I think Captain Marvel is going to be huge, based entirely on how hard people laughed at all the 90s references that I thought were way too on the nose and groanworthy
$910mil worldwide in 17 days
I know the trailer for Unicorn Store didn't look that great but I might watch it on a friend's Netflix account next month, I want to support more Brie Larson things and I'm intrigued by it being her directorial debut
Zack Snyder is doing a 3 day screening of some of his films, with Fan Q&As, sponsored by Vero which he is still the only person I've ever actually seen use.
He was asked about having Batman kill people in his movies.
His response was
Uh
Well
“Someone says to me: Batman killed a guy. I’m like, Fuck, really? Wake the fuck up,” Snyder said. “I guess that’s what I’m saying. Once you lost your virginity to this fucking movie and then you come and say to me something about like ‘my superhero wouldn’t do that.’ I’m like ‘Are you serious?’ I’m like down the fucking road on that. It’s a cool point of view to be like ‘my heroes are innocent’…That’s cool. But you’re living in a fucking dream world.”
It is nice to know he is every bit the 13 year old edgelord his movies make him out to be
Zack Snyder is doing a 3 day screening of some of his films, with Fan Q&As, sponsored by Vero which he is still the only person I've ever actually seen use.
He was asked about having Batman kill people in his movies.
His response was
Uh
Well
“Someone says to me: Batman killed a guy. I’m like, Fuck, really? Wake the fuck up,” Snyder said. “I guess that’s what I’m saying. Once you lost your virginity to this fucking movie and then you come and say to me something about like ‘my superhero wouldn’t do that.’ I’m like ‘Are you serious?’ I’m like down the fucking road on that. It’s a cool point of view to be like ‘my heroes are innocent’…That’s cool. But you’re living in a fucking dream world.”
It is nice to know he is every bit the 13 year old edgelord his movies make him out to be
The way Zacks responds to this question have changed are interesting to me. Some may remember that following the release of MoS he tried to claim that Superman killing Zod was meant to be the origin of Supermans “no killing” rule. There is a whole quote where he talks about how it didnt make sense to him.
Ultimately this isnt a change at all of course because the core of both responses is “actually let me tell you how I didnt mess up and how the problem is with you”.
Zack Snyder is doing a 3 day screening of some of his films, with Fan Q&As, sponsored by Vero which he is still the only person I've ever actually seen use.
He was asked about having Batman kill people in his movies.
His response was
Uh
Well
“Someone says to me: Batman killed a guy. I’m like, Fuck, really? Wake the fuck up,” Snyder said. “I guess that’s what I’m saying. Once you lost your virginity to this fucking movie and then you come and say to me something about like ‘my superhero wouldn’t do that.’ I’m like ‘Are you serious?’ I’m like down the fucking road on that. It’s a cool point of view to be like ‘my heroes are innocent’…That’s cool. But you’re living in a fucking dream world.”
It is nice to know he is every bit the 13 year old edgelord his movies make him out to be
Batman doesn't kill people? Um, wake up. This is real life, where Batman, the children's comic book character, kills people.
Ultimately this isnt a change at all of course because the core of both responses is “actually let me tell you how I didnt mess up and how the problem is with you”.
I just tried to find an article about that interview so I could post it on twitter and all I found were fan talking about how much of a noce guy he is in person. I don’t really get it since I don’t think I’ve ever seen a quote from him that wasn’t him insulting people.
weirdly enough it reminded me most of nier automata, and the part of black panther I liked the most, which is that the pain you bring upon even just one child can be enough to destroy a country. The tethered were mindlessly acting out their souls until they were taught how to think, and how to hate, by a child that had been immensely wronged
i have never understood why zack snyder makes adaptations (other than the money).
because like, yeah, at the basest level he's right to be annoyed at people telling him he made his movie wrong, but like, that's just gonna come with adapting deeply ingrained ip? it doesn't matter how faithful or unfaithful you are, that's just part of it.
he's clearly got a broad strokes approach and a unique style, he could take the bits he likes and do something else, but he just....tethered himself to something he clearly hates.
i don't know if he's just afraid to try something new or the money is just that good but man. this shit just isn't good for his health, and you can tell by the deterioration in his responses.
