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Penny Arcade - Comic - The Cockpit
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Penny Arcade - Comic - The Cockpit
Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.
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It's not. It's also not weird to play flight simulators from....inside the aircraft.
For stuff like Mario Kart and other arcadey racers, third person is the go to. There's no missing out equivalent and the handling characteristics often defy any real possibilities.
Whatever you need to tell yourselves, perverts.
Not to mention being able to see when the car is sliding or yawing is much easier from the 3rd person view. In real life you can feel these things happening but from the first person camera it's hard to tell until it's too late.
You want to play in the first person.
JABALL77 articulates it, though. First Person seems like it should be the most "realistic", but it's not--unless you're driving a WWII tank and viewing through a small gun port. The lack of peripheral vision and absence of your other senses can be somewhat mitigated by third person view. First person view just exacerbates those handicaps.
I'm also very much a car guy in real life.
But I play racing games in 3rd person when I'm trying to win and cockpit only if goofing around.
1) I don't have a wrap around set-up so driving in cockpit view is not akin to the experience of actually driving. Being able to glance left and right naturally and see your surroundings is kinda of a big thing. Third person gives you the ability to actually see beside you which tends to be important.
2) I love seeing whatever car I'm driving. I picked a rad car because it's a rad car that I probably love so I want to see it as much as possible.
There's a few games that do stuff to try and compensate for this in neat ways: Red Orchestra has artificial peripheral vision through small dots that appear on the sides of your screen when someone is moving in your periphery. They're not obtrusive but the blurry movement is enough to drag your mind's attention to investigate that direction.
I also play racing games to win and 1st person is generally much, much better at helping me win. For one thing, in 3rd person, I always overcompensate when I start sliding, because 3rd person shows the exact car angle; whereas (practically all) 1st person car game views basically helps me by pointing at where I'll be going as soon as I stop turning. This makes it much easier for me to adjust the car accurately. It's sort of like how most platform games allows you to jump a little bit after running off the platform.
And on pure racing games, I don't usually feel like I need situational awareness apart from knowing what's straight ahead of me. Cars on my sides will soon stop being on my sides and end up either in front of or behind me. And if they don't, then usually I can ignore them.
I mean, even if you're the person who wants to be "inside" the car... Well, I (a cis male) might like sex, but when looking at porn, I still prefer to look at the outside of the person.
3rd person for life now.
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You know...the view you experience when you drive a car?
If you don't understand that, then I invite you to a simple chase on the Autobahn.
I drive inside my car and you drive yours while you sit or stand on the roof.
I really would like to see how you manage...
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To make it equivalent, we'd also need to find a way to suspend your seat so you get zero feedback from the tyres, any changes in acceleration or (depending on your home gaming setup) any feedback from the steering wheel.
First person view makes it very hard to sense the steering suddenly getting light as you go over a crest; information you'd have when really driving a car that you don't get in a game.
Got a full sim setup that throws you around? Then yeah, first person view for life.
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This is true, the one time I used cockpit view was a drifting mode in a game. Because like you said you see the wheel and can make better adjustments. Plus there were no other cars and the speed was lower so the loss of peripheral vision was less of a big deal.
However in most racing you shouldn't be sliding so this shouldn't be a normal thing in all racing games.
You ignored every other post explaining this. Try reading those first before you reply.
Having done it, I can say pretty confidently: VR is potentially a lot of fun for a racing game rig--that being said, the VR is optional, the "rig" is not. Just playing with a VR headset and a gamepad--or god help you, a keyboard--is inferior to playing with a monitor and a good wheel.
It's a lot of fun though, provided your wheel, etc., is good. That being said, if you think your peripheral vision is bad with a monitor--oh boy, wait till you get in VR. Try playing a PC game while wearing snorkel goggles and a visor cap, and that's basically it. That doesn't mean it's not fun, it is, but your peripheral vision goes down the toilet. "But what about head tracking?" Sure, get TrackIR, so you have it and you're not looking through long-ways through a shoebox taped to your face.
Still a lot of fun though. I'll play in first person just because games like Forza have amazing sound direction and almost sound like different games in first and third person. But if I need to weave in between cars, or for that matter traffic cones, sure, third person by all means. It's not uncommon for people to set rules in multiplayer for precisely those reason.
The comic smacks a bit of "People doing things different than I do them? Heresy!" though I'm sure it's in their usual awkward jest.
Oh boy...special snowflake alarm incoming.
Yes, I read them all, still doesnt change the fact how I see and experience it.
So maybe I am ignorant(?) but you earned the Medal of Arrogance.
You don't need a full motion sim to make it worth it to play in first person. Lets face it, most people don't have 50 grand to sink into a racing simulator. (Yes, the rabbit hole does go that deep) I would argue that if you simply invest in an entry level wheel and pedal set (I'm thinking a Logitech g29 or thrustmaster 300 series) You would still get a better experience from most racing games in first person.
I didn't realize Mad Max had a first person mode. That sideways ram was hard enough to pull off to begin with.
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I had a fairly basic wheel (Logitech Driving Force GT I think?) for the PS3 and played a fair bit of Gran Turismo 5 and 6 with it. Sitting up close to the TV with that was a lot of fun, and you're right that I probably enjoyed the in-car view more, but I was always more competitive from the trailing view. I found it just gave me more information on how the car was behaving than I'd get from the inside view, which is info you get from the feel of the car in real life track driving.
Not having a wheel for the PS4 is probably why I've barely touched GT Sport, because going back to a controller is hard.
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