I also genuinely can't understand why any breakaway group wouldn't go with, "We are concerned about racism in the labor partly, and Brexit is at its core incredibly racist. The best way to fight racism in the UK today is to cancel Brexit" because its the Truth. And then you get to bang the "Racism is bad" drum AND the "Brexit is bad" drum. Everybody wins (loses?)
Brexit is racist, and like with so many things in the UK today, the right response to "Why don't you care about A!" is "Here are the many many many ways that Brexit will make things far worse for A. The only policy priority is stopping it"
I also genuinely can't understand why any breakaway group wouldn't go with, "We are concerned about racism in the labor partly, and Brexit is at its core incredibly racist. The best way to fight racism in the UK today is to cancel Brexit" because its the Truth. And then you get to bang the "Racism is bad" drum AND the "Brexit is bad" drum. Everybody wins (loses?)
Brexit is racist, and like with so many things in the UK today, the right response to "Why don't you care about A!" is "Here are the many many many ways that Brexit will make things far worse for A. The only policy priority is stopping it"
Because "Brexit is incredibly racist" won't get you any favors with anyone who even considered voting for Brexit. That's far more than the 52% who eventually did vote for Brexit, you're also kicking against the shins of everyone who gave it some thought.
I mean, I agree with the idea that Brexit is racist and bad and everyone who voted for it should feel bad about it, but I totally get why MPs won't say it.
Calling bigoted people bigots is considered a problem politically as shown by Gordon Brown.
As always, we made the moniker "racist" bad but not the actual behaviour so people think being called a racist is a bad thing but don't think there is anything wrong with their actual racist behaviour and so pointing out that behaviour is bad is a horrible thing to do because you are insulting them with a terrible and nasty label they don't deserve.
Calling bigoted people bigots is considered a problem politically as shown by Gordon Brown.
As always, we made the moniker "racist" bad but not the actual behaviour so people think being called a racist is a bad thing but don't think there is anything wrong with their actual racist behaviour and so pointing out that behaviour is bad is a horrible thing to do because you are insulting them with a terrible and nasty label they don't deserve.
You did what?!
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I am guessing at the time Honda assumed britain would would not crash out with a hard brexit so there would be some reasonable trade agreements in place so there would be no reason to leave. A year later that is clearly no longer a valid assumption so they are making the appropriate changes in their stance.
Most of those companies saying they were going to stay initially made a fair amount of sense. They had large amounts of capital investments and facilities built so they were figuring there will be some kind of norway deal stuff hits a couple small bumps and we are back to normal. It is just gotten super clear in the last 6 months that basically is not going to be what happens and the worst case scenario appears to be happening so they are punching out while they can still get some value out of their holdings.
So correct me if I'm wrong. The party that is in the minority of british parliament is losing members and not the completely insane group currently in control of a disaster in the making?
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
So correct me if I'm wrong. The party that is in the minority of british parliament is losing members and not the completely insane group currently in control of a disaster in the making?
'Control' is a bit of a stretch. Supposed to be in control, yes.
So correct me if I'm wrong. The party that is in the minority of british parliament is losing members and not the completely insane group currently in control of a disaster in the making?
Yes but there are strong rumours swirling round that suggest there are at least two Conservative MPs due to split from the party later this week and join the Independent Group. So, the original seven, now eight, are not expected to be the last.
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Why are they so into this Israeli-Palestine thing?
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its become a purity test in the labour party for various incredibly inane reasons. especially among the younger crowd. they have huffed too deeply of the chomsky and have lost all sense of proportion
that person retweeted there accused the current chair of young labour of belonging to a front group for the israeli embassy because shes jewish, some real deep thonkers
I'm gonna make a shameful admission, she sheer scale of the antisemitism problem in Labour is only now starting to dawn on me.
Just, wow. At first I thought it was overblown but you cant kick over a rock in the Labour party right now without unearthing a Jewish conspiracy theory.
Brexit is racist, and like with so many things in the UK today, the right response to "Why don't you care about A!" is "Here are the many many many ways that Brexit will make things far worse for A. The only policy priority is stopping it"
I think therefore it is?
I was listening to a bunch of people at the pub [students plus an older socialist probably looking to bang one] saying the same kind of arrogant thing as you. You lot really are caught up in your own self-superiority aren't you?
