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[Final Fantasy Record Keeper] Is actually a pretty fun mobile free-to-play game for iOS and Android. It's not perfect by any means, but it's a HUGE improvement over such duds as All The Bravest. It's a walk down memory lane with a simple ATB style combat system with a surprising amount of depth and strategy. There is a new event every week, featuring your favorite characters and stages from Final Fantasy history, so it never gets old, and it IS free to try, so give it a shot if you have some time to spare. Just don't give them any of your money.
How naive I was about this little game.

This is the thread for talking about Square Enix's F2P Mobile game Final Fantasy Record Keeper (FFRK) for iOS and Android. Initially met with skepticism after some of SE's lackluster F2P entries in the past, it has grown in scope and popularity to the point where it gets as much discussion as any other mainline Final Fantasy game.

The game features the Active Time Battle system you've come to know from many previous entries. You can take up to 5 characters, made up of all your favorites from past games (and one original starter character) as you journey through the cliff notes version of all the Final Fantasy games. Each Final Fantasy game is a world, made up of "Records" with several stages. There are also limited time events that occur every week featuring additional stages, characters, and rewards.

All F2P "Gacha" games have an ingame currency, and FFRK's is Mythril. Using it allows you to pull relics (weapons and armor that can be worn by anyone, but give new Soul Breaks to specific characters) from the various banners that are currently active. Mythril also allows you to recharge stamina, and to try again if you happen to be defeated in a stage.

You can spend real money on Gems which have the same function as Mythril, but for a new player it's possible to clear many month's worth of content without spending a dime. And for a smart player who plans ahead, it's possible to clear even the hardest content over time, also without spending real money. This is thanks to several quality of life features implemented by DeNa, chief among them the Friend Summon system and Guaranteed 5*, which gives you at least one high-rarity item per 11-pull you do. Additionally, generous amounts of free Mythril are available between a combination of login bonuses, stage completions, event participation and quest completion.

New Player Tips!
1) Build your relic pool. Save up your Mythril so you can spend it, 50 at a time, to do an 11-pull on an active banner. This will get you at least one 5* relic, and a variety of those will enable more strategies for you.

At least once a month we receive "Lucky Draw" banners which are usually half-price, and these are pretty great for new players. Note: there are three "Newcomer Relic Draws" that offer a half-price first pull, but they're not actually that great (the relic pools are extremely dated, so you have a higher chance of drawing something poor.)

2) Take advantage of Synergy. Characters get a ten level effective boost when brought to a mission in the realm they're from. Equipment from that realm gets an even more dramatic boost.

3) Offensive Buffs on your party, Offensive Debuffs on the enemy, and Defensive Buffs on your party are extremely important. A difficult fight often becomes a routine one after application of these categories, and the game's hardest content (Magicites being the one notable exception) demands all three.

Consequently, these constraints will guide some of your first decisions as a new player. Your first 4* Abilities should include Power Breakdown and Magic Breakdown, Protectga and Shellga. Your 5* Ability will almost certainly be Full Break. Some of your first prize possession relics will be those that grant Soul Breaks that combine Hastega + ATK or MAG Buffs, or that provide Wall (a very strong stacking DEF/RES buff.)

Remember, you can summon a Roaming Warrior to provide what you don't personally have! The RW system for Story Missions will soon be changed, but you'll still be able to use your RW to activate Sentinel's Grimoire (Wall), or a Hastega + Offensive Buff like Shout (+50% ATK) or Vessel of Fate (+30% ATK/+30% MAG).

4) Learn when to reapply buffs and debuffs. How long does Power Breakdown last? What about Protect? Wall?

Unfortunately, except for status effects like Blind, Haste, Silence, etc, you rarely get any visual indications on when Buffs expire. Taking an unmitigated hit that kills or nearly kills a character is usually how you find out, and that's not fun. The following rules of thumb assume your characters are Hasted.

Offensive Debuff Abilities, like Power Breakdown and Magic Breakdown, last a fixed 15 seconds. You'll want to reapply them on the third turn.

Defensive Buff Abilities, like Protectga and Shellga, are a little trickier. Their duration scales based on the caster's Mind stat. At zero Mind, they last 35 seconds, but with every 100 Mind they last another 3 seconds. For most White Mages you'll want to recast them after ten+ turns, but often you'll be finishing a fight by then at the worst.

Buffs and Debuffs from Soul Breaks typically last 25 seconds. The extra time is to maintain coverage while you build and spend another SB gauge. The exception is SBs that provide Haste, Protectga or Shellga; since those durations are based on MND to begin with, their durations when caused by SBs are also based on MND. Basically, if you pull Ramza's Shout, try to get him close to 200 Mind.

5) Tyro and Cloud, your first two characters, should be the first two characters you level to 65 (and apply Memory Crystal IIs to.) The reason for this is that they both have Record Materia which, when equipped to any character, give that character a full SB gauge at the start of battle. This allows you to start boss fights with two utility/buff Soul Breaks.

Additional various game and system information:
1) Quests.
From the home screen, the Missions button in the upper-right features Wayfarer, Normal and Special missions. The Wayfarer missions are meant for new players and will guide you to some of the game's basic features, as well as giving you some nice ability and item rewards. Move on to the Normal missions from there. Special missions typically involve defeating some of the game's highest difficulty level fights with certain team limitations, which are usually "only use characters from this realm."

