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ISB Agents and the Inquisitors directly spring from WEG. The show brings back into Canon so many small things WEG created. They put a modern spin on it (the Inquisitors weren't all known as Brothers or Sisters in the old lore), but yeah.
Literally one of the PC options in the core WEG book is to play as a kid. Failed Jedi were another. Check out this article.
"We needed to cut characterisation of Finn's nemesis so we can have more identical shots of rebel shuttles getting blown up!"
Wait what? The casino planet thing at least makes sense but I don't see how the rebel escape ships getting blown up was anything like a timewaster. It's like a handful of shorts shots and that's it.
So my justification for Rebels being so high is emotional.
Watching the show, especially the first season, brought me back to my early days playing WEG's Star Wars and I teared up multiple times during the first season.
I will say that everything from Rebels to The Force Awakens can change positions easily depending on my mood. That's why it's a power ranking, the places on the list change periodically.
I loved the first couple seasons of Rebels for similar reasons.
Then they brought Ashoka back, my eyes glazed over, and I lost interest.
People like to rank TPM lower than AotC because only about 5 minutes of it is actually relevant to the saga, and Jar-Jar. But, for me, AotC is actually a far worse film because of how unnecessarily convoluted it is, and how stupid all of the protagonists act. Where TPM is useless, AotC is actively harmful to the overall narrative and the characterization of, well, everyone. I can watch TPM for the pod race and Maul duel. I can't stomach AotC.
I'm not putting Clone Wars and Rebels on there because, as children's TV shows, I feel like they're different enough that they don't slot neatly on there, but out of the two CW > Rebels. Haven't seen a single episode of Resistance yet. Also haven't seen Solo yet.
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Resistance seems to be aimed towards a younger audience than I was expecting. There's a fair amount of sight gags and the writing suffers from the same flaw that the Thundercats reboot a few years ago had, namely that the main protagonist seems to forget the lessons learned from previous episodes, and that every episode requires him to learn a new variant of the same lesson. It doesn't help that Kaz is, essentially, a bumbling fool, making it hard to even like him.
The writing also suffers from being mostly no-stakes. The premise is that 6 months before TFA, Poe selected Kaz to be a spy on the Colossus, a refueling station/port that's a haven for hotshot pilots, in order to figure out who may be working for the First Order. In 10 episodes so far, Kaz has reported back to the Resistance once, and interacted with Poe one other time. The rest of the series is mostly about Kaz trying to maintain his cover as he bumbles this way and that, often due to things that don't really matter in the long run. There's been very little action outside of Kaz running and literally stumbling/bumping/falling into things (likely because the show runners are trying to build the assets for more elaborate scenes).
Imagine a series focused on a slightly more personable human version of Jar-Jar.
I couldn't even get through the trailer for it. I hate the "bumbling fool" protagonist done that way.
I'm holding out hope that the show becomes something more than it is. Dave Filoni has almost always produced quality, even if it sometimes starts off slow. But the early returns are pretty bad.
Man, what? Ahsoka is a great character. She's literally the only one who told the Jedi they were being idiotic hypocrites
Clone Wars is 12 good episodes strung across seven seasons, I love Star Wars but I don't have that kind of time. I'm told that if I invested in Ashoka, I'd care, but I didn't so she's just Dave Filoni's favorite who shows up to steal the spotlight from the characters I actually cared about.
I wouldnt worry so much but they did take RJ off the project and that makes me worried. It makes me worried they’re going to listen to the criticism and tank the project by going back and making another RotJ
I wouldnt worry so much but they did take RJ off the project and that makes me worried. It makes me worried they’re going to listen to the criticism and tank the project by going back and making another RotJ
Was RJ ever the director of the third movie? The first name ever heard was Trevorrow.
This might be a total stretch, but as I think about it right this very second it is interesting to think of the gross, creepy, unstable character of the Plinkett reviews in the context of the past few years of gross, creepy men being utter psychopaths in these kind of internet fan communities.
I want to spin this out into some sort of like obvious bit of accidental insight on their part but given the way in which the Plinkett character is a complete psychopath I think it's ultimately just a strange coincidence.
Those guys have firmly established themselves on the side of gross male fandom, so no, the plinkett character is definitely not an intentional critique of such
I wouldnt worry so much but they did take RJ off the project and that makes me worried. It makes me worried they’re going to listen to the criticism and tank the project by going back and making another RotJ
Was RJ ever the director of the third movie? The first name ever heard was Trevorrow.