Just like them you think shouting it enough times will make it true. If the only comprehension you can come up with is 'racist' then I would have to question your intelligence. I would say that 'progressives' like yourselves are the complete opposite of such a thing, you aren't progressive, you aren't intelligent, your morals are changed to suit you.
its become a purity test in the labour party for various incredibly inane reasons. especially among the younger crowd. they have huffed too deeply of the chomsky and have lost all sense of proportion
that person retweeted there accused the current chair of young labour of belonging to a front group for the israeli embassy because shes jewish, some real deep thonkers
It's just so strange to see. You just don't see these types as firmly embedded in the infrastructure of left wing parties in north america. Although I think you can maybe see some small amount of it rising in the US right now but not anywhere near this extent.
Everything wrong with the UK right now is because of the EU and ((them)) and Project Fear. Definitely not the out-of-touch, institutionally-inbred, self-serving idiots steering the bus straight for the cliff.
Certainly not.
Everything wrong with the UK right now is because of the EU and ((them)) and Project Fear. Definitely not the out-of-touch, institutionally-inbred, self-serving idiots steering the bus straight for the cliff.
Certainly not.
So that includes the lowest jobless rate since 1975?
The number of people in work in the UK has continued to climb, with a record 32.6 million employed between October and December, the latest Office for National Statistics figures show.
Unemployment was little-changed in the three-month period at 1.36 million.
The jobless rate, remaining at 4%, is at its lowest since early 1975
Truly Brexit has devastated the economy.
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diesel regulations mean that Europe is unattactive for diesel manufacturers.
it's really disingenuous to continue to post in the thread while selectively ignoring posts that successfully counter your points.
Your arguments about Honda from yesterday, for example. Clear evidence was posted that it had nothing to do with diesel cars, yet you didn't even acknowledge it, just moved on to your next argument.
I guess it's a pretty common strategy these days, if someone proves you wrong but you ignore it and pretend not to hear them, did they really prove you wrong.
You lot really are caught up in your own self-superiority aren't you?
Just like them you think shouting it enough times will make it true. If the only comprehension you can come up with is 'racist' then I would have to question your intelligence. I would say that 'progressives' like yourselves are the complete opposite of such a thing, you aren't progressive, you aren't intelligent, your morals are changed to suit you.
If you're unable to raise your standard of discourse past this, you'll be asked to leave.
it's really disingenuous to continue to post in the thread while selectively ignoring posts that successfully counter your points.
They don't counter the points, they ignore the facts.
We have always seen Brexit as something we will get through. Nevertheless these other changes that are coming at us globally we have to now respond to and as I said it is a really sad day for our people in Swindon and we regret the impact this is going to have on them and their community
Is Nissan closing their Sunderland plant? No. If it was due to Brexit then why are they not closing the plant but Honda is? Why are they moving 'diesel' manufacture to Japan and not the EU?
It has been pretty clear for some time that [Japanese] car companies are moving east. As my links previously show. What is disingenuous is ignoring the facts of global trending [if you can be bothered to read them] and insinuating that Brexit is the prime cause.
it's really disingenuous to continue to post in the thread while selectively ignoring posts that successfully counter your points.
They don't counter the points, they ignore the facts.
We have always seen Brexit as something we will get through. Nevertheless these other changes that are coming at us globally we have to now respond to and as I said it is a really sad day for our people in Swindon and we regret the impact this is going to have on them and their community
Is Nissan closing their Sunderland plant? No. If it was due to Brexit then why are they not closing the plant but Honda is? Why are they moving 'diesel' manufacture to Japan and not the EU?
It has been pretty clear for some time that [Japanese] car companies are moving east. As my links previously show. What is disingenuous is ignoring the facts of global trending [if you can be bothered to read them] and insinuating that Brexit is the prime cause.
I've posted tweets that state diesel production for Honda in the UK was around %10 of cars produced. The diesel argument is rubbish.
I've posted tweets that state diesel production for Honda in the UK was around %10 of cars produced. The diesel argument is rubbish.
Ten percent is not small pennies. It is not rubbish because companies have invested a lot into the manufacture of diesel engines. And to reiterate, Nissan are moving their diesel production abroad so how can you possibly say with a straight face that it is rubbish? Nissan aren't closing their plant, Brexit is just a convenient excuse.
I've posted tweets that state diesel production for Honda in the UK was around %10 of cars produced. The diesel argument is rubbish.
Ten percent is not small pennies. It is not rubbish because companies have invested a lot into the manufacture of diesel engines. And to reiterate, Nissan are moving their diesel production abroad so how can you possibly say with a straight face that it is rubbish? Nissan aren't closing their plant, Brexit is just a convenient excuse.