2) Stamina.
You can see the current / maximum Stamina numerically in the upper right corner of your Home screen. Below that is an orange bar that shows the same thing, but below that bar is a set of 5 hexagons representing your current Stamina Shards. When you get 5 Stamina Shards, you refill your stamina to full and your maximum goes up by 1. The filled in hexagons show you how many stamina shards you have towards the next stamina refill and maximum +1.

Stamina Shards can only be collected by running the Story Dungeons, available from the lower-left archway on the main menu. It is to your benefit to collect that fifth shard when you're running out or empty of Stamina. Efficiency is good! If you do a Stamina refill with Mythril/Gems, however, you'll get your maximum Stamina added on to your current, which means you'll have a surplus available. You won't start recharging Stamina again until your current drops back below your maximum.

3)Record Info.
When reading about the record in question, several tabs will be available with story, reward and boss info. Here you can read about the story background, rewards, and boss strategies as well as any medal requirements.

Upon completing any given stage in a record, your performance will be ranked. For any stage without a boss, you can earn up to 9 medals. You will lose medals if more than one party member dies, or if the party takes too much damage or uses too many actions to clear the stage. Earn enough medals and you will gain the Expert or Champion rating for the stage, which provides 150% and 200% experience, respectively.

Upon finishing the entire record, there are 3 reward levels; Completion, First Time Completion and Mastery. You can get the Completion bonus every time you complete that record. However, the other two can only be achieved once and typically include excellent rewards. To attain Mastery rewards, you must have earned 83.33% (5/6th) of all medals within the record. Remember those boss medal requirements? Each gives 3 medals if completed or 0 medals if not, so for records with few or only one stage, boss medal requirements can be crucial for obtaining Mastery rewards.

4) Newcomer Dungeons.
In the Events section are three Newcomer Dungeons, one each for FF7, FF10 and FF13. They feature 10 Records apiece that grant characters, Memory Crystals, growth eggs and Mythril, and have easier difficulties.

5) Events.
Typically, there's 1 or 2 events running at any given time. These events start at a very low difficulty that even first day players can participate in, and end at very high difficulties that even longtime veterans can have trouble with. Rewards for completing event stages can include new or returning characters and their Memory Crystals (used to break level caps), weapons, armor or accessories from the event's realm, orbs, upgrade materials and of course Mythril. Events typically run for about two weeks and overlap, and you should definitely try to complete as much of each event as possible.

6) Unlocking Characters (and breaking their level caps.)
Each weekly event features a specific realm. Completing the first half of these events will get you several characters from that realm, as well as a Hero Soul (more on this below.) Completing the second half of these events will get you Memory Crystals for those characters, as well as a Memory Crystal Lode (again, more below.) Completing the bonus battles for these events will get you Memory Crystal IIs for those characters, as well as a Memory Crystal II Lode (ditto.) Completing the Ultimate battle will get you a Memory Crystal III Lode.

To unlock characters who aren't currently featured in events, you'll visit the Hall of Rites. Hero Souls can be turned in for any character, and MC Lodes can be turned in for their various MCs. MC1s are used to break past level 50 and enable the Record Materia slot. MC2s are used to break past level 65, and MC3s are used to break past level 80.

7) Record Dive.
The Record Dive system allows you to power up characters who have reached level 65, adding small amounts of stat points, percentage boosts to certain types of abilities, adding or increasing ability ranks, adding additional equipment options, or even unlocking exclusive character-specific Legend Materia. The available powerups are different for each eligible character. You unlock these power ups by expending Spirit/Wisdom/Bravery/Dexterity/Vitality Motes, which are a special type of currency obtained from a variety of sources including Event rewards. 4* motes are attainable by completing the harder difficulties of weekly multiplayer content. 5* motes are attainable by completing harder difficulties of weekly single player content. Some exceptions may apply.

Record Dive is also where one can spend 5* Job Motes (like Thief, Spellblade, Ninja, etc), which enable the use and provide copies of certain 6* abilities. Sources of these motes are few and far between.

This is a complicated system with a lot of moving parts and limited resources and there are not nearly enough motes to unlock every character's everything. Feel free to ask questions in the thread!

8) Daily Dungeons.
Each day has a specific set of 2 dungeons. You can only get the First Time Completion and Mastery rewards once, same as the records, and those rewards don't refresh from week to week.

Each day offers two rotating Daily Dungeons with two difficulties apiece. The first is great for farming 5* orbs, the second is great for farming 6* orbs. You can also access Upgrade Materials, Gil, and EXP dungeons any day of the week. Sunday offers enhanced versions of the latter trio.

Enemies in the daily dungeons can drop Gysahl Greens, and you also get some upon completion. These Greens can be exchanged for orbs, eggs, gil or upgrade materials at any time, and once per week the Special Shop will restock a variety of Major Orbs (at half price, relative to buying 10x Greaters), MC lodes and Mythril. Additional purchases may become available from time to time (accessories, items, etc.)

