probably find that the United States government is now directly involved in selling children into sex slavery by the hundreds, especially girls.
All the agencies that are currently involved with immigration in this country need to be destroyed, and every single person involved, directly or not, fired and investigated.
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Is that 1500 in the last year or over some span? Because two years ago wasn't Trumps agencies, it was Obama's.
Is that 1500 in the last year or over some span? Because two years ago wasn't Trumps agencies, it was Obama's.
Not that such makes it any less bad.
These seem to be from last year
From last October to the end of the year, officials at the agency’s Office of Refugee Resettlement tried to reach 7,635 children and their sponsors, Mr. Wagner testified. From these calls, officials learned that 6,075 children remained with their sponsors. Twenty-eight had run away, five had been removed from the United States and 52 had relocated to live with a nonsponsor.
But officials at the agency were unable to determine with certainty the whereabouts of 1,475 children, Mr. Wagner said.
Is that 1500 in the last year or over some span? Because two years ago wasn't Trumps agencies, it was Obama's.
Not that such makes it any less bad.
Oct 16 - Dec 17
The department is supposed to place check-in phone calls 30 days after a minor’s placement, but during the hearing, Wagner acknowledged gaps in that system.
Between October 2016 and December 2017, he said, the agency was unable to locate almost 1,500 out of the 7,635 minors that it attempted to reach
The "two years ago" reference is to when the Senate told HHS to tighten it the hell up. Given the date range (FY17-present), I assume the 30-day check-in was part of that reform.
Edit: This also seems pretty fucked:
Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) pressed Wagner on why more than half of unaccompanied minors in 2017 did not show up to their immigration hearings. When asked how HHS tracks the missing children, Wagner said that finding out whether children have attended their immigration hearing is not part of its protocol.
“We do not know who is showing up and who isn’t,” he said. “We don’t know those kids … We don’t follow up to ensure they go to the hearing.”
Is that 1500 in the last year or over some span? Because two years ago wasn't Trumps agencies, it was Obama's.
Not that such makes it any less bad.
These seem to be from last year
From last October to the end of the year, officials at the agency’s Office of Refugee Resettlement tried to reach 7,635 children and their sponsors, Mr. Wagner testified. From these calls, officials learned that 6,075 children remained with their sponsors. Twenty-eight had run away, five had been removed from the United States and 52 had relocated to live with a nonsponsor.
But officials at the agency were unable to determine with certainty the whereabouts of 1,475 children, Mr. Wagner said.
That just tells us when they tried to reach them. Not when they were separated from their families. Obama was much better on this, but a hostile Congress meant ice was still awful on his watch too. Just not as awful.
Alma Jacinto covered her eyes with her hands as tears streamed down her cheeks.
The 36-year-old from Guatemala was led out of the federal courtroom without an answer to the question that brought her to tears: When would she see her boys again?
Jacinto wore a yellow bracelet on her left wrist, which defense lawyers said identifies parents who are arrested with their children and prosecuted in Operation Streamline, a fast-track program for illegal border crossers.
This is exhausting. And speaks to a level of skill (evil as it may be), that they have such a high batting record of picking truly awful people so consistently. Either morally compromised and/or capability compromised and/or the literal antithesis of the position they're nominated for. You'ld think that they'd accidentally trip over a reasonable candidate occasionally.
Is that 1500 in the last year or over some span? Because two years ago wasn't Trumps agencies, it was Obama's.
Not that such makes it any less bad.
These seem to be from last year
From last October to the end of the year, officials at the agency’s Office of Refugee Resettlement tried to reach 7,635 children and their sponsors, Mr. Wagner testified. From these calls, officials learned that 6,075 children remained with their sponsors. Twenty-eight had run away, five had been removed from the United States and 52 had relocated to live with a nonsponsor.
But officials at the agency were unable to determine with certainty the whereabouts of 1,475 children, Mr. Wagner said.
That just tells us when they tried to reach them. Not when they were separated from their families. Obama was much better on this, but a hostile Congress meant ice was still awful on his watch too. Just not as awful.
DHS has been pretty shit since it's founding and wasn't really better under Obama. All the more reason to not forcibly create new unaccompanied minors at the border when their parents are in the next holding cell.
You know, aside from the basic decency and humanity reasons.
Apparently Federal Officials have literally lost nearly 1500 migrant children. As in, they relocated them and were completely unable to determine their whereabouts on follow-up check-ups.
So yeah, let's do this "separate kids from their parents" thing. Seems like a wonderful idea.
The "reason" for the separation of the minors from their parents was to prevent trafficking, right? That's the reason that has been mentioned as the fig leaf of rationale.
But now it turns out that (some percentage of) the kids were separated from their parents and placed with people who were traffickers. The mind boggles.