If Brexit is a convenient excuse, you'd expect Nissan to be laying the blame entirely at its feet - except they're not.
“While we have taken this decision for business reasons, the continued uncertainty around the UK’s future relationship with the EU is not helping companies like ours to plan for the future,” said Nissan Europe Chairman Gianluca de Ficchy.
They're saying that Brexit and the uncertainty that it represents contributed to the decision, which seems entirely plausible.
But Honda are closing their plant. Why would they close a plant due to %10 of their product not being competitive?
An article from 2015 doesn't mean much in the current context.
It's not just Honda either. We've lost FlyBMI, the European Medicines agency and numerous other companies have moved job/assets out of the UK.
Really convenient isn't it, that these companies have trundled along just fine and then decided to move on early 2019. Clearly nothing to do with Brexit...
For the link between racism and Brexit you just gotta like google any study on the differences between Remain and Leave voters.
Example:
Fear of immigrants and foreigners is associated with support for Brexit, according to a pair of studies conducted by an international team of researchers.
Results of the two studies presented in the same paper suggest that psychological predictors of xenophobia were strongly linked with voting to leave the EU and support for the outcome of the referendum.
These findings were true regardless of voter age, gender or education.
surrealitycheck had a good study a bit back that I can't find the link anymore where basically the strongest correlation with Leave voters was reactionary conservative social views.
For the link between racism and Brexit you just gotta like google any study on the differences between Remain and Leave voters.
Example:
Fear of immigrants and foreigners is associated with support for Brexit, according to a pair of studies conducted by an international team of researchers.
Results of the two studies presented in the same paper suggest that psychological predictors of xenophobia were strongly linked with voting to leave the EU and support for the outcome of the referendum.
These findings were true regardless of voter age, gender or education.
surrealitycheck had a good study a bit back that I can't find the link anymore where basically the strongest correlation with Leave voters was reactionary conservative social views.
Hate crime has also increased partly due to Brexit:
Not every leave voter is a racist but a huge amount of votes were placed due to xenophobia. There was even interviews with people who said they voted leave to get Muslims out.
Everything wrong with the UK right now is because of the EU and ((them)) and Project Fear. Definitely not the out-of-touch, institutionally-inbred, self-serving idiots steering the bus straight for the cliff.
Certainly not.
So that includes the lowest jobless rate since 1975?
The number of people in work in the UK has continued to climb, with a record 32.6 million employed between October and December, the latest Office for National Statistics figures show.
Unemployment was little-changed in the three-month period at 1.36 million.
The jobless rate, remaining at 4%, is at its lowest since early 1975
Truly Brexit has devastated the economy.
Unemployment isn't the sole economic indicator that exists.
Real wage growth stopped after the brexit vote due to the rise in inflation. We could go over some other economic indicators if you need a more comprehensive overview.
Thats just from economic uncertainty too, we haven't reached the exit cliff yet.
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"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Everything wrong with the UK right now is because of the EU and ((them)) and Project Fear. Definitely not the out-of-touch, institutionally-inbred, self-serving idiots steering the bus straight for the cliff.
Certainly not.
So that includes the lowest jobless rate since 1975?
The number of people in work in the UK has continued to climb, with a record 32.6 million employed between October and December, the latest Office for National Statistics figures show.
Unemployment was little-changed in the three-month period at 1.36 million.
The jobless rate, remaining at 4%, is at its lowest since early 1975
Truly Brexit has devastated the economy.
Unemployment isn't the sole economic indicator that exists.
Real wage growth stopped after the brexit vote due to the rise in inflation. We could go over some other economic indicators if you need a more comprehensive overview.
Thats just from economic uncertainty too, we haven't reached the exit cliff yet.
Do these figures take in to account what type of jobs are created?
So for example if someone gets a zero hour contract does that still count as a person in employment for government figures?
Everything wrong with the UK right now is because of the EU and ((them)) and Project Fear. Definitely not the out-of-touch, institutionally-inbred, self-serving idiots steering the bus straight for the cliff.
Certainly not.
So that includes the lowest jobless rate since 1975?
The number of people in work in the UK has continued to climb, with a record 32.6 million employed between October and December, the latest Office for National Statistics figures show.
Unemployment was little-changed in the three-month period at 1.36 million.
The jobless rate, remaining at 4%, is at its lowest since early 1975
Truly Brexit has devastated the economy.