9) Nightmare, Mote, Torment and Magicite Dungeons
The Nightmare area is now permanently open, and features a set of 12 dungeons with 5 challenging boss fights apiece. Each dungeon culminates in a special fight where all characters with 5* rank in a specified ability will get full synergy for themselves and all equipped items, regardless of what realm they or their equipped gear are from! These final fights are like puzzles that must be solved and typically require planning and tactics instead of super powerful gear.

Completing the final boss of a Nightmare dungeon gives you a Record for a powerful 6* ability, which require 6* crystals to make. These crystals are somewhat slow to acquire, so spend them carefully.

There are five Mote dungeons which are individually open for two days on a rotation, like the Daily Dungeons. They each feature a single boss fight where all characters start with one SB gauge and cannot earn more. Clearing them for the first time awards a large amount of 4* Motes for Legend Dives, and they can be repeatedly cleared for lesser amounts, with bonuses for faster clears.

There are Torment dungeons, with more on the way. Each features a single boss fight in three difficulties. The first two difficulties are precluded by 4 or 6 (based on difficulty) waves of high-HP trash which themselves require significant effort to clear, and there is no stage break between the trash and the boss. The bosses have elemental weaknesses, but at reduced potency. Rewards include 5* Orbs, 6* Crystals and 5* Job Motes for specific ability schools. The third, highest, difficulty has no trash waves and uses the Jump Start rules, where each character starts with 3 SB bars and cannot gain any more.

New to the game as of this thread are the Magicite dungeons, which take the throne as the game's hardest content (and can't even be accessed until you clear all the Nightmare dungeons!) Each features a single dungeon with a single stage, and you are challenged by an incredibly powerful Esper. If you can defeat them, you can gain a copy of them and other Espers as Magicites, which can be equipped on the Party screen and benefit the entire party. You can even call on your Main Esper to fight alongside you with a variety of positive effects. These battles feature ZERO Synergy bonuses, you can't bring any of your Roaming Warrior friends, and the Espers have an 80% resistance to Break effects, so they're quite a challenge! Fortunately there's a mysterious ally who can help you out...

Magicites are leveled up and have their level caps broken just like characters do, and you can only finish one Esper fight per day. This is a very deep system which we're just beginning to scratch the surface of. Here's a post written by silence1186 which has some great info on which Magicites are good for what.

10) Relics.
The Relics page, accessible via shortcut on the bottom right of most screens, is where one can "pull" from a variety of "banners" for items. Banner pulls are always at least 3* rarity, with a lesser chance at 4* rarity and a ~13% chance at 5* rarity. Doing so costs Mythril (in game currency) or Gems (purchased with real $$$).

All banners from this point forward will have "Guaranteed 5*", which means every 11-pull comes with at least one 5* item. The likeliest result is two 5* items per 11 pull.

Banners are typically linked to current Events, and every banner has featured 5* relics. When you pull a 5* item, most of the time it will be one of the featured relics, but there's still a very small chance (0.1%) it won't be.

One can do a single pull for 5 Mythril, a triple pull for 15 Mythril or an 11 pull for 50 Mythril. In this modern era of Guaranteed 5*, it is most efficient to do 11 pulls and only 11 pulls. Aside from that, on a per-draw basis your odds of drawing a 5* item are the same no matter how many items you pull at once and no matter which currency you use to pay for them.

11) Stacking Debuffs.
A relatively common feature of relics these days are an SB that includes stat debuffs to the enemy targets. A good party setup might include one or more of these SBs, and a key piece of information is that they stack if the affected debuff/debuffs are different combinations. One ATK/MAG debuff won't stack with another, but an ATK/MAG debuff will stack with an ATK/DEF debuff and an ATK/RES debuff. This rule of thumb goes for Support abilities as well; see the second post for more information.

Multiplayer!

We have a Discord channel set up to coordinate PA runs of Multiplayer bosses. You can join it with this link; https://discord.gg/mNKVTKf

FFRK Acronyms 101 (thanks to Bluecyan for the initial list of these)
MC - Memory Crystal [MC1s break a character's level 50 limit. MC2 is used to break their level 65 limit, and MC3s break the level 80 limit.]
RM - Record Materia [New equippable slot on a character once their MC1 is used. The RM slot for a character, as well as that character's RM1, are unlocked by using that character's MC1. Successive RM are acquired from level broken characters in a variety of ways.]
LM1/LM2 - Legend Materia 1/2. Special character-specific RMs that use separate slots and are acquired by spending 5* motes on a character's Legend Dive.
LMR - Legend Materia Relic. A category of LM that's acquired by pulling and mastering Record Materia equipment.
SG/SSII - Sentinel Grimoire/Stoneskin 2 [Also refered to as Wall. These SBs apply a massive defensive buff to the whole party.]
SB - Soul Break [Powerful abilities learned by acquiring character-specific relics, then equipping them until mastered.]
SSB - Super Soul Break [Like an SB, but stronger, with a variety of bonus effects.]
BSB - Burst Soul Break [Like an SSB, except they also grant Burst Mode, which changes your Attack and Defense commands to something else for a limited time.]
- C1 - Command 1 [Replaces the Attack command during Burst Mode]
- C2 - Command 2 [Replaces the Defend command during Burst Mode]
OSB - Overlimit Soul Break [6* items! They're very powerful SBs that hit only once, but can break the 9999 damage limit.]
USB - Ultra Soul Break [6* items! These are what utility/healer characters get instead of an OSB. Bundles several beneficial effects into one. There are also DPS character USBs now, because fuck precedent.]
CSB - Chain Soul Break [6* items! These are like Elementally themed SSBs, with a 15 second party elemental damage buff that increases with each hit of that element.]
En-Element - An SB that gives the user a buff that vastly increases their damage of a specific element.
Imperil - An SB that afflicts enemies with a debuff that increases damage taken of a specific element by 20%. These stack up to 3 applications, to 60%.
GxO, MxO [the middle x represents which type of orb is being talked about, i.e. MPO for Major Power Orb.]
_*++ - Blank is a number 1-5 which represents an items base rank (not combined). Every plus after the * represents how much its been combined. [A 3*++ will show up as a 5* in game but will be only about as powerful as a 4*. Rule of thumb is every item combination adds about half a rarity level of power.]
RS - Realm Synergy [Applies when a character or his equipped items matches the current realm. An example would be Cloud in any FF7 dungeon or an equipped Blitzball in any FFX dungeon. This adds about 10 levels of stats to a character or about a rarity level in power to an item.]