I'm sure he's a great guy as long as you're not trying to trick him into reflecting on his writing or directing, which are perfect and above criticism you VIRGIN WORM
i also think it's kind of disingenuous to paint snyder as this raging asshole when most of what's posted about him is a response to the same three things people have been shit talking about his movies for years.
yeah he tends to jump out ahead of it more often than not, but i can absolutely empahtize with where he is coming from.
i have never understood why zack snyder makes adaptations (other than the money).
because like, yeah, at the basest level he's right to be annoyed at people telling him he made his movie wrong, but like, that's just gonna come with adapting deeply ingrained ip? it doesn't matter how faithful or unfaithful you are, that's just part of it.
he's clearly got a broad strokes approach and a unique style, he could take the bits he likes and do something else, but he just....tethered himself to something he clearly hates.
i don't know if he's just afraid to try something new or the money is just that good but man. this shit just isn't good for his health, and you can tell by the deterioration in his responses.
I think he very much likes these properties he’s working on. I think the watchmen had a very strong effect on him and it was probably his dream project. He also based on quotes he gave before MoS came out really loved Superman.
He has a very(charitably) unique view of the characters however and based on his quotes he seems to honestly believe that he has the “correct” viewpoint and anyone who disagrees is just being childish.
I dont think Zack has a point. I think he might have a point if the movies he made had confront his belief about Superheroes or been consistent with it but he didnt. Each character goes from murder happy to extremely morale and interested in saving lives at the drop of a hat. Batman doesnt just kill the bad guys. Superman doesnt just kill the bad guys. They are casually incompetently murderous to the surrounding population that erases any argument that this is the realistic grown-up version of Batman because if he were so negligently murderous the government would put a stop to him. Im aorry but even in modern day America where we are seeing police abuse and stupidity come into the light I still cant believe the public would be behind this batman.
I am not calling him a raging asshole, I am just saying that he is extremely the edgy VIOLENCE AND DARKNESS IS REALITY AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS A VIRGIN BABY type of creator that his films gestured towards
There ain't a hidden depth there
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I never want to tie an artist's ethos to just one project, but boy howdy, did Suckerpunch seem like a Snyder statement of intent.
I thought she talked that way because her throat got fucked up when the clone choked her as a kid
As far as like, plot logistics goes, I was more confused by why the "real" version didn't seem to have any memory of BEING the "real" version
Which is easy enough to handwave away because, I dunno she was trapped underground for most of her life and it fucked her up
I dunno if I necessarily *like* the twist, but by the end I was definitely feeling sympathetic for the shadow people in a way that the ending played on
I'm mostly just not totally sure how I feel about the movie and probably won't until I think about it for a while/watch or read people smarter than me picking it apart
It was a very fun theater experience though
there's room for interpretation here but the way I saw it
The adelaide from the underground was basically mindless, like all the other tethered, in addition to being 6. You can see that the son from the underground is practically an animal. she had enough thought to do her crime, but didn't really become a conscious person until she started interacting with other humans. and some of her earliest interactions would be a therapist telling her that her hazy memories of the underground aren't real and she just has PTSD. so she knows, deep within her, that something is wrong, and she's feeling emotions about the tethered that she can't really explain. I think she is slowly starting to piece it together throughout the film and the end is her finallyremembering what really happened.
The adelaide from the surface I think absolutely remembered what happened, and her dialogue is very carefully constructed to allow for that. I don't think she realizes the adelaide from the underground doesn't know
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Literally one of the most interesting things about batman is that he doesn't kill criminals. Not because he's part of a PG comic book or aything, but because its central to who he is and the struggle with power and the lengths he should go to to protect others.
It's weird to frame it as either childish not to show him killing, or more mature and realistic to show him killing. That's not the two sides or only options. I mean yeah show him killing if you want, but you have to make it more interesting than him choosing not to kill.