Unemployment isn't the sole economic indicator that exists.
Real wage growth stopped after the brexit vote due to the rise in inflation. We could go over some other economic indicators if you need a more comprehensive overview.
Thats just from economic uncertainty too, we haven't reached the exit cliff yet.
Do these figures take in to account what type of jobs are created?
So for example if someone gets a zero hour contract does that still count as a person in employment for government figures?
The numbers I saw were for full time employment. Getting into which sectors were seeing growth in particular could be telling though.
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"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Everything wrong with the UK right now is because of the EU and ((them)) and Project Fear. Definitely not the out-of-touch, institutionally-inbred, self-serving idiots steering the bus straight for the cliff.
Certainly not.
So that includes the lowest jobless rate since 1975?
The number of people in work in the UK has continued to climb, with a record 32.6 million employed between October and December, the latest Office for National Statistics figures show.
Unemployment was little-changed in the three-month period at 1.36 million.
The jobless rate, remaining at 4%, is at its lowest since early 1975
Truly Brexit has devastated the economy.
Unemployment isn't the sole economic indicator that exists.
Real wage growth stopped after the brexit vote due to the rise in inflation. We could go over some other economic indicators if you need a more comprehensive overview.
Thats just from economic uncertainty too, we haven't reached the exit cliff yet.
Do these figures take in to account what type of jobs are created?
So for example if someone gets a zero hour contract does that still count as a person in employment for government figures?
The numbers I saw were for full time employment. Getting into which sectors were seeing growth in particular could be telling though.
Turns out they are but they've declined in the past year:
Everything wrong with the UK right now is because of the EU and ((them)) and Project Fear. Definitely not the out-of-touch, institutionally-inbred, self-serving idiots steering the bus straight for the cliff.
Certainly not.
So that includes the lowest jobless rate since 1975?
The number of people in work in the UK has continued to climb, with a record 32.6 million employed between October and December, the latest Office for National Statistics figures show.
Unemployment was little-changed in the three-month period at 1.36 million.
The jobless rate, remaining at 4%, is at its lowest since early 1975
Truly Brexit has devastated the economy.
Unemployment isn't the sole economic indicator that exists.
Real wage growth stopped after the brexit vote due to the rise in inflation. We could go over some other economic indicators if you need a more comprehensive overview.
Thats just from economic uncertainty too, we haven't reached the exit cliff yet.
Do these figures take in to account what type of jobs are created?
So for example if someone gets a zero hour contract does that still count as a person in employment for government figures?
Zero hour contracts are counted in employment figures. The ONS seems pretty confident in this blog post that this isn't leading to a distortion of employment figures, but it also seems pretty undeniable that over the past decade employment has become considerably more precarious for a lot of people.
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the problem at some fundamental level is that all the above is case by case special pleading. there is no aspect of brexit that is positive for manufacturing goods in the uk. leaving the single market, the huge uncertainty both over the final destination and the short-term ability to guarantee supply chains, the governments total inconsistency on what level of support will be provided to individual manufacturers, the ability of the government to alienate other governments that are strongly associated with many of these manufacturers (in particular the japanese), the destruction of our reputation for stable government on the international stage, the complete failure to negotiate or even put forward a coherent industrial and trade strategy post-brexit (because one literally does not exist), etc etc etc
to say "well it might not solely be brexit, there are other trends" is a song that can always be sung but misses the point; brexit was sold, repeatedly, as being unthreatening (nay even benign) for british industry and manufacturing. both observationally - from what those businesses have actually done since the vote - and from what they have said, repeatedly, in both formal submissions to the government and through diplomatic channels tells us with absolute crystal clarity that brexit is bad for them. of course you cant prove that brexit solely caused it - complex events in the real world are multivariate, overdetermined, blahblahblah. but what all these pleas do not (and cannot) do is one very simple thing; tell us that the effects of brexit have been anything other than negative. to say that it is less shit than some are claiming is to nonetheless concede that it is shit.
and if we wish to go a step further we can begin to think a bit harder about why the intellectual underpinnings for much of the more extreme brexit lot - the economists for brexit and erg link in particular - both expected and were deeply sanguine about the total extinction of uk manufacturing and much of the agricultural sector. we can consider why so few brexiteer industrialists are rushing back to the uk for all the manifold business&investment opportunities that shall surely be created in this new brexit wonderland.