Apparently Federal Officials have literally lost nearly 1500 migrant children. As in, they relocated them and were completely unable to determine their whereabouts on follow-up check-ups.
So yeah, let's do this "separate kids from their parents" thing. Seems like a wonderful idea.
The "reason" for the separation of the minors from their parents was to prevent trafficking, right? That's the reason that has been mentioned as the fig leaf of rationale.
But now it turns out that (some percentage of) the kids were separated from their parents and placed with people who were traffickers. The mind boggles.
The separation policy was not in place during this time period. These kids were unaccompanied when picked up/turning themselves in at the border. Most likely a bunch are part of the continuing Guatemalan refugee crisis from a few years back.
We just decided to make even more children unaccompanied minors as policy when they arrive with their parents. In the hope that our base cruelty will deter border crossings. Now you can throw accidentally losing track of the kids after we take them away on top of taking them away as part of our policy of intentional cruelty.
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It's no longer a question of "Are we the baddies?"
We are absolutely the baddies. Our immigration policy is a gleeful revelry of human suffering.
History should scorn this United States like the Nazi Germany of the past century.
Kidnapping children of refugees and selling them to traffickers?
We've hit such a low here, that we should be in the core of the planet by now, making our way to the other side.
Can anyone comment on these "sponsors" these kids are being placed with? Who are the sponsors, how are they chosen, what duties do they have, etc.?
The PBS article says a new policy was established in April:
Wagner told the committee that since February 2016, HHS has gone to greater lengths to verify the identity of potential sponsors of unaccompanied minors, and worked to crack down on the ability of sponsors to use fraudulent documents during the placement process. A new agreement reached this month between HHS and the Department of Homeland Security establishes policies for the agencies to better share information to help screen potential sponsors.
Could probably be Googled, but I need to get off this bloody forum and get back to work.
Can anyone comment on these "sponsors" these kids are being placed with? Who are the sponsors, how are they chosen, what duties do they have, etc.?
Some of them are decent, caring human beings who are taking in children with great needs through/ with the help of organizations like Catholic Charities. Some are evidently slavers who really like deviled eggs.
Can anyone comment on these "sponsors" these kids are being placed with? Who are the sponsors, how are they chosen, what duties do they have, etc.?
Some of them are decent, caring human beings who are taking in children with great needs through/ with the help of organizations like Catholic Charities. Some are evidently slavers who really like deviled eggs.
I suspect using your charges for non-sexual, cheap labor or contracting them out is probably a low-incidence, high-magnitude problem for the foster care system as a whole.
But I base this almost* entirely on the fact there was an SVU episode about it.
Jesus they're laying the fear on thick. The video is about how they use 3D models to identify remains.
"Here at ICE, we're really good at identifying your children when their missing body turns up in the desert. DON'T COME HERE"
May I refer you to the Radiolab episodes I posted on page 1 of this thread.
That's what I mean; this is clearly an attempt to signal boost that deterrent. Along with the two parallel discussions in this thread today you get:
"Your kids that don't die in the desert will be torn from you screaming and then we'll probably just lose them when they get sold into slavery."
We have moved passed negligence. We are choosing to do this, and I have no words for that.
Meanwhile, as we're trying to make the US seem worse to migrants than the gangs and poverty they might be running from, we're also doing our best to demonize those gangs and shit on those countries in the minds of US citizens.
Why? So we won't care that we chose to do it.
By contrast, the whole Russia thing is vexing but ultimately political. Our direction on this seems so fundamentally wrong, on a human level, that I can't get my arms around an informed dissenting perspective without using words like "evil" and "monstrous"
If this gets papered over so "the country can move forward" when these monsters are out of power there's no hope for us.
Sadly, the political will of this is not on our side. Change that, and you'll get a glimpse of true justice until then, though, the status quo will continue.
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So yeah, let's do this "separate kids from their parents" thing. Seems like a wonderful idea.
Ugh, I feel sick.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/us/politics/migrant-children-missing.html
That is fucking abominable.
WHAT THE FUCK.
And well now that relief is out the window because what the fucking fuck.
You know it's bad when you are reading this part of the story thinking "Well .... at least it wasn't prostitution".
There is no "bottom" in the Trump administration. It can always get worse.
If 1500 kids are missing, I hope that only 8 children have been sold into sex slavery. None would be a miracle.
That's only 8. 1475 are missing. Since we already know that human traffickers have gotten involved, it's not a stretch to guess that far more of this has been happening. And considering the corruption and dripping evil that ICE, Homeland Security, and other agencies are full of these days, there's probably more than mere neglect going on. People who enjoy ripping children from their parents aren't going to stop there; many of them probably sold the children directly to the traffickers and then let the paperwork get misfiled so no one would know. If any investigations happen, which I doubt these days since it's all coverups and no one cares enough, they would probably find that the United States government is now directly involved in selling children into sex slavery by the hundreds, especially girls.
