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The Burgerrrrrr I mean [Bad Food] Thread

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  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    Every time I've been to a Little Caesars there's been one person in the back cooking pizzas and one other person manning the register and helping to cook pizzas when there were no customers to help

    unless they eliminate counter services 100% they're already at the minimum amount of people needed.

  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Most of the time these things just shift menial workers around a bit.

    You still need cashiers, but you need less of them. But you need workers to stock and make pizzas much more quickly so you shift them to the kitchen area instead. These devices also need to be maintained so you've created jobs there.

    It's usually not just "well now there's 1 less cashier!", they don't really work like that.

    it's been my experience that they just want the employees that remain to do more but quicker and with the same pay.

    Minimum wage places rarely straight up fire people because of these things.

    But tech items like this are a net good because the skill level to maintain them requires a higher set of workers. So sure, hypothetically you lose a cashier or two, but you gain maintenance staff and some engineers.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • DouglasDouglas PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Okay, I'm not articulating myself well here, maybe I'll get into it later

  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Most of the time these things just shift menial workers around a bit.

    You still need cashiers, but you need less of them. But you need workers to stock and make pizzas much more quickly so you shift them to the kitchen area instead. These devices also need to be maintained so you've created jobs there.

    It's usually not just "well now there's 1 less cashier!", they don't really work like that.

    it's been my experience that they just want the employees that remain to do more but quicker and with the same pay.

    Minimum wage places rarely straight up fire people because of these things.

    But tech items like this are a net good because the skill level to maintain them requires a higher set of workers. So sure, hypothetically you lose a cashier or two, but you gain maintenance staff and some engineers.

    maybe

    not much anyone can do about it one way or the other I guess

  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits Registered User regular
    That would be the case on like...an assembly line maybe.

    Not at a frickin Little Caesar’s.

    When the machine breaks they probably just call in a contractor to look at the equipment as needed.

  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Most of the time these things just shift menial workers around a bit.

    You still need cashiers, but you need less of them. But you need workers to stock and make pizzas much more quickly so you shift them to the kitchen area instead. These devices also need to be maintained so you've created jobs there.

    It's usually not just "well now there's 1 less cashier!", they don't really work like that.

    it's been my experience that they just want the employees that remain to do more but quicker and with the same pay.

    Minimum wage places rarely straight up fire people because of these things.

    But tech items like this are a net good because the skill level to maintain them requires a higher set of workers. So sure, hypothetically you lose a cashier or two, but you gain maintenance staff and some engineers.

    maybe

    not much anyone can do about it one way or the other I guess

    We will eventually lose practically all of our unskilled labor jobs, yes, I know. But the alternative is to stymie progress and technology because some low skilled workers can't make rent or get food.

    There are better solutions to this puzzle (UBI) even if they're political unfeasible right this second.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Most of the time these things just shift menial workers around a bit.

    You still need cashiers, but you need less of them. But you need workers to stock and make pizzas much more quickly so you shift them to the kitchen area instead. These devices also need to be maintained so you've created jobs there.

    It's usually not just "well now there's 1 less cashier!", they don't really work like that.

    it's been my experience that they just want the employees that remain to do more but quicker and with the same pay.

    Minimum wage places rarely straight up fire people because of these things.

    But tech items like this are a net good because the skill level to maintain them requires a higher set of workers. So sure, hypothetically you lose a cashier or two, but you gain maintenance staff and some engineers.

    maybe

    not much anyone can do about it one way or the other I guess

    We will eventually lose practically all of our unskilled labor jobs, yes, I know. But the alternative is to stymie progress and technology because some low skilled workers can't make rent or get food.

    There are better solutions to this puzzle (UBI) even if they're political unfeasible right this second.

    that would be a great solution, yes. It needs to be in place before though for it to work

    also, the bolded is true, what they do is scale hours back.

  • DouglasDouglas PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Yeah, they cut hours until they quit, and then don't fill that position

  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    That would be the case on like...an assembly line maybe.

    Not at a frickin Little Caesar’s.

    When the machine breaks they probably just call in a contractor to look at the equipment as needed.

    Large scale corps like caesars do have their own on staff maintenance and engineer people, the economies of scale make it much cheaper.

    Mom and Pop shops that implement something like this in their own restaurant likely use contracted services. There is, ultimately, a tipping point in contracting services in a small business. IT in particular is one you can readily see this. Once you've got 15+ staff members it becomes cheaper to have a single on site IT person than paying for contracted IT by a large margin.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    this conversation has been happening the same way since the industrial revolution, guys.

  • DouglasDouglas PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    #pipe wrote: »
    this conversation has been happening the same way since the industrial revolution, guys.

    Yes, and lives have been cast aside in the name of profits since then, and it's not ok and capitalism is unethical and needs to be dismantled

    Workers need to be allowed to, and encouraged to join labor unions to protect themselves in the interim

  • LuvTheMonkeyLuvTheMonkey High Sierra Serenade Registered User regular
    Large scale corps like Little Caesar's absolutely contract this shit out, usually to the manufacturer. People like Walmart or Ahold-Delhaize aren't doing their own IT in-store, it goes to NCR or Toshiba or Oracle/Micros for the front-of-house equipment.