Yes. Trevorrow ate it after his Indy passion project bombed and RJ was then lead on it until a few months after TLJ when the MRA backlash began in earnest.
I wouldnt worry so much but they did take RJ off the project and that makes me worried. It makes me worried they’re going to listen to the criticism and tank the project by going back and making another RotJ
Was RJ ever the director of the third movie? The first name ever heard was Trevorrow.
Yes. Trevorrow ate it after his Indy passion project bombed and RJ was then lead on it until a few months after TLJ when the MRA backlash began in earnest.
Um, no. Trevorrow was fired in September 2017 and JJ was as announced like a week later.
This might be a total stretch, but as I think about it right this very second it is interesting to think of the gross, creepy, unstable character of the Plinkett reviews in the context of the past few years of gross, creepy men being utter psychopaths in these kind of internet fan communities.
I want to spin this out into some sort of like obvious bit of accidental insight on their part but given the way in which the Plinkett character is a complete psychopath I think it's ultimately just a strange coincidence.
Those guys have firmly established themselves on the side of gross male fandom, so no, the plinkett character is definitely not an intentional critique of such
What? It's very clearly an intentional critique of overly-nitpicky angry nerd reviews. They even jokingly cut Plinkett off in the edit whenever he starts really ranting because they want to imply he's doing it without actually making you sit through it.
I wouldnt worry so much but they did take RJ off the project and that makes me worried. It makes me worried they’re going to listen to the criticism and tank the project by going back and making another RotJ
Was RJ ever the director of the third movie? The first name ever heard was Trevorrow.
Yes. Trevorrow ate it after his Indy passion project bombed and RJ was then lead on it until a few months after TLJ when the MRA backlash began in earnest.
Um, no. Trevorrow was fired in September 2017 and JJ was as announced like a week later.
Yeah, they went back to the Abrahms well right away. RJ got his own trilogy, which as of news I'm seeing from September is still a thing that is happening.
I do worry to some extent how Abrahms will close the thing out but he seems to have been happy with TLJ so I can't see him trying to go backsies on anything. I think any faults are mostly gonna be the same you see in TFA or any other Abrahms movie.
But it ain't like ROTJ really perfectly sticks the landing anyway.
This might be a total stretch, but as I think about it right this very second it is interesting to think of the gross, creepy, unstable character of the Plinkett reviews in the context of the past few years of gross, creepy men being utter psychopaths in these kind of internet fan communities.
I want to spin this out into some sort of like obvious bit of accidental insight on their part but given the way in which the Plinkett character is a complete psychopath I think it's ultimately just a strange coincidence.
Those guys have firmly established themselves on the side of gross male fandom, so no, the plinkett character is definitely not an intentional critique of such
What? It's very clearly an intentional critique of overly-nitpicky angry nerd reviews. They even jokingly cut Plinkett off in the edit whenever he starts really ranting because they want to imply he's doing it without actually making you sit through it.
Is it though? Because their later reviews and reviews that don’t have plinkett in them seem to suggest the opposite
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I wouldnt worry so much but they did take RJ off the project and that makes me worried. It makes me worried they’re going to listen to the criticism and tank the project by going back and making another RotJ
Was RJ ever the director of the third movie? The first name ever heard was Trevorrow.
Yes. Trevorrow ate it after his Indy passion project bombed and RJ was then lead on it until a few months after TLJ when the MRA backlash began in earnest.
Um, no. Trevorrow was fired in September 2017 and JJ was as announced like a week later.
Yeah, they went back to the Abrahms well right away. RJ got his own trilogy, which as of news I'm seeing from September is still a thing that is happening.
I do worry to some extent how Abrahms will close the thing out but he seems to have been happy with TLJ so I can't see him trying to go backsies on anything. I think any faults are mostly gonna be the same you see in TFA or any other Abrahms movie.
But it ain't like ROTJ really perfectly sticks the landing anyway.
Johnson was initially announced ad the writer of 9 in addition to writer director of 8
I finally watched my blu-ray copy of Rogue One. It had been still wrapped in its cellophane since I bought it when it was released. I had hoped to watch it with my kids... but they still are not ready for a movie where everyone with a name bites it in the end. So screw 'em!
This movie was really good, you guys!
Edit: I had seen the Vader scene multiple times on youtube, but seeing it inline with the narrative and with the best picture and sound of my home setup was very cool.
Empire
Both Jedis
New Hope
Force Awakens and Rogue One
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
haven't seen Sith or Solo
TV is ranked separate because of the disparity of measuring individual feature films against serialized television programming stretching multiple seasons of content. All three are about as good though, but Resistance has that season 1 blahs still.