none of this is strange. its all incredibly obvious and straightforward economics. the tariff arguments are very easy to quantify and render themselves stupid within seconds. theres no confusion about why this is happening. we have the most incompetent set of public servants in 100 years, a conservative party paralysed by idiocy and internal confusion, a political class intellectually incapable of understanding what would need to be done to actually do brexit and who refused to prepare for it. but brexit is a cruel mistress; she demands fealty, sacrifice, respect and love. all this leaves precious little room for small details like, say, functional policy or good governance
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Brexit is racist, and like with so many things in the UK today, the right response to "Why don't you care about A!" is "Here are the many many many ways that Brexit will make things far worse for A. The only policy priority is stopping it"
Because "Brexit is incredibly racist" won't get you any favors with anyone who even considered voting for Brexit. That's far more than the 52% who eventually did vote for Brexit, you're also kicking against the shins of everyone who gave it some thought.
I mean, I agree with the idea that Brexit is racist and bad and everyone who voted for it should feel bad about it, but I totally get why MPs won't say it.
As always, we made the moniker "racist" bad but not the actual behaviour so people think being called a racist is a bad thing but don't think there is anything wrong with their actual racist behaviour and so pointing out that behaviour is bad is a horrible thing to do because you are insulting them with a terrible and nasty label they don't deserve.
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Then I looked at the date
The number grows. Now 8 but I doubt that's the last.
I am guessing at the time Honda assumed britain would would not crash out with a hard brexit so there would be some reasonable trade agreements in place so there would be no reason to leave. A year later that is clearly no longer a valid assumption so they are making the appropriate changes in their stance.
I think there's an even better example.
For those keeping score at home, I think 5 out of these 8 have pulled out of future plans for Britain thanks to Brexit.
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Supposed to be in control, yes.
Yes but there are strong rumours swirling round that suggest there are at least two Conservative MPs due to split from the party later this week and join the Independent Group. So, the original seven, now eight, are not expected to be the last.
young labour really popping off
that person retweeted there accused the current chair of young labour of belonging to a front group for the israeli embassy because shes jewish, some real deep thonkers
Just, wow. At first I thought it was overblown but you cant kick over a rock in the Labour party right now without unearthing a Jewish conspiracy theory.
I think therefore it is?
I was listening to a bunch of people at the pub [students plus an older socialist probably looking to bang one] saying the same kind of arrogant thing as you. You lot really are caught up in your own self-superiority aren't you?
Just like them you think shouting it enough times will make it true. If the only comprehension you can come up with is 'racist' then I would have to question your intelligence. I would say that 'progressives' like yourselves are the complete opposite of such a thing, you aren't progressive, you aren't intelligent, your morals are changed to suit you.
Except that isn't true if you bother to look at global trends.
Airbus cannot sell their big old aircraft and diesel regulations mean that Europe is unattactive for diesel manufacturers.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2006/mar/02/motoring.lifeandhealth
https://www.iol.co.za/motoring/industry-news/toyota-ends-production-in-australia-after-54-years-11465139
It's just so strange to see. You just don't see these types as firmly embedded in the infrastructure of left wing parties in north america. Although I think you can maybe see some small amount of it rising in the US right now but not anywhere near this extent.
Definitely not the out-of-touch, institutionally-inbred, self-serving idiots steering the bus straight for the cliff.
Certainly not.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47290331
So that includes the lowest jobless rate since 1975?
Truly Brexit has devastated the economy.
it's really disingenuous to continue to post in the thread while selectively ignoring posts that successfully counter your points.
Your arguments about Honda from yesterday, for example. Clear evidence was posted that it had nothing to do with diesel cars, yet you didn't even acknowledge it, just moved on to your next argument.
I guess it's a pretty common strategy these days, if someone proves you wrong but you ignore it and pretend not to hear them, did they really prove you wrong.
If you're unable to raise your standard of discourse past this, you'll be asked to leave.
They don't counter the points, they ignore the facts.
Is Nissan closing their Sunderland plant? No. If it was due to Brexit then why are they not closing the plant but Honda is? Why are they moving 'diesel' manufacture to Japan and not the EU?
It has been pretty clear for some time that [Japanese] car companies are moving east. As my links previously show. What is disingenuous is ignoring the facts of global trending [if you can be bothered to read them] and insinuating that Brexit is the prime cause.
I've posted tweets that state diesel production for Honda in the UK was around %10 of cars produced. The diesel argument is rubbish.