Mister P's PDF is a compilation of super useful information about FFRK. Ability damage multipliers, character skillsets, soul break details, information on stacking buffs, mechanics calculations, etc.

Enlir's spreadsheet includes information about damn near everything. What various soul breaks do, what Burst mode commands do for which characters, who gets what Record and Legend Materia, etc. And it's current through JP content, so you can use it to look ahead and see what your favorite characters are destined to receive.

Kaonohiokala's spreadsheet is specifically great for looking at the contents of upcoming Relic banners. You can see the order in which these banners appeared in JP, as well as the contents of them. IF we get an Event (and we skip most of JP's collabs with non-FF content, sadly), we typically get the exact same banners. Our Festivals have different contents, however.

A while ago, FFRK added a friend summon system. We have a spreadsheet here you can plug your friend code into, and find the friend code of other PAers.

If you're looking to fill out your Friends list now that RW lists can be refreshed during selection, I recommend this site, which features a searchable list of Friend Codes that constantly updates and can be sorted by realm stats.

Total credit to @Rius whose work I carried over from the previous thread. I hope to tinker with this going forward.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited October 2018
    Farming-lite 5* Magicite deck guide:
    https://imgur.com/a/uyUWhwz

    Legend Dive Information:
    (includes current JP content. This section courtesy of Jragghen who is less lazy than I am.)

    Who uses what motes
    Dualcast LM2
    Imperil LM2
    Progressive stat boost LM2
    Quickcast LM2
    Trance LM2
    Start with haste/instant LM2
    Chase effect and Other LM2
    Dualcast by school, both LM2 and LMR
    Characters still without Legend Dive/USB in JP
    Future uses for 5* orbs: Series of images in this tweet for hastega per realm
    Who has what Magicite Passive

    New Player 3* and 4* Ability Hone Recommendations:

    Mitigation is king in the game and never stops being useful, so Shellga, Protectga, Power Breakdown, and Magic Breakdown should be at the top of the priority list. The regular breaks are useful too, just because a different set of characters can use them. AoE Mitigation (without damage) is offered by the Dancer line; 3* dances match up with 3* breaks, 4* with 4* breakdowns, etc. Good Dancers include Faris, Lenna, Penelo, Cait Sith, Mog, Rikku and Yuffie. Bards have their own 4* abilities which are identical in effect to Protectga and Shellga.

    Abusing Retaliate's mechanics can cheese you through a LOT of content and it's a 2* ability, so is incredibly cheap to hone up. You can pair it with Draw Fire (also cheap) for extra cheese with cheese on top. Give the rest of your team copies of Double Cut or Tempo Flurry and use them against your Retaliator.

    Self Boosts are useful to increase a character's damage before you pull relics with Party Boosts. Many jobs have access to them; Monks have Punishing Palm which deals damage and increases ATK, Samurai have Mirror of Equity which does the same. Thieves have Steal Power which doesn't do damage but does debuff the target's ATK at the same strength as Power Breakdown. 4* Darkness users have several options depending on which stat they'd like to boost; Casters can use Memento Mori which increases MAG but also Dooms the caster. Physical characters can use Death Throes which increases ATK but also Dooms the caster. And Physical users can opt for Dark Bargain which raises ATK but lowers DEF.

    If you want to get into Black Magic, start with the Water line in each tier as opposed to fire/lightning/ice; Water is infrequently resisted and easier to hone than the primary elements are. Plus it casts faster, so it does more damage over time not counting resistance/weakness.

    If you want to get into Summoning, note that Summons only have one use per rank, plus one extra use at R1. Having said that, the 3* primary element ones are an ok place to start for lesser difficulty fights. As for 4*, Carbuncle is occasionally useful at R1 but the others take a lot of resources to hone. Once you have a large pile of 4* Summon orbs, Maduin is useful where AoE is needed. With regard to elemental 4* summons, the good ones are Alexander, Leviathan and Fat Chocobo. Syldra is an upgrade from Ramuh, and if we ever get Noel then that's an upgrade from Shiva. The only 4* fire summon is Phoenix and it does not hit twice, so it is not recommended.