Above them All: The Star Wars Holiday Special Animated Short, expressly because its the only thing I can think of that ever said "Fuck it, we're gonna try and do animated Moebius."
It's not so much that Kaz is "bumbling fool" it's that he is a very very specific person:
The son of a Republic senator who is really good at flying fighters.
That is it. That is Kaz's sole skillset.
But because the resistance is the resistance, and the Colossus is a backwater outpost on a water planet who's biggest deals are "stop here to refuel and maybe enjoy a race," that's how you get a good fighter pilot in the Republic Navy (who got there partially thanks to Dad's pull) with no other skills to his name as your "spy" on this no where backwater.
It's not so much that Kaz is "bumbling fool" it's that he is a very very specific person:
The son of a Republic senator who is really good at flying fighters.
That is it. That is Kaz's sole skillset.
But because the resistance is the resistance, and the Colossus is a backwater outpost on a water planet who's biggest deals are "stop here to refuel and maybe enjoy a race," that's how you get a good fighter pilot in the Republic Navy (who got there partially thanks to Dad's pull) with no other skills to his name as your "spy" on this no where backwater.
He's also a bumbling fool. I mean, that's pretty much the point of his character and, I imagine, the show in general. To be a coming of age story about how this person matures into something resembling a competent adult.
It's really just a different take on a character archetype Filoni likes. We had it with Ahsoka, we had it with Ezra. The difference is that those two characters - as inexperienced and naive as they were at the start - weren't nearly as suspension of disbelief breakingly incompetent. Kaz literally has zero redeeming qualities outside of his ability to fly. He's the summation of all of the things I dislike in annoying pipsqeak characters, but is given the spotlight for... reasons.
I'm much more interested in the supporting cast than him.
The latest episode was good, Kaz is over his head and out of his element but still makes due. But I know people are bad at aiming in the Starwars universe but with the amount of shooting happening you'd think somebody would get hit. Hit rate is less than just firing in random directions at this point.
He couldn't even get into his fighter without falling on his head and looking like an idiot. And he says he checks out his plane before getting in but doesn't even notice that it has no stabilizers, let alone defective ones? C'mon man...
I get that it's a cartoon for mostly for kids and Kaz's bumbling is part comedic relief, but Filoni has shown that his shows are much more mature than that overall. Its demeaning to the viewer over the age of 5.
It's gotten to be too much and I am having an incredibly hard time suspending my disbelief enough to buy that the First Order is in any kind of threat from the Resistence if they can't handle a buffoon like Kaz.
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Filoni isnt the show runner. He was involved early on then went to focus in the clone wars revival
I still really dig the look of the show, but the content is starting to grate on me. I hope things change soon. Let Kaz evolve a bit from bumbling fool to actually learning something and getting better at, well, life.
This may be the right place to ask something, I've been looking for a solid DnD star wars game that is more narrative and was looking at the Fantasy Flight system but I don't want to invest in it without knowing more about it. does anyone know if it compares well with DnD 5e or if it even works at all?
@Dunadan019The Roleplaying Games thread on the Critical Failures forum has a lot of FFG's RPG players that you can ask some specific questions to. I don't see anything wrong with talking about it here but I think you'll find more concrete advice on that forum. Personally I've run it a few times, and I wish there were more tactical decisions to be made at the player level, but I'm in the minority. The narrative dice system that FFG uses will certainly give you a lot if information in each roll to craft a story around, and that may be what you're looking for. You can do very well with just one core book without needing to get all the splats that accompany it. With that being said I think the Edge of the Empire game is the tightest, but if you're group really wants to play as part of the Rebellion or as a bunch of Jedi those options are covered by the other two core books.
This may be the right place to ask something, I've been looking for a solid DnD star wars game that is more narrative and was looking at the Fantasy Flight system but I don't want to invest in it without knowing more about it. does anyone know if it compares well with DnD 5e or if it even works at all?
It works pretty well if your group works with it, but it's different than DnD.
While DnD rolls are pretty straight forward (Roll d20, add bonues, compare to a target number, then it's pass/fail), FFG's system is a bit more involved.
You roll a variety of positive and negative dice depending on skills and circumstances around your action, then you compare the number of success vs failure symbos to determine if the roll was successful, then count advantage, triumph, threat and despair symbols to determine beneficial or negative consequences from the roll.
You can succeed at a roll (by getting more success than failure results) but roll enough threats/despair that the successful roll comes out in a bad way (like Han's "success" at hotwiring the door in RotJ resulting in the heavier blast door dropping. He may have been narrowly successful in hotwiring the controls, but that red dice came up Despair).
