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[Mass Shooting/Terrorism] 50 Confirmed Dead in New Zealand Mosque Terror Attack
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I will update this OP to the current situation.
On 15th March, a gunman entered two Mosques in Christchurch New Zealand. Starting at the Al Noor Mosque, he livestreamed his initial attack onto social media and then proceeded to shoot 41 people dead. After running out of ammunition, he then proceeded to drive to another Mosque in Linwood where he continued his rampage, shooting dead another 7 people. Of the 50 other people who were injured, many critically, 2 have since died afterwards raising the death toll to 50. This is New Zealands deadliest ever mass shooting and our worst ever terrorist attack on our own soil. The attack drew international condemnation and confusion, with an extremely strong response from Jacinta Ardern (New Zealand Prime Minister) condemning it almost immediately as terrorism.
The monster who committed this attack released a manifesto - which I will not provide the dignity of linking to - essentially giving his inspirations for the attack as far right figures in the US. Lauren Southern, President Trump and many others were named in this manifesto, but he's certainly had his support from awful human beings at home such as an Australian Senator blaming Muslims for the attack.
This thread is just to discuss the attack, the influence of the far right upon potential domestic terrorists who have been largely ignored (he was on no watch lists) and how to deal with the aftermath of this terrible attack. Most importantly, do not forget the effect this has had on the actual Muslim community who was targeted by this man. They have not just had to suffer from this mans terrible attack, but routine demonization by far right figures, the media and an atmosphere of fear surrounding them. Please always remember that events like this do not occur in isolation.
This is a truly terrible and shocking situation. I never ever thought I would be posting a thread about a mass shooting like this from the place I grew up in New Zealand
Edit: In case this comes up in anyone's forum search, the shooter was jailed as a terrorist and will probably rot in jail for the rest of his existence here.
On 15th March, a gunman entered two Mosques in Christchurch New Zealand. Starting at the Al Noor Mosque, he livestreamed his initial attack onto social media and then proceeded to shoot 41 people dead. After running out of ammunition, he then proceeded to drive to another Mosque in Linwood where he continued his rampage, shooting dead another 7 people. Of the 50 other people who were injured, many critically, 2 have since died afterwards raising the death toll to 50. This is New Zealands deadliest ever mass shooting and our worst ever terrorist attack on our own soil. The attack drew international condemnation and confusion, with an extremely strong response from Jacinta Ardern (New Zealand Prime Minister) condemning it almost immediately as terrorism.
The monster who committed this attack released a manifesto - which I will not provide the dignity of linking to - essentially giving his inspirations for the attack as far right figures in the US. Lauren Southern, President Trump and many others were named in this manifesto, but he's certainly had his support from awful human beings at home such as an Australian Senator blaming Muslims for the attack.
This thread is just to discuss the attack, the influence of the far right upon potential domestic terrorists who have been largely ignored (he was on no watch lists) and how to deal with the aftermath of this terrible attack. Most importantly, do not forget the effect this has had on the actual Muslim community who was targeted by this man. They have not just had to suffer from this mans terrible attack, but routine demonization by far right figures, the media and an atmosphere of fear surrounding them. Please always remember that events like this do not occur in isolation.
This is a truly terrible and shocking situation. I never ever thought I would be posting a thread about a mass shooting like this from the place I grew up in New Zealand
Edit: In case this comes up in anyone's forum search, the shooter was jailed as a terrorist and will probably rot in jail for the rest of his existence here.
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He is repeating the same talking points millions of racists online are repeating all over the globe, and that right wing media basically gives cover for. Right wing media across the western world hammers home that immigration from brown countries is bad, and then we have to sit and watch as they feign confusion as to the actions of men like these and the YouTubers and alt right figureheads who inspire them that seem to "come out of nowhere"
No they were here all along, filling in your blanks and picking up on your dogwhistles
His entire manifesto is a carbon copy of every alt right YouTuber talking points I've ever seen
Maybe we could have a ban on using the name or names or the pictures of the shooters, if anything is released? Let's not give these assholes any fucking internet fame or glory or ego if we don't have to.
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What the fuck.
Hopefully an abundance of caution I guess.
This too. Be careful everyone.
Feels like an inevitable development in terrorism, if you think about it.
Just gonna copy/paste what I had to say about this elsewhere; there's things popping up about how the guy was radicalized online by his own admission.
I wouldnt have thought this could happen in new zealand, which i guess is proven to be terribly naive now. I'm still trying to process this.
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Helicopters still hovering around town. Our office is still on soft lock-down. I assume it will be a while before there is any sort of 'all clear' announcement even if they have apprehended a second offender.
There was one in Brazil yesterday, too.. that was a school shooting though.
Damn that's a weird thing to say.
On the bright side, the cell network turned to shit the day of the earthquake - seems to be coping pretty well now.
Yeah, you see the "invaders" rhetoric all the time on /r/conservative. Literally the only difference in what he said versus what you'd find there is that he said he'd take action and do something about it. It's incredibly dangerous to have that kind of rhetoric one step removed from someone taking action about it. You can't talk about people invading your country and be surprised when people act on your rhetoric. I don't know what you actually do about it, other than socially ostracise them and pressure places hosting them to stop, though.