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  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    #pipe wrote: »
    this conversation has been happening the same way since the industrial revolution, guys.

    Yes, and lives have been cast aside in the name of profits since then, and it's not ok and capitalism is unethical and needs to be dismantled

    Workers need to be allowed to, and encouraged to join labor unions to protect themselves in the interim

    And your solution to the problem is what?

    Stop progress to protect jobs? Have people dig ditches and then another set fill them in so they're doing something?

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    Large scale corps like Little Caesar's absolutely contract this shit out, usually to the manufacturer. People like Walmart or Ahold-Delhaize aren't doing their own IT in-store, it goes to NCR or Toshiba or Oracle/Micros for the front-of-house equipment.

    Not in my experience. Burger king, at least the local franchise I worked for, definitely had an on staff engineer to fix their equipment. And if it's custom built equipment and not COTS equipment that you can just buy from toshiba? That's internal. AFAIK the pizza portal wasn't contracted out to another firm to design and build.

    Bowen on
    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    #pipe wrote: »
    this conversation has been happening the same way since the industrial revolution, guys.

    Yes, and lives have been cast aside in the name of profits since then, and it's not ok and capitalism is unethical and needs to be dismantled

    Workers need to be allowed to, and encouraged to join labor unions to protect themselves in the interim

    And your solution to the problem is what?

    Stop progress to protect jobs? Have people dig ditches and then another set fill them in so they're doing something?

    could probably do with another big public works infrastructure initiative

    get those deathtrap bridges fixed up, y'know

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  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    #pipe wrote: »
    this conversation has been happening the same way since the industrial revolution, guys.

    Yes, and lives have been cast aside in the name of profits since then, and it's not ok and capitalism is unethical and needs to be dismantled

    Workers need to be allowed to, and encouraged to join labor unions to protect themselves in the interim

    And your solution to the problem is what?

    Stop progress to protect jobs? Have people dig ditches and then another set fill them in so they're doing something?

    could probably do with another big public works infrastructure initiative

    get those deathtrap bridges fixed up, y'know

    I'm game for that.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    #pipe wrote: »
    this conversation has been happening the same way since the industrial revolution, guys.

    Yes, and lives have been cast aside in the name of profits since then, and it's not ok and capitalism is unethical and needs to be dismantled

    Workers need to be allowed to, and encouraged to join labor unions to protect themselves in the interim

    I agree

    automation isn't preventing this

  • LuvTheMonkeyLuvTheMonkey High Sierra Serenade Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    bowen wrote: »
    Large scale corps like Little Caesar's absolutely contract this shit out, usually to the manufacturer. People like Walmart or Ahold-Delhaize aren't doing their own IT in-store, it goes to NCR or Toshiba or Oracle/Micros for the front-of-house equipment.

    Not in my experience. Burger king, at least the local franchise I worked for, definitely had an on staff engineer to fix their equipment. And if it's custom built equipment and not COTS equipment that you can just buy from toshiba? That's internal. AFAIK the pizza portal wasn't contracted out to another firm to design and build.

    Depends on the business arrangement. In a franchised setup the franchisees can opt for self servicing though are still taking the store infrastructure from the brand's mandate. Even in those cases though, large scale infrastructure updates (or things like new store installs) will tend to get flexed out to the OEM and their own network as the franchisees are not usually carrying enough labor flexibility to, say, replace all of the Front of House systems in their district in a single week. Self servicers will also tend to be still ordering repair parts and such through corproate.

    Company-owned setups (like a Walmart) are very different. Store systems are so numerous the training requirements and scale for internal management are beyond what they want to invest in (which doesn't even touch on the logistics requirements). They usually outsource the whole operation to their chosen OEMs, usually segmented by Front of House, Back of House, Security, etc. Specialty systems are usually serviced by their provider - coupon printer systems by Catalina Marketing, those new "everyone stands in the same line for registers" systems by Irisys etc.

    LuvTheMonkey on
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  • DouglasDouglas PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    #pipe wrote: »
    this conversation has been happening the same way since the industrial revolution, guys.

    Yes, and lives have been cast aside in the name of profits since then, and it's not ok and capitalism is unethical and needs to be dismantled

    Workers need to be allowed to, and encouraged to join labor unions to protect themselves in the interim

    And your solution to the problem is what?

    Stop progress to protect jobs? Have people dig ditches and then another set fill them in so they're doing something?

    Yes, something like a huge public works thing would be amazing

  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Cheap pizza and fiber optic internet for all?

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    "a car in every garage and a chicken in every pot" for the new millenium

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  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    Stercus, Stercus, Stercus, Morituri Sum
  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    when Sophia found the entry she asked me what I thought it would be and I said, "probably something stupid and pointless like...white sauce and clams and no cheese"

    I mean seafood flatbread is delicious but it isn't pizza, that's true.

    if its seafood flatbread with tomato sauce and cheese is it then a melt?