If you want more information (I've only got one of the books and never managed to convince my group to play a session) you might check in the Critical Failures section, we have a thread for random RPG discussion and questions.
This may be the right place to ask something, I've been looking for a solid DnD star wars game that is more narrative and was looking at the Fantasy Flight system but I don't want to invest in it without knowing more about it. does anyone know if it compares well with DnD 5e or if it even works at all?
It works pretty well if your group woks with it, but it's different than DnD.
While DnD rolls are pretty straight forward (Roll d20, add bonues, compare to a target number, then it's pass/fail), FFG's system is a bit more involved.
You roll a variety of positive and negative dice depending on skills and circumstances around your action, then you compare the number of success vs failure symbos to determine if the roll was successful, then count advantage, triumph, threat and despair symbols to determine beneficial or negative consequences from the roll.
You can succeed at a roll (by getting more success than failure results) but roll enough threats/despair that the successful roll comes out in a bad way (like Han's "success" at hotwiring the door in RotJ resulting in the heavier blast door dropping. He may have been narrowly successful in hotwiring the controls, but that red dice came up Despair).
If you want more information (I've only got one of the books and never managed to convince my group to play a session) you might check in the Critical Failures section, we have a thread for random RPG discussion and questions.
I think a better example of that dice roll would have been Han's success at conning those few Stormtroopers to run away down the hall in the first Death Star. The despair result on the dice then led to Han turning the corner and finding a whole bunch more stormtroopers
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Literally one of the PC options in the core WEG book is to play as a kid. Failed Jedi were another. Check out this article.
Wait what? The casino planet thing at least makes sense but I don't see how the rebel escape ships getting blown up was anything like a timewaster. It's like a handful of shorts shots and that's it.
Then they brought Ashoka back, my eyes glazed over, and I lost interest.
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Anyway, the only ranking that matters - mine :P
ESB > ANH > Clone Wars > Rebels (only slightly) > R1 > TLJ > TFA > RotS > RotJ >>>>>>>>>> TPM >>>>>>>>> AotC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resistance (so far.... it's really been a pretty terrible start)
Haven't seen Solo yet
People like to rank TPM lower than AotC because only about 5 minutes of it is actually relevant to the saga, and Jar-Jar. But, for me, AotC is actually a far worse film because of how unnecessarily convoluted it is, and how stupid all of the protagonists act. Where TPM is useless, AotC is actively harmful to the overall narrative and the characterization of, well, everyone. I can watch TPM for the pod race and Maul duel. I can't stomach AotC.
R1
Empire
ANH
RotJ
Solo
TFA
Not very good order:
TLJ
TPM/Revenge
Clones
I'm not putting Clone Wars and Rebels on there because, as children's TV shows, I feel like they're different enough that they don't slot neatly on there, but out of the two CW > Rebels. Haven't seen a single episode of Resistance yet. Also haven't seen Solo yet.
If you swapped TLJ and TFA, moved TFA to dead last, and put Solo like two notches back, we'd be in more or less perfect agreement.
The writing also suffers from being mostly no-stakes. The premise is that 6 months before TFA, Poe selected Kaz to be a spy on the Colossus, a refueling station/port that's a haven for hotshot pilots, in order to figure out who may be working for the First Order. In 10 episodes so far, Kaz has reported back to the Resistance once, and interacted with Poe one other time. The rest of the series is mostly about Kaz trying to maintain his cover as he bumbles this way and that, often due to things that don't really matter in the long run. There's been very little action outside of Kaz running and literally stumbling/bumping/falling into things (likely because the show runners are trying to build the assets for more elaborate scenes).
Imagine a series focused on a slightly more personable human version of Jar-Jar.
I'm holding out hope that the show becomes something more than it is. Dave Filoni has almost always produced quality, even if it sometimes starts off slow. But the early returns are pretty bad.
Rebels is worse for including her.
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I liked it walking out of the theater. I even liked it a week later, though less.
But knowing that there's no plan, that it's just what it is and god help whoever has to make the next movie, I can't stand it.
I wouldnt worry so much but they did take RJ off the project and that makes me worried. It makes me worried they’re going to listen to the criticism and tank the project by going back and making another RotJ
Was RJ ever the director of the third movie? The first name ever heard was Trevorrow.