And there's comics where he becomes punisher batman, they just rightly frame it as bad thing from the perspective of who batman himself wants to be, it's a failing. So if your movie has him killing criminals and makes no commentary on it, or does nothing with that line being crossed,then you made a myopic movie
Clint does seem to be relishing cursing, like he's missed it something fierce
...and other, ahem, transgressive phrasing
hunh. sure nuff, implied threesome.
i think the only other Eastwood films i've seen are Space Cowboys and maybe a couple from his cowboy era
oh and another threesome, sudden topless lady, following a party scene with many shots of ladies' asses
Its like Mulaney said, this is old person super hero movie. He's 90 plus still has his license is better at driving than literally anyone and he has two threesomes. Its pretty much what your grand pa dreams up while he's in the old folks home hoping you come visit.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
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Batman is a guy whose parents were killed and decided to end crime by punching it, and his refusal to kill can be an interesting character wrinkle that people are way too quick to brush off as a nonsensical silver age holdover
I do definitely prefer "No he just kills people" as opposed to the Arkham games, where he kills people, but the game bends over backwards to make it not so
Has a Batman story ever tried to confront how he “doesn’t kill people”, except he totally does by brutally beating and maiming criminals and leaving them for dead?
Like, it’s a long-standing joke about the character, but has it been seriously tackled?
Has a Batman story ever tried to confront how he “doesn’t kill people”, except he totally does by brutally beating and maiming criminals and leaving them for dead?
Like, it’s a long-standing joke about the character, but has it been seriously tackled?
I think there's an alternate universe thing where the Joker gets cured and turns around and goes "hey by the way this guy sucks"
But I could be misremembering what I've heard about it
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Has a Batman story ever tried to confront how he “doesn’t kill people”, except he totally does by brutally beating and maiming criminals and leaving them for dead?
Like, it’s a long-standing joke about the character, but has it been seriously tackled?
You either have to ignore concussions being a thing or all superheroes are monsters.
Has a Batman story ever tried to confront how he “doesn’t kill people”, except he totally does by brutally beating and maiming criminals and leaving them for dead?
Like, it’s a long-standing joke about the character, but has it been seriously tackled?
I think there's an alternate universe thing where the Joker gets cured and turns around and goes "hey by the way this guy sucks"
But I could be misremembering what I've heard about it
I think it's White Knight or something, I dunno if it's good.
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Has a Batman story ever tried to confront how he “doesn’t kill people”, except he totally does by brutally beating and maiming criminals and leaving them for dead?
Like, it’s a long-standing joke about the character, but has it been seriously tackled?
They're actually going to do something along those lines with Arkham Knight, who is being introduced into the DC universe in Detective Comics #1000 next month
Any human being who was able to kill the joker would have a moral imperative to do so.
I mean, I don't agree with this
You could disarm him, apprehend him
Here in the real world we know he will break out, but the people of Gotham don't know they're in a comic book, for all they know this is the time he'll stay confined
But I'm also just never going to be in favor of killing, here in the real world, when you could not
The joker has proven that he can and will break out of any jail, has murdered hundreds of people and will 100% definitely murder hundreds more allowing him to live is moral cowardice.
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Anyway, I saw Us
It's good! The message was not immediately apparent the way Get Out's was, so I'm glad I went back and read the last few pages of spoilers
I did figure out the twist within the first five minutes, and part of that is how it cut away as soon as little Red turned around, but the bigger part is admittedly that I knew there was a twist at all because of this thread
Didn't bother me, as I spent most of the movie wondering how they were going to make it work and if I could possibly be wrong
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I’m hopefully seeing it this week.
$910mil worldwide in 17 days
I know the trailer for Unicorn Store didn't look that great but I might watch it on a friend's Netflix account next month, I want to support more Brie Larson things and I'm intrigued by it being her directorial debut
Steam
I can't imagine they'd do another remake of It so soon after the last one
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He was asked about having Batman kill people in his movies.
His response was
Uh
Well
It is nice to know he is every bit the 13 year old edgelord his movies make him out to be
The way Zacks responds to this question have changed are interesting to me. Some may remember that following the release of MoS he tried to claim that Superman killing Zod was meant to be the origin of Supermans “no killing” rule. There is a whole quote where he talks about how it didnt make sense to him.
Ultimately this isnt a change at all of course because the core of both responses is “actually let me tell you how I didnt mess up and how the problem is with you”.
Batman doesn't kill people? Um, wake up. This is real life, where Batman, the children's comic book character, kills people.