    With regard to White Magic, Curaga will suffice until it doesn't (party level ~55-60+), and then you'll make Curaja. Renewing Cure is an alternative that heals for less than Curaga but applies Low Regen. Memento of Prayer applies Low Regen to the entire party. The Dia line is really only viable if the target is weak to Holy or if you pick up some MND gear/RMs and +Holy% gear.

    With regard to Status Effects, the Machinist line is a series of 4* abilities that have a high chance to apply a status effect, and deal additional damage if the target already has that effect. White Magic has access to high proc chance Slow and Silence, while Black Magic has access to high proc chance Blind.

    If you need to Dispel beneficial effects from opponents, Knight has a 4* ability called Banishing Blade that deals Holy damage and Dispels. Also, White Magic has a 3* Dispel ability that will do so without dealing damage.

    With regard to Spellblades, the 3* abilities are fine. It's not really necessary to push into the 4* ones.

    After that, it all depends on your relic pulls. We're at a point in the game where pretty much every smaller population job is fleshed out with 3*, 4* and 5* abilities, so there's plenty to choose from.

    Acolyte Archives: A system to acclimate new players to the different modes and functions of the game, and rewards them with Tyro's "Wall" relic, 8 other random items, and 9 lists to choose an additional relic from. Details: here.

    Thanks again to Rius who ran these threads for several years over many iterations.

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  • MummBrahMummBrah Registered User regular
    Montblanc - best girl or best girl

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Well I'm pretty sure Monblanc's a guy, but

    YggiDee wrote: »
    Having teenaged RPG leads is really cool until you stop being a teenager yourself. Do you remember being seventeen? You're a dumbass at seventeen! I wanna be saved by the guy who's twenty-seven. He's at least payed taxes. He knows how to do shit. He can drive.
  • MummBrahMummBrah Registered User regular
    Not the moogle we deserve

    But the moogle we need

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited July 2018
    Continuing the job mote discussion, here's my post from March, edited for new totals/people, assuming you cleared all Weapons.
    Dragoon: 14 characters (Ricard, Luneth, Kain, Cid, Ward, Freya, Kimahri, Fang, Estinien, Noctis, Arania, Nine, Wreig, Tyro). 130 motes. Possible for every person to have access, 50 left over.

    Monk: 20 characters (Master, Guy, Josef, Refia, Yang Ursula, Galuf, Sabin, Umaro, Tifa, Rude, Zell, Raijin, Amarant, Jecht, Prishe, Vayne, Snow, Yda, Tyro). 200 motes. Easily possible for everyone to have access. 90 left over.

    Thief: 13 characters (Thief (I), Lelia, Faris, Locke, Yuffie, Zidane, Marcus, Rikku, Lion, Vaan, Thancred, Ignus, Tyro). 130 motes. Easily possible for everyone to have access, 55 left over.

    Knight: 28(!) characters (Warrior of Light, Leon, Ignus, PCecil, Golbez, Ceodore, Gilgamesh, Dorgann, Celes, Edgar, Leo, Angeal, Seifer, Steiner, Beatrix, Paine, Curilla, Basch, Snow, Minfilia, Haurchefant, Gladiolus, Agrias, Delita, TGCid, Meliadoul, Marche, Tyro). 170 motes. Possible for everyone to have access, 20 motes left over.

    Samurai: 10 characters (Firion, Gilgamesh, Cyan, Cloud, Sephiroth, Auron, Ayame, Gladiolus, TGCid, Tyro). 130 motes. Possible for everyone to have access, 70 left over.

    Ninja: 9 characters (Edge, Kelger, Shadow, Yuffie, Fujin, Kiros, Lion, Thancred, Tyro). 100 motes. Possible for everyone to have access, 45 left over.

    Bard: 10 characters (Sarah, Aria, Edward, Gogo, Kefka, Cait Sith, Garnet, Deuce, Tyro, Elarra). 121 motes. 61 left over. Note each character has different level 3, some of which are more valuable (Deuce healing, for example)

    Machinist: 15 characters (Desch, Cid, Edgar, Setzer, Cid, Reno, Laguna, Rikku, Balthier, Sazh, Cid, Prompto, Mustadio, King, Tyro). 130 motes. Possible for everyone to have access, 45 left over.

    Spellblade: 15 characters (Scott, Bartz, Xezat, Celes, Squall, Steiner, Paine, Ayame, Reks, Delita, TGCid, Machina, Queen, Sora, Tyro) 130 motes. Possible for everyone to have access, 45 left over.

    So if you got all of them, everyone can have access to all of them, but some are tight. Bard, thief, and especially monk, go nuts. The others, maybe not.

    Assuming I didn't miss anyone, of course.

    e: So Samurai and Monk are the "go ahead and dive everyone, maybe make some extra copies" ones, for sure. Knight is the only remaining "probably don't dive everyone" one.

    Jragghen on
    Darklyre
  • ElderlycrawfishElderlycrawfish Registered User regular
    Oh boo, I don't have nearly that many job motes. Oh well, I should still use some that I have though.

    PSN/Steam - Elderlycrawfish
  • DarklyreDarklyre Registered User regular
    edited July 2018
    No reason to dive all the Knights anyways, since half of them are earth or dark knights who can't en-holy Aegis Strike.