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Those guys have firmly established themselves on the side of gross male fandom, so no, the plinkett character is definitely not an intentional critique of such
Yes. Trevorrow ate it after his Indy passion project bombed and RJ was then lead on it until a few months after TLJ when the MRA backlash began in earnest.
Um, no. Trevorrow was fired in September 2017 and JJ was as announced like a week later.
What? It's very clearly an intentional critique of overly-nitpicky angry nerd reviews. They even jokingly cut Plinkett off in the edit whenever he starts really ranting because they want to imply he's doing it without actually making you sit through it.
Yeah, they went back to the Abrahms well right away. RJ got his own trilogy, which as of news I'm seeing from September is still a thing that is happening.
I do worry to some extent how Abrahms will close the thing out but he seems to have been happy with TLJ so I can't see him trying to go backsies on anything. I think any faults are mostly gonna be the same you see in TFA or any other Abrahms movie.
But it ain't like ROTJ really perfectly sticks the landing anyway.
Is it though? Because their later reviews and reviews that don’t have plinkett in them seem to suggest the opposite
Johnson was initially announced ad the writer of 9 in addition to writer director of 8
So at no point was Rian taken off a project due to any TLJ backlash.
Now if something happens to his new trilogy, maybe then we can try and figure out why.
This movie was really good, you guys!
Edit: I had seen the Vader scene multiple times on youtube, but seeing it inline with the narrative and with the best picture and sound of my home setup was very cool.
Fake Edit2: No deleted scenes? Bullshit!
Whoever had money on
"I don't want the world, I just want your half"
Both Jedis
New Hope
Force Awakens and Rogue One
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
haven't seen Sith or Solo
TV is ranked separate because of the disparity of measuring individual feature films against serialized television programming stretching multiple seasons of content. All three are about as good though, but Resistance has that season 1 blahs still.
Above them All: The Star Wars Holiday Special Animated Short, expressly because its the only thing I can think of that ever said "Fuck it, we're gonna try and do animated Moebius."
The son of a Republic senator who is really good at flying fighters.
That is it. That is Kaz's sole skillset.
But because the resistance is the resistance, and the Colossus is a backwater outpost on a water planet who's biggest deals are "stop here to refuel and maybe enjoy a race," that's how you get a good fighter pilot in the Republic Navy (who got there partially thanks to Dad's pull) with no other skills to his name as your "spy" on this no where backwater.
He's also a bumbling fool. I mean, that's pretty much the point of his character and, I imagine, the show in general. To be a coming of age story about how this person matures into something resembling a competent adult.
It's really just a different take on a character archetype Filoni likes. We had it with Ahsoka, we had it with Ezra. The difference is that those two characters - as inexperienced and naive as they were at the start - weren't nearly as suspension of disbelief breakingly incompetent. Kaz literally has zero redeeming qualities outside of his ability to fly. He's the summation of all of the things I dislike in annoying pipsqeak characters, but is given the spotlight for... reasons.
I'm much more interested in the supporting cast than him.
I get that it's a cartoon for mostly for kids and Kaz's bumbling is part comedic relief, but Filoni has shown that his shows are much more mature than that overall. Its demeaning to the viewer over the age of 5.
It's gotten to be too much and I am having an incredibly hard time suspending my disbelief enough to buy that the First Order is in any kind of threat from the Resistence if they can't handle a buffoon like Kaz.
I still really dig the look of the show, but the content is starting to grate on me. I hope things change soon. Let Kaz evolve a bit from bumbling fool to actually learning something and getting better at, well, life.
Upping the action a bit wouldn't hurt either.
It works pretty well if your group works with it, but it's different than DnD.
While DnD rolls are pretty straight forward (Roll d20, add bonues, compare to a target number, then it's pass/fail), FFG's system is a bit more involved.
You roll a variety of positive and negative dice depending on skills and circumstances around your action, then you compare the number of success vs failure symbos to determine if the roll was successful, then count advantage, triumph, threat and despair symbols to determine beneficial or negative consequences from the roll.
You can succeed at a roll (by getting more success than failure results) but roll enough threats/despair that the successful roll comes out in a bad way (like Han's "success" at hotwiring the door in RotJ resulting in the heavier blast door dropping. He may have been narrowly successful in hotwiring the controls, but that red dice came up Despair).
If you want more information (I've only got one of the books and never managed to convince my group to play a session) you might check in the Critical Failures section, we have a thread for random RPG discussion and questions.
I think a better example of that dice roll would have been Han's success at conning those few Stormtroopers to run away down the hall in the first Death Star. The despair result on the dice then led to Han turning the corner and finding a whole bunch more stormtroopers