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    azith28 wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    when Sophia found the entry she asked me what I thought it would be and I said, "probably something stupid and pointless like...white sauce and clams and no cheese"

    I mean seafood flatbread is delicious but it isn't pizza, that's true.

    if its seafood flatbread with tomato sauce and cheese is it then a melt?

    It's a hot dog.

  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    #pipe wrote: »
    STOP IT

    Sorry, some people just like to watch the food world burn. (Or at least Well Done).

    azith28 on
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  • E.CoyoteE.Coyote Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    3clipse wrote: »
    azith28 wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    when Sophia found the entry she asked me what I thought it would be and I said, "probably something stupid and pointless like...white sauce and clams and no cheese"

    I mean seafood flatbread is delicious but it isn't pizza, that's true.

    if its seafood flatbread with tomato sauce and cheese is it then a melt?

    It's a hot dog.

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    (Seems fishy.)

    E.Coyote on
  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Blerg.

  • E.CoyoteE.Coyote Registered User regular
    But.. is it a sandwich, or a hot dog?

  • KaplarKaplar On Google MapsRegistered User regular
    Or a fish stick?

  • E.CoyoteE.Coyote Registered User regular
    Sticky fish could be accurate.

  • JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Kaplar wrote: »
    Or a fish stick?

    No, that's what you put a fish corn dog on.

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  • ouzaruouzaru RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    #pipe wrote: »
    this conversation has been happening the same way since the industrial revolution, guys.

    Yes, and lives have been cast aside in the name of profits since then, and it's not ok and capitalism is unethical and needs to be dismantled

    Workers need to be allowed to, and encouraged to join labor unions to protect themselves in the interim
    #pipe wrote: »
    this conversation has been happening the same way since the industrial revolution, guys.

    Yes, and lives have been cast aside in the name of profits since then, and it's not ok and capitalism is unethical and needs to be dismantled

    Workers need to be allowed to, and encouraged to join labor unions to protect themselves in the interim

    That is all true and has nothing to do with Little Cesar’s installing automated warming ovens.

    No job lasts for ever, and we shouldn’t pretend as if maintaining a job that is no longer necessary is a desirable, sustainable, or ethical solution to the problem of “menial labor is being replaced by automation”.

  • E.CoyoteE.Coyote Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    I was going to ask if surprise fish dogs are worse than surprise hot dogs. Then I googled fish dogs, and was pleasantly surprised!
    Made ya look. =P

    E.Coyote on
  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    E.Coyote wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    azith28 wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    when Sophia found the entry she asked me what I thought it would be and I said, "probably something stupid and pointless like...white sauce and clams and no cheese"

    I mean seafood flatbread is delicious but it isn't pizza, that's true.

    if its seafood flatbread with tomato sauce and cheese is it then a melt?

    It's a hot dog.

    u1rs76rx81lx.jpg
    (Seems fishy.)

    I pity the poor unfortunate soul that ordered that

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  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    E.Coyote wrote: »
    But.. is it a sandwich, or a hot dog?

    STOP

    IT

  • E.CoyoteE.Coyote Registered User regular
    E.Coyote wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    azith28 wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    when Sophia found the entry she asked me what I thought it would be and I said, "probably something stupid and pointless like...white sauce and clams and no cheese"

    I mean seafood flatbread is delicious but it isn't pizza, that's true.

    if its seafood flatbread with tomato sauce and cheese is it then a melt?

    It's a hot dog.

    u1rs76rx81lx.jpg
    (Seems fishy.)

    I pity the poor unfortunate soul that ordered that

    Especially if they were a finicky eater. /deadpan

  • Lost SalientLost Salient blink twice if you'd like me to mercy kill youRegistered User regular
    The only thing wrong with fish and fried lotus and perilla leaf on bread is that there's no sauce

    That's a dry-ass sandwich

    Oh and also that like 90% of popular fish is inherently unsustainable and arguably an environmentally irresponsible food to consume

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    E.Coyote wrote: »
    E.Coyote wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    azith28 wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    when Sophia found the entry she asked me what I thought it would be and I said, "probably something stupid and pointless like...white sauce and clams and no cheese"

    I mean seafood flatbread is delicious but it isn't pizza, that's true.

    if its seafood flatbread with tomato sauce and cheese is it then a melt?

    It's a hot dog.

    u1rs76rx81lx.jpg
    (Seems fishy.)

    I pity the poor unfortunate soul that ordered that

    Especially if they were a finicky eater. /deadpan

    No, it's dead in a bun

  • jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    The only thing wrong with fish and fried lotus and perilla leaf on bread is that there's no sauce

    That's a dry-ass sandwich

    Oh and also that like 90% of popular fish is inherently unsustainable and arguably an environmentally irresponsible food to consume

    What's the least popular fish that is also the least sustainable? Wanna meet that unlovable fish.

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