All the agencies that are currently involved with immigration in this country need to be destroyed, and every single person involved, directly or not, fired and investigated.
Not that such makes it any less bad.
These seem to be from last year
Oct 16 - Dec 17 https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/hhs-official-says-agency-lost-track-of-nearly-1500-unaccompanied-minors/
The "two years ago" reference is to when the Senate told HHS to tighten it the hell up. Given the date range (FY17-present), I assume the 30-day check-in was part of that reform.
Edit: This also seems pretty fucked:
That just tells us when they tried to reach them. Not when they were separated from their families. Obama was much better on this, but a hostile Congress meant ice was still awful on his watch too. Just not as awful.
The Center for Immigration Studies is a hate group.
Parents, children ensnared in 'zero-tolerance' border prosecutions
The. Best. People.
This is exhausting. And speaks to a level of skill (evil as it may be), that they have such a high batting record of picking truly awful people so consistently. Either morally compromised and/or capability compromised and/or the literal antithesis of the position they're nominated for. You'ld think that they'd accidentally trip over a reasonable candidate occasionally.
These f'n guys.
DHS has been pretty shit since it's founding and wasn't really better under Obama. All the more reason to not forcibly create new unaccompanied minors at the border when their parents are in the next holding cell.
You know, aside from the basic decency and humanity reasons.
So wait, lemme get this straight.
The "reason" for the separation of the minors from their parents was to prevent trafficking, right? That's the reason that has been mentioned as the fig leaf of rationale.
But now it turns out that (some percentage of) the kids were separated from their parents and placed with people who were traffickers. The mind boggles.
The separation policy was not in place during this time period. These kids were unaccompanied when picked up/turning themselves in at the border. Most likely a bunch are part of the continuing Guatemalan refugee crisis from a few years back.
We just decided to make even more children unaccompanied minors as policy when they arrive with their parents. In the hope that our base cruelty will deter border crossings. Now you can throw accidentally losing track of the kids after we take them away on top of taking them away as part of our policy of intentional cruelty.
We are absolutely the baddies. Our immigration policy is a gleeful revelry of human suffering.
History should scorn this United States like the Nazi Germany of the past century.
Kidnapping children of refugees and selling them to traffickers?
We've hit such a low here, that we should be in the core of the planet by now, making our way to the other side.
The PBS article says a new policy was established in April:
Could probably be Googled, but I need to get off this bloody forum and get back to work.
This is the April GAO report given to the committee on current policies
https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/691526.pdf
But I'm not sure if this reflects the policy changes HHS and DHS made that month.
Some of them are decent, caring human beings who are taking in children with great needs through/ with the help of organizations like Catholic Charities. Some are evidently slavers who really like deviled eggs.
I suspect using your charges for non-sexual, cheap labor or contracting them out is probably a low-incidence, high-magnitude problem for the foster care system as a whole.
But I base this almost* entirely on the fact there was an SVU episode about it.
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"ICE's official Twitter page for information on job postings, recruiting events & more."
Quoting the text of the tweet in case it gets taken down
Jesus they're laying the fear on thick. The video is about how they use 3D models to identify remains.
"Here at ICE, we're really good at identifying your children when their missing body turns up in the desert. DON'T COME HERE"
May I refer you to the Radiolab episodes I posted on page 1 of this thread.
Trump, Pence, Kelly, Sessions, and Nielsen need to see jail cells. At minimum.
And Nunes.
Well, yeah, but not for this.
That's what I mean; this is clearly an attempt to signal boost that deterrent. Along with the two parallel discussions in this thread today you get:
"Your kids that don't die in the desert will be torn from you screaming and then we'll probably just lose them when they get sold into slavery."
We have moved passed negligence. We are choosing to do this, and I have no words for that.
Meanwhile, as we're trying to make the US seem worse to migrants than the gangs and poverty they might be running from, we're also doing our best to demonize those gangs and shit on those countries in the minds of US citizens.
Why? So we won't care that we chose to do it.
By contrast, the whole Russia thing is vexing but ultimately political. Our direction on this seems so fundamentally wrong, on a human level, that I can't get my arms around an informed dissenting perspective without using words like "evil" and "monstrous"
I just can't see it happening. Too many people are too on board with harsh immigration issues and it all ends up tangled in "partisanship".
can you link it
Democrats should run almost entirely on this. Fuck the Russia stuff, it doesn't poll well and most can't follow it
This though... This is something everyone will soon know about
Democrats need to run on immigration reform and abolishing ice. Jesus fuck
Sadly, the political will of this is not on our side. Change that, and you'll get a glimpse of true justice until then, though, the status quo will continue.