Hopefully they'll have the other in custody soon.
At least in Auckland, the underlying racism tends to be against Maori (which really surfaced when buying a house, yikes), and the Chinese, especially as a foreign "other" making things worse for New Zealanders.
But I never really got an anti-Muslim vibe, even living 3 roads down from an Islamic community center. That plus the 8chan connection makes me feel like this could be an American fueled radicalism?
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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Not repeating it here, but what he was writing certainly indicates it’s internationaly motivated.
The internet making humanity a more global community works even in the ways you don't want it to, unfortunately.
And the alt-right gets its talking points from a fat orange tiny-handed racist sexist fuckhead who's currently occupying the White House who will inevitably try to both-sides this bullshit to try and normalize it. Calling the shooter "a maniac" just gives him the cover the rest of the right wants. They ought to have their faces rubbed in this over and over- because their rhetoric and all their hinting is what leads to this. Demonize a people long enough, don't be fucking surprised when one of your supports feels strongly enough to take a shot or six at them. Look at the guy's manifesto, look at the shit your fuckhead YouTuber allies are spouting off. You own this one, guys. Your views and your hints, speeches, and refusal to rebuke these fuckers has lead to yet another goddamned mass shooting.
Most have forgotten the lessons of World War II and the events that lead to it, but the fascists sure haven't. Eighty years ago, it was the Jewish people; nowadays it's the Muslim that are to blame for the world's ills- oh no, it can't be the sheer fact we need to find someone to blame all of our fuckups; it's not our fault that there are no fucking jobs to be had worth shit without a college degree, it's that 'dose furreners gonna tek r jerbs'. It's not their fault that they refuse to learn anything about Islam to try and educate themselves, it's 'oh Gawd dey wanna impoz shareea laws headscarves burkas herpaderpaderp'.
This isn't the first time this has happened, and this certainly won't be the fucking last time.
What a world, in which when we talk about a fucking mass shooting, we've got to ask "which mass shooting?" before we continue.
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They know exactly what they're doing. They don't say the obvious because either they agree with it or because they know their bosses who do agree will can their asses. Look what happened to every media type who opposed the Iraq War. Where are they now? And much like Iraq, they're not going to admit this is bad until a LOT of people are dead. And no one will face any consequences for fostering these atrocities.
Speaking of atrocities no one will be held accountable for, I said this on Twitter, but it bears repeating. The only way this is going to stop is to treat stochastic terrorism the same as terrorism. The people you mention should have been thrown in jail years ago.
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He called the police and the dude is now in custody.
This was in Wellington near the airport. Probably unrelated to the Christchurch shootings but damn.
jesus its just so monstrous
Anders Breivik got a lot of his inspiration from the American right.
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And the American right got its inspiration from European fascists. This isn't a blame game. It's a global problem.
Most of them did. It's just that America's 2016 election was the first time they've tasted power in a long time; so they're trying to emulate it- hate brown people, blame everyone else for your weakness, find a local ethnic group you can paint as the ubiquitous "they", then stir up shit just enough until the fuckheads take the lead.
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yes but he was focussed very much on european concerns about his own countries immigration and specific left wing political parties. Im not saying they arent massively intertwined and similar, its the same racism and the same hatred and basically the same ideology, but to say that the US is an exporter of this isnt really accurate. I mean exporter of what exactly? The ideology, the methodology? Its too broad in my opinion to be a useful way of examining whats happening.
I would say its less the US exporting this ideology, and more the ideology becoming homogenized as internet pushes these ideologies together, the most popular ideas float to the top. The US is a massive component of this kind of process, but it also takes cues in turn from the globalised discourse. Modern US far right extremists are both a part of this process and beholden to it. Ie, they arent sending ideas out in an "export" stream, its a more complicated and two way process than that.
I hate that this has happened here, but at least it seems like the police have reacted quickly and with an abundance of caution to minimize casualties. Here's hoping that the victims recover, and no one else dies.
It hurts to see this happen again, apparently by someone with the same xenophobic motivations.
I hope the country can heal from this. What a tragedy.
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In the video I saw, he had painted the names of European kings (such as Bohemond II of Antioch) and dates of various battles against Muslim armies, such as Shipka Pass 1877 and Vienna 1683. idk why anyone thought the Bulgarian Army at Shipka Pass needed avenging, and I doubt the Bulgarians who died there would feel honored to know that some completely unrelated Muslim women were executed on their behalf
basically this guy was an ultra cringy crusader larper who just committed modern New Zealand's worst atrocity in order to avenge all zero of the muslim terrorist attacks on New Zealand
From what I understand it was a mix of a bunch of stuff. Some shooters who had shot up mosques, some historical figures associated with fascism/white supremacy (I think one of the leaders of the UK Fascist party was one of them), and then also victims of terrorist attacks by Muslims. All on a bunch of different guns and magazines.