This is Snyder's whole schtick, yeah
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Wasn't David Goyer's thing that no one "who had lost their virginity" knew who Martian Manhunter was
Well I mean
because like, yeah, at the basest level he's right to be annoyed at people telling him he made his movie wrong, but like, that's just gonna come with adapting deeply ingrained ip? it doesn't matter how faithful or unfaithful you are, that's just part of it.
he's clearly got a broad strokes approach and a unique style, he could take the bits he likes and do something else, but he just....tethered himself to something he clearly hates.
i don't know if he's just afraid to try something new or the money is just that good but man. this shit just isn't good for his health, and you can tell by the deterioration in his responses.
yeah he tends to jump out ahead of it more often than not, but i can absolutely empahtize with where he is coming from.
even if i don't agree with a goddamn word of it.
I think he very much likes these properties he’s working on. I think the watchmen had a very strong effect on him and it was probably his dream project. He also based on quotes he gave before MoS came out really loved Superman.
He has a very(charitably) unique view of the characters however and based on his quotes he seems to honestly believe that he has the “correct” viewpoint and anyone who disagrees is just being childish.
I dont think Zack has a point. I think he might have a point if the movies he made had confront his belief about Superheroes or been consistent with it but he didnt. Each character goes from murder happy to extremely morale and interested in saving lives at the drop of a hat. Batman doesnt just kill the bad guys. Superman doesnt just kill the bad guys. They are casually incompetently murderous to the surrounding population that erases any argument that this is the realistic grown-up version of Batman because if he were so negligently murderous the government would put a stop to him. Im aorry but even in modern day America where we are seeing police abuse and stupidity come into the light I still cant believe the public would be behind this batman.
There ain't a hidden depth there
The adelaide from the underground was basically mindless, like all the other tethered, in addition to being 6. You can see that the son from the underground is practically an animal. she had enough thought to do her crime, but didn't really become a conscious person until she started interacting with other humans. and some of her earliest interactions would be a therapist telling her that her hazy memories of the underground aren't real and she just has PTSD. so she knows, deep within her, that something is wrong, and she's feeling emotions about the tethered that she can't really explain. I think she is slowly starting to piece it together throughout the film and the end is her finallyremembering what really happened.
The adelaide from the surface I think absolutely remembered what happened, and her dialogue is very carefully constructed to allow for that. I don't think she realizes the adelaide from the underground doesn't know
Might have to fire up Q in his memory tonight.
It's weird to frame it as either childish not to show him killing, or more mature and realistic to show him killing. That's not the two sides or only options. I mean yeah show him killing if you want, but you have to make it more interesting than him choosing not to kill.
And there's comics where he becomes punisher batman, they just rightly frame it as bad thing from the perspective of who batman himself wants to be, it's a failing. So if your movie has him killing criminals and makes no commentary on it, or does nothing with that line being crossed,then you made a myopic movie
Clint does seem to be relishing cursing, like he's missed it something fierce
...and other, ahem, transgressive phrasing
hunh. sure nuff, implied threesome.
i think the only other Eastwood films i've seen are Space Cowboys and maybe a couple from his cowboy era
oh and another threesome, sudden topless lady, following a party scene with many shots of ladies' asses
Its like Mulaney said, this is old person super hero movie. He's 90 plus still has his license is better at driving than literally anyone and he has two threesomes. Its pretty much what your grand pa dreams up while he's in the old folks home hoping you come visit.
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Like, it’s a long-standing joke about the character, but has it been seriously tackled?
I think there's an alternate universe thing where the Joker gets cured and turns around and goes "hey by the way this guy sucks"
But I could be misremembering what I've heard about it
You either have to ignore concussions being a thing or all superheroes are monsters.
I think it's White Knight or something, I dunno if it's good.
They're actually going to do something along those lines with Arkham Knight, who is being introduced into the DC universe in Detective Comics #1000 next month
I mean, I don't agree with this
You could disarm him, apprehend him
Here in the real world we know he will break out, but the people of Gotham don't know they're in a comic book, for all they know this is the time he'll stay confined
But I'm also just never going to be in favor of killing, here in the real world, when you could not
It's good! The message was not immediately apparent the way Get Out's was, so I'm glad I went back and read the last few pages of spoilers
Didn't bother me, as I spent most of the movie wondering how they were going to make it work and if I could possibly be wrong