    Darklyre on
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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Oh boo, I don't have nearly that many job motes. Oh well, I should still use some that I have though.

    Probably missing the five dooms.

    That gave 80 monk, 80 Knight, 40 spellblade, 40 samurai, 40 thief, 40 ninja, 40 dragoon, and 40 machinist, I think?

    Did that not give sharpshooter? I know bard didn't exist yet at that point.

    ElderlycrawfishGnome-Interruptus
  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    I have had half an eye on shattering like 6 copies of lifebane for the delicious fire crystal marrow, but we'll see once the ironfists come out and the rubber actually meets the road on monk 6* access.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Darklyre wrote: »
    No reason to dive all the Knights anyways, since half of them are earth or dark knights who can't en-holy Aegis Strike.

    Well, my main thought on the exercise is "with new 6* abilities coming up, we may want to give everyone who can access." There's no 6* earth knight abilities....yet.

    Fry
  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Darklyre wrote: »
    No reason to dive all the Knights anyways, since half of them are earth or dark knights who can't en-holy Aegis Strike.

    Well, my main thought on the exercise is "with new 6* abilities coming up, we may want to give everyone who can access." There's no 6* earth knight abilities....yet.

    I give it 3 or 4 months before they add an Earth version of that new 5-hits-plus-Cure Knight ability. Maybe swap the cure for stocked-HP, as that feels more Earthy.

    YggiDee wrote: »
    Having teenaged RPG leads is really cool until you stop being a teenager yourself. Do you remember being seventeen? You're a dumbass at seventeen! I wanna be saved by the guy who's twenty-seven. He's at least payed taxes. He knows how to do shit. He can drive.
  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    i'm just waiting for the day they finally decide to break the game in half and put out ninja 6*s that do like 25x damage with overstrike or something.

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  • FryFry Registered User regular
    Even though it'd be nice to shatter a bunch of Lifebanes for crystals to get the new 6* monk abilities honed nice and high, I think I'm going to sit and be patient. More and more crystals pile up every week, even faster after the daily dungeons get upgraded again. Job motes are still frustratingly scarce. I am also going to be sure to either give all the Knights 6* access or hang on to enough motes to do so, because I absolutely believe there will be more Knight abilities coming.

    The total count on monk motes is giving me an itch to push Tifa up to Lifebane 3 for MOAR DAMAGE, though.

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  • MummBrahMummBrah Registered User regular
    Man I am really getting to know my buddy Living Flame lately

    I KNOW MOM BOMB IS BACK THERE, GIVE HER TO ME

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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Finally sat down and charted out all the upcoming abilities that I care about to see what Magicites I need to farm, and it turns out the answer is...none of them. I have enough crystals that after getting everything I care about to R3 the only one I'm short on is Black. I'll probably farm Fire, though, because that one is definitely in need.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2018
    FF8-1 100 gems: 4* blah

    Crystal Tower Type-0 100 gems: 3* blah

    Crystal Tower FFX 100 gems: 3* just the worst.

    Data for posterity:
    10-11-12 misses in a row

    36/288-9-90 lifetime

    3/33-4-5 this batch

    14/95 2nd batch (about on EV for this batch.)

    9/65 1st batch (0.1 items below EV, which is pretty much exactly expected return, though quite a few duds even on my hits)

    Note to self: No whining, Rikku USB, never forget. Also Cloud BSB2, Mustadio USB, Water Chain (dupe), Seymour Chain, Basch USB, Nine USB, Sephiroth USB, Pecil USB1

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Got the CM down. Fujin SSB MVP

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  • DarklyreDarklyre Registered User regular
    Woohoo! Isgebind is now in sub-20 territory, at 19.23s! Switching out Tyro and putting in Vincent was nearly a five second improvement, and definitely justifies diving him in the near future - that USB of his is great!

    New team:
    Onion Knight - Protectga/Chain Firaga, BSB, MM, LM2/LMR, +40% fire
    Terra - Wrath/Chain Firaga, USB/AOSB, Ace Striker, LM2/LMR, +40% fire
    Vincent - Wrath/Ruby Spark, USB, Battleforged, LMR, +40% fire
    Krile - Valigarmanda/Meltdown, CSB/OSB, DMT, LMR, +40% fire
    Elarra - Ultra Cure/Curada, USB, Gathering Storm, LM1/LM2

    RW - Wall
    Magicite - Mom Bomb

    My old strategy was to use both Fabula Raider and OK mUSB for faithgas, along with the chain, while Tyro used the Mage Hymn to boost things further. As it turns out, a single 30/30 and a chain is enough to let even OK come close to capping without en-fire. Elarra took Eiko's place, which meant I didn't miss the quickcasts from OK mUSB or Tyro's ACM.

    Once I dive both Vincent and Krile I'm pretty sure I'll be in the sub-15s range, which means promising results once 5* magicites appear. :)

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  • SelnerSelner Registered User regular
    Mmmmmm.... That new thread smell...

    I tried a bunch of Torments this morning and it didn't go well. I came close a couple of times. My DPS is kinda lacking. And my mitagation is not the best.

    I can RW godwall, but then I can't do enough damage fast enough. If I RW an OSB it just scratches the boss.

