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I imagine they will wait until they have gone through their evidence. They probably don't want to rush this as they have him, and he's charged
Aside from being a power play? Pardoning the domestic terrorist to own the Dems.
It’s stupid and petty, but that’s exactly why I think he’d do it.
Nah. He only goes so far in supporting the openly violent neo-nazis. Mostly because even Fox News almost certainly won't have people on saying this guy should go free. The right as a whole usually just plays interference for their domestic terrorists rather then actively backing them.
Plus he's got no political connections so there's no one whispering in Trump's ear via the phone or cable news to let the guy go.
There's no law specifically against domestic terrorism, but the legal definition requires the breaking of a state or federal law. It's a category with no additional penalties associated with it.
Also makes it damn hard for groups like the KKK to be prosecuted as a whole, rather than as individuals commit crimes.
I'm sure this has been said in thread, but this guy is literally the right's definition of what a crazy racist actually looks like. They're not going to support him, even if conservative outlets and politicians are tacitly/overtly supporting one of his fundamental conspiracy theories, re: Soros and the migrant caravan.
Trump and the GOP and conservatives in general do have a logic to their stances, even if they're patently wrong. They're not just out there doing whatever. To them, racism looks like this. It looks like the KKK and anyone who will just blatantly say "I hate x group of people" to anyone who will listen. There are absolutely white supremacists in the GOP, including Trump, but they know that the normal every day GOP voter is not that. The normal GOP voter looks at this situation and finds it morbidly vindicating. "See, this is what a racist looks like. They look like Dylan Roof and this guy. They're crazy, they're seething with hatred, and they act on it. I'm not like that, I am 100% not a racist and my support of the GOP is not racist. This guy didn't even like Trump!!!"
This is what makes racism in general so seductive and insidious. You can be so entrenched in it, raised in such a system where it is endemic to the system and serves as the bedrock of your world view, that you will never, ever see it unless you spend serious time and effort in self reflection and learning from someone who says that you're wrong. It looks like a million other things, with a million other names, and there's always always always plausible deniability for what it actually is. "It's not racism, it's a hard truth about nuclear families and dead beat dads. It's not racism, it's cultural differences that mean that african americans don't want better jobs or financial stability. It's not racism, it's just that we can't be expected to let anyone into our country. It's not racism, it's just that Islam pushes people to violence, have you even read the Qur'an?"
The system will put this guy away and make a huge show of it, because of how much they see him as the real problem, and not their entire structure that created him.
This is the thing
He doesn't support the neo-nazis
He just doesn't disown them and refuses to say anything negative about them until political pressure forces him to say "Ok so they're bad but there's a lot of bad people on both sides so who is to say *Ha-Wink*"
This is actually how I got my roommate that was a diehard supporter (for stupid reasons that relate to 15 years ago) to go from diehard supporter to "Well I voted for him so I think I have to support him... I think... but wait it seems like he doesn't wanna offends neo-nazis... that seems... hrm"
Like I haven't gotten her to "FUCK THIS GUY" yet but I got her from almost conspiracy theory levels of blind defense to at least the shit he actually does warranting consideration.
...I can't believe getting someone to actually consider, not agree with, but just consider that what Trump does might be fucking dumb and/or harmful feels like progress and yet
edit: “bad people doing bad things on both sides” in this specific instance.
Jesus christ, fuck Donald Trump and his cult-speak bullshit.
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he'd be saying the same thing if another 9/11 happened. There's literally no situation where he isn't the real victim
I know this, and I know I shouldn't be surprised by it, but it still really does surprise me.
If anything, 9/11 was him gloating since he now had the tallest building in NYC.
He will always find a way to dig to new levels of shit.
No he wouldn't. He's only saying that because the bomber is white.
With an extra helping of the media causing the anger, so they're the ones really at fault. Dude can't even pull off a false equivalency.
How can I still be shocked
Jim is an anchor with CNN.
In related news another suspicious package was found addressed to cnn in georgia today.
Copycat or just a package that hadn't made it through the system yet?
Good point. My gut says it’s a copycat, but there’s no confirmation one way or another yet.
Yeah, they're probably being overly cautious right now, so this could just be a totally normal manilla envelope.
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Once you acknowledge that he's unfit for presidential office - this failure to contextualize a national incident being a redundant reminder - there's little to be shocked at. All things considered, there will be another election.
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That's the thing about mail bombs, they weren't sent priority express. There's a decent chance a couple more are still working their way through the postal system and haven't been caught yet. It'll take ~a week after his arrest before the threat and risk is truly over.
thankfully, the guy SEEMED to lack creativity and all of the bombs share a ton of common characteristics - and his target list seems to be the type who are aware of these things.
I am more concerned with other people who are better at this giving it a shot now.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
For some minorities and LGBT folk this isn’t an acceptance of a new normal, it is and has been normal. America has long, long been violent towards those perceived as a threat to the established order, what has changed is that the mainstream liberal coalition is getting the full force of othering from the conservatives these days, with the associated violence.
Yeah. It's not that I can't imagine him saying it: I can, and worse. It's that a part of me still can't believe this is reality and that so many people are content to let it continue.
Remember that time Charlie Kirk asked him what he'd do about all the persecution his supporters face on campus and he was so incapable of processing the idea of being hated that he insisted on the spot he was popular with college students?
Theres no depth to any of it.
This is a good explanation. (Short version: his base support is built on division, so not only does he not have any reason to moderate, he has a number of reasons not to.)