Ten percent is not small pennies. It is not rubbish because companies have invested a lot into the manufacture of diesel engines. And to reiterate, Nissan are moving their diesel production abroad so how can you possibly say with a straight face that it is rubbish? Nissan aren't closing their plant, Brexit is just a convenient excuse.
https://www.vox.com/2015/10/15/9541789/volkswagen-europe-diesel-pollution
If Brexit is a convenient excuse, you'd expect Nissan to be laying the blame entirely at its feet - except they're not.
They're saying that Brexit and the uncertainty that it represents contributed to the decision, which seems entirely plausible.
An article from 2015 doesn't mean much in the current context.
It's not just Honda either. We've lost FlyBMI, the European Medicines agency and numerous other companies have moved job/assets out of the UK.
Really convenient isn't it, that these companies have trundled along just fine and then decided to move on early 2019. Clearly nothing to do with Brexit...
Example: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/brexit-prejudice-scientists-link-foreigners-immigrants-racism-xenophobia-leave-eu-a8078586.html
surrealitycheck had a good study a bit back that I can't find the link anymore where basically the strongest correlation with Leave voters was reactionary conservative social views.
Hate crime has also increased partly due to Brexit:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/16/hate-crime-brexit-terrorist-attacks-england-wales
Not every leave voter is a racist but a huge amount of votes were placed due to xenophobia. There was even interviews with people who said they voted leave to get Muslims out.
Unemployment isn't the sole economic indicator that exists.
https://qz.com/1455906/british-household-incomes-have-barely-grown-since-the-brexit-vote/
Real wage growth stopped after the brexit vote due to the rise in inflation. We could go over some other economic indicators if you need a more comprehensive overview.
Thats just from economic uncertainty too, we haven't reached the exit cliff yet.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Do these figures take in to account what type of jobs are created?
So for example if someone gets a zero hour contract does that still count as a person in employment for government figures?
The numbers I saw were for full time employment. Getting into which sectors were seeing growth in particular could be telling though.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Turns out they are but they've declined in the past year:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/february2019
Zero hour contracts are counted in employment figures. The ONS seems pretty confident in this blog post that this isn't leading to a distortion of employment figures, but it also seems pretty undeniable that over the past decade employment has become considerably more precarious for a lot of people.
@shryke rest here https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/personal-values-brexit-vote/
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the problem at some fundamental level is that all the above is case by case special pleading. there is no aspect of brexit that is positive for manufacturing goods in the uk. leaving the single market, the huge uncertainty both over the final destination and the short-term ability to guarantee supply chains, the governments total inconsistency on what level of support will be provided to individual manufacturers, the ability of the government to alienate other governments that are strongly associated with many of these manufacturers (in particular the japanese), the destruction of our reputation for stable government on the international stage, the complete failure to negotiate or even put forward a coherent industrial and trade strategy post-brexit (because one literally does not exist), etc etc etc
to say "well it might not solely be brexit, there are other trends" is a song that can always be sung but misses the point; brexit was sold, repeatedly, as being unthreatening (nay even benign) for british industry and manufacturing. both observationally - from what those businesses have actually done since the vote - and from what they have said, repeatedly, in both formal submissions to the government and through diplomatic channels tells us with absolute crystal clarity that brexit is bad for them. of course you cant prove that brexit solely caused it - complex events in the real world are multivariate, overdetermined, blahblahblah. but what all these pleas do not (and cannot) do is one very simple thing; tell us that the effects of brexit have been anything other than negative. to say that it is less shit than some are claiming is to nonetheless concede that it is shit.
and if we wish to go a step further we can begin to think a bit harder about why the intellectual underpinnings for much of the more extreme brexit lot - the economists for brexit and erg link in particular - both expected and were deeply sanguine about the total extinction of uk manufacturing and much of the agricultural sector. we can consider why so few brexiteer industrialists are rushing back to the uk for all the manifold business&investment opportunities that shall surely be created in this new brexit wonderland.
none of this is strange. its all incredibly obvious and straightforward economics. the tariff arguments are very easy to quantify and render themselves stupid within seconds. theres no confusion about why this is happening. we have the most incompetent set of public servants in 100 years, a conservative party paralysed by idiocy and internal confusion, a political class intellectually incapable of understanding what would need to be done to actually do brexit and who refused to prepare for it. but brexit is a cruel mistress; she demands fealty, sacrifice, respect and love. all this leaves precious little room for small details like, say, functional policy or good governance