    I think I need to read some more guides or something.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Selner wrote: »
    Mmmmmm.... That new thread smell...

    I tried a bunch of Torments this morning and it didn't go well. I came close a couple of times. My DPS is kinda lacking. And my mitagation is not the best.

    I can RW godwall, but then I can't do enough damage fast enough. If I RW an OSB it just scratches the boss.

    I think I need to read some more guides or something.

    You've got TGCid USB, and Ramza chain, right?

    Pick one of the bosses that is holy weak, bring those two, RW Cloud USB. Have Cid bring lifesiphon and Assault Saber, Ramza bring breaks, the two healers have pro/shell (and wall, hopefully, somehow), and one more DPS with a burst. Either have a Hastega SB, or bring the ability on a healer.

    Have your burst DPS cast at the start, clean up asuch trash as you can. Get to the boss - Ramza chain, RW cloud on TGCid, then USB into ability spam.

    You won't believe the damage it'll unleash. The hard part will be surviving to the boss with your hones intact.

  • DarklyreDarklyre Registered User regular
    OSBs won't cut it against Torment bosses - most of them are packing a good amount of HP (FFT's Belias being the most egregious offender).

    Most "cheat" clears are done by having your DPS Lifesiphon their way through the trash, then having them call RW Cloud USB and unloading all of their SBs after your team has finished debuffing. Other members should preferably be using BSB abilities to clear the trash, since Lifesiphon by itself isn't going to cut it.

    Also, a more general tip would be to rebuff your team on the trash right before the boss (so Wave 4 in the 200, and Wave 6 in the 250), so you don't immediately get blown up by unmitigated attacks. If you're using RW GodWall, have it be the first thing your team does in the boss wave to maximize Wall time.

    If you make it to the Jump Start 300s, then a good option for beating it would be to have at least one applicable DPS (AOE holy for FFT, for example), at least one character capable of Support 4 or Dancer 4, and as many buffs as you can fit in - buff your team, Armor Breakdown/Full Break the boss, RW Cloud USB and blow up the boss.

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  • MummBrahMummBrah Registered User regular
    Can confirm - I'm about to start 4* magicites so I'm behind most in this thread, but the simple combination of RW Cloud USB and TGCid USB + assault saber spam is the nuttiest damage I've been able to pull off by miles. Like even without Ramza's holy chain he blows everyone else out of the water

    Except yuffie because jesus why did I not dive this death goddess sooner

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    ability double is....

    extremely strong.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    MummBrah wrote: »
    Except yuffie because jesus why did I not dive this death goddess sooner
    Ninjas are so broken and I fucking love it.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    Tifa is so dumb. My ixion was usually ~25s, with my record at 21 with near perfect bartz Edge doublecast and bartz usb chase luck.

    Tifa strolls in and casually clocks a 15.8s. And that was with the arcane overkilling it by half.

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  • DarklyreDarklyre Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    ability double is....

    extremely strong.

    I'm now sitting on ability double USBs for Orlandeau/Tifa/Celes/Maria and all I can think of is oh my god I have no orbs or crystals what have I done.

    Seriously, even R4 is only enough for one USB's duration. The idea of having enough to last through Torment or 5* magicites is making me worried.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Thankfully I've only landed on two (Minwu and Tifa) so far. My honing for USBs has been more motivated by ability boost. 30% boost in damage is a hell of a drug.

  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    I already had a ton of Snowspell Strike for Celes to use (Note to self: Celes/Squall/Snow ice team? Forge a third Snowspell Strike at R2 for Squall? Leave Ayame for the "mage" team?), but I have nothing for Tifa. I need to hone up Gaia Rush, as I'd never used it before.

    YggiDee wrote: »
    Having teenaged RPG leads is really cool until you stop being a teenager yourself. Do you remember being seventeen? You're a dumbass at seventeen! I wanna be saved by the guy who's twenty-seven. He's at least payed taxes. He knows how to do shit. He can drive.
  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Am I reading things wrong, or do Estinien's LM2 and USB overwrite one another?

  • DarklyreDarklyre Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Am I reading things wrong, or do Estinien's LM2 and USB overwrite one another?

    You're not reading it wrong. His LM2 is meant to work with his BSB, not his USB.

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Working out candidates for LD round 3.
    Already done:
    Rinoa (half)/Penelo (half)
    Palom

    Knight:
    Fucking nothing except maybe Agrias with enHoly SSB and dualcast LMR

    Hybrid:
    Yuffie (Glint, BSB, but I already have two dualcast ninja)
    Tyro (All three USB)

    Speedster:
    Zell (BSB, SSB)
    Zidaine (USB, synergizes REAL well)
    Lion (burst and SSB, but support is less useful now)
    A couple others, but less use than the above

    Support:
    Wakka I guess (USB, synergizes)
    Minfilia I guess (USB)
    Morrow

    Physical:
    Master (BSB - coming back around on this to help with omniresist)
    Dorgann (USB)
    Tifa (USB, Glint)
    Balthier (USB, BSB1)
    A bunch of folks not as good as the above

    Mage:
    CoD (USB)
    Krile (SSB, BSB, CSB)
    Mog (USB, might be useful since if I'm bringing him, he's dancing)
    Braska (BSB)
    Larsa, Vanille, Iris (BSB, do I want another dualcast healer?)
    A couple others not as useful as the above.

    Difficulty: none of the above really help lightning or holy enough to improve those teams, so I'm probably going to sit on everyone for now.

    I think that's everything.

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Darklyre wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Am I reading things wrong, or do Estinien's LM2 and USB overwrite one another?

    You're not reading it wrong. His LM2 is meant to work with his BSB, not his USB.

    That sucks.

  • ElderlycrawfishElderlycrawfish Registered User regular
    I was about to lament not having any fun ability double relics to played with, but realized I pulled one for Celes a while back.

    I really, really need to try all of these things out before I forget I have them. Off to experiment!

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  • MummBrahMummBrah Registered User regular
    I just did the DK Cecil d260 event and hoo boy that fight sure goes sideways fast! A turn of nothing, then a poke, then IT IS TIME TO MEET CECIL

    Orlandeau is swinging for 100k a turn and instead of marveling at his damage I'm just screaming at his turn gauge to fill up faster

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  • 38thDoe38thDoe lets never be stupid again wait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered User regular
    Selner wrote: »
    Mmmmmm.... That new thread smell...

    I tried a bunch of Torments this morning and it didn't go well. I came close a couple of times. My DPS is kinda lacking. And my mitagation is not the best.

    I can RW godwall, but then I can't do enough damage fast enough. If I RW an OSB it just scratches the boss.

    I think I need to read some more guides or something.

    You can also equip a support with restore one use rm enter the dungeon use wrath flee then repeat to get a full bar, entrust to someone else repeat to make it a jump start. Doesn’t even cost you stamina.



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  • SelnerSelner Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Selner wrote: »
    Mmmmmm.... That new thread smell...

    I tried a bunch of Torments this morning and it didn't go well. I came close a couple of times. My DPS is kinda lacking. And my mitagation is not the best.

    I can RW godwall, but then I can't do enough damage fast enough. If I RW an OSB it just scratches the boss.

    I think I need to read some more guides or something.

    You've got TGCid USB, and Ramza chain, right?

    Pick one of the bosses that is holy weak, bring those two, RW Cloud USB. Have Cid bring lifesiphon and Assault Saber, Ramza bring breaks, the two healers have pro/shell (and wall, hopefully, somehow), and one more DPS with a burst. Either have a Hastega SB, or bring the ability on a healer.

    Have your burst DPS cast at the start, clean up asuch trash as you can. Get to the boss - Ramza chain, RW cloud on TGCid, then USB into ability spam.

    You won't believe the damage it'll unleash. The hard part will be surviving to the boss with your hones intact.

    Thanks for the advice.

    What I tried before was using a BM with meteor and Ayame with demon strike (aoe samurai thing) to get through the trash. TGCid would lifesiphon when possible. I would also RW godwall at the start and then at the boss.

    I would get to the boss and get it to around 25% or so before losing.

    I did just realize I have normal wall. I have sentinel grimoire. Is tyro worth bringing?

    I can look at the Reddit guide for holy weak. And I should look at my bursts at little more closely.

  • JaysonFourJaysonFour Classy Monster Kitteh Registered User regular
    Barthandelus is down. Just have to polish off CPU (Nightmare) to finish this one.

    Things I've been reading online say that this is one of the easier Nightmares to finish once you have it open. My only problem is I have fuck-all for Support characters open at the moment (I have Tyro at Lv. 99, and a number of others about Lv. 50 or so). I've been thinking that as far as RW for it, I ought to go for something like a Fran with Gaze of the Void to knock down the barriers. Any ideas?

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  • 38thDoe38thDoe lets never be stupid again wait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered User regular
    edited July 2018
    This is my ice four star team. Would it be better to swap out USA for terra or Vivi?
    I have terra finding love and AOSB
    I have vivid multi element bsb
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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    I'm assuming Ramza is running with some flavour of Shout, and the RW is Fabula Guardian? If that's the case, then adding Terra might be tricky, as you're not packing any source of MAG buff for her.

    On the other hand, Terra can buff her own MAG once she enters burst mode, and if you can reliably trigger Trance early on, that's another buff, and those add up to pretty much enough, if Locke up there is using his Chain. I suppose Vivi is a similar way, but I think Terra outpaces him because of her AOSB option (said as a person who has no AOSBs).

    I guess the question to ask is whether or not Yda is doing good damage. I would perhaps try experimenting with Terra, to see if you can get her Trance and BSB going fast enough that the Trance-mode speed outpaces what Yda can do with her USB (I think that's what you had for her?)

    YggiDee wrote: »
    Having teenaged RPG leads is really cool until you stop being a teenager yourself. Do you remember being seventeen? You're a dumbass at seventeen! I wanna be saved by the guy who's twenty-seven. He's at least payed taxes. He knows how to do shit. He can drive.
  • 38thDoe38thDoe lets never be stupid again wait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered User regular
    I have Ysa burst and USB. Yda is doing better damage than Galuf was not sure if it is great. Only ran it one time. I suppose I could swap out Ramza for OK BSB or use Tyro godwall and RW raider. My magicite is better than last time, didn't have the Evraes. Hoping to get sub 30.

    I haven't dived Terra/Vivi yet, was hoping to get some opinions before diving them.



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