[Heroes of the Storm] Coronavirus can't kill HotS if it's already dead #rollsafe

Inquisitor77

If you don't have any consistent CC then Qhira is basically Illidan+Sonya on steroids. It's kind of insane.

As Illidan, I dueled a Qhira and dodged literally 3 skillshots in succession, then chased her halfway down the lane and brought her down to 20% HP, only to have her turn on me at her wall and in short order chunk 2/3 of my HP while healing herself back up.

Nani the fuck? Why does one hero require so much more work to get so much less reward while the other just points a straight-line skillshot and bodies someone?

Dibby

playing illidan in 2019 LUL

forty

I wonder what state she'll be in by the time I finally buy and play her in a couple months.

Zek

New heroes being accidentally-but-maybe-on-purpose overpowered is a tried and true tradition in HotS. At this point if it gets them more sales I won't hold it against them.

milk ducks

I made that same assessment a few pages back, that heroes are often accidentally-but-maybe-on-purpose overpowered at launch, and Dibby said the team was just bad at balance, lol. Oh, Dibby I love you man

forty

Now that there are only 2 people working on the game it's probably harder to balance heroes.

kime

milk ducks wrote: »

I made that same assessment a few pages back, that heroes are often accidentally-but-maybe-on-purpose overpowered at launch, and Dibby said the team was just bad at balance, lol. Oh, Dibby I love you man

Both are probably true, tbh.

Munkus Beaver

WE DID IT BOYS

WE FINALLY ALL UP INS

Dibby

milk ducks wrote: »

I made that same assessment a few pages back, that heroes are often accidentally-but-maybe-on-purpose overpowered at launch, and Dibby said the team was just bad at balance, lol. Oh, Dibby I love you man

i wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, i mean, but after playing her....... i dunno, you're probably right...............................

I needed anime to post.

just stun her!

Knight_

i think it's just a late stage moba problem.

all the easy kits are done, so you end up making more and more ridiculous overloaded shit to come up with something "new"

SeGaTai

I imagine they also really only make the kit and aren't really thinking about the role she will settle into.

Making her over powered she gets used for everything, and then pare down parts of the kit so it settles into a role

Dibby

Knight_ wrote: »

i think it's just a late stage moba problem.

all the easy kits are done, so you end up making more and more ridiculous overloaded shit to come up with something "new"

i mean she looks and feels like a fucking League hero so that's where we're at right now i guess

Dibby

anyway real talk tho, Qhira is actually pretty susceptible to being blown up, but, it's a matter of knowing when to push your damn buttons against her. so, so often i will see the enemy qhira walk up into my team smash E and ALL my fucking teammates blow LITERALLY ALL THEIR BUTTONS right as she starts spinning and it's fucking insanity to watch.

like i can beat enemy Qhiras in lane as Qhira just by getting them to use their E first. because whoever Es first fucking loses since i can just punish her with mine as soon as the loop-de-loop ends. that's how you punish her in general, you hold your shit until she stops beyblading. that's her ONLY source of mobility! otherwise she's a sitting duck! i mean grappling hook exists, but.

but it's fucking insane though, i walk up to a team of like KT/Valla/etc and i smash E and watch gravity lapse/rain of vengeance/flamestrike ALL GO OFF AS I'M SPINNING and then i fucking murder them because they don't have their buttons! it's not even like a fucking zeratul who has a million ways to blink in and out or an illidan/tracer who can constantly dodge skillshots. just fucking be patient!!! eat then stun and THEN punish her.

her damage is fucking ludicrous though, yes, and that will most certainly need a nerf, but she's not some sort of unstoppable god. i saw my team get 1v3'd simply because they were fuckin' morons about it and were too goddamn scared to turn around and hit her.

other sidenotes though, unstoppable and cleanse will end the spin early, i saw a sylv teleport as soon as i gripped her and it ruined my shit because i was horrendously out of position. also tracer eats qhira for breakfast and genji is pretty good too (he can E away into base as soon as Qhira smacks him with the beyblade).

SeGaTai

I've been busy and haven't played her yet, but is having a cleanse enough to punish her, just dropping her off the spin early in a bad spot

Knight_

this

that's her ONLY source of mobility! otherwise she's a sitting duck! i mean grappling hook exists, but.

is the most overloaded moba hero sentence ever

"x is the only thing she can do to stop being blown up. well. unless y or z or ready, i guess those work too."

Smrtnik

Knight_ wrote: »

this

that's her ONLY source of mobility! otherwise she's a sitting duck! i mean grappling hook exists, but.

is the most overloaded moba hero sentence ever

"x is the only thing she can do to stop being blown up. well. unless y or z or ready, i guess those work too."

And y is a 30 second trait!

Dibby

SeGaTai wrote: »

I've been busy and haven't played her yet, but is having a cleanse enough to punish her, just dropping her off the spin early in a bad spot

it's not enough honestly, but it was worth mentioning nonetheless. it reduces some of her value at least since it prevents the stun.

Knight_ wrote: »

this

that's her ONLY source of mobility! otherwise she's a sitting duck! i mean grappling hook exists, but.

is the most overloaded moba hero sentence ever

"x is the only thing she can do to stop being blown up. well. unless y or z or ready, i guess those work too."

i mean i'm not disagreeing. i'm most certainly not defending her state or saying "just stun her, lol!!", but it is aggravating watching my teammates be completely unaware of how to actually punish her because they blow their buttons as soon as she walks up and she just zoops out of it all

but then again we're talking about the same people that blow pyroblasts on murky!

forty

How dare they not completely master countering this brand new hero already!

Munkus Beaver

Gary can counter her by chucking the E target way back.

A healer with a cleanse can counter her because cleanse makes her ploop out of her E

Dibby

forty wrote: »

How dare they not completely master countering this brand new hero already!

that's not what i'm saying at fucking all

Munkus Beaver

Oh and I was a bit off.

Gary's chuck will just drop qhira off. Any unstoppable effect drops qhira like a bag of rocks off her loop de loop target

A Dabble Of Thelonius

There are 2 qhiras

Allied - jump in 1 vs anything - die

Enemy - best friends with healer. Never dies. Kills everyone.

Dibby

A Dabble Of Thelonius wrote: »

There are 2 qhiras

Allied - jump in 1 vs anything - die

Enemy - best friends with healer. Never dies. Kills everyone.

classic our hero vs their hero.

classic

Munkus Beaver

The most disgusting qhira thing I saw was when we had no unstoppable and the enemy team took qhira BW.

Qhira dives in, BW Z's her, she gets massive heals from her shit and never dies.

A Dabble Of Thelonius

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

The most disgusting qhira thing I saw was when we had no unstoppable and the enemy team took qhira BW.

Qhira dives in, BW Z's her, she gets massive heals from her shit and never dies.

Christ, yeah that's rough stuff.

All I know for sure is her poison is stupid OP

Zek

They did an AMA today, nothing amazing but the main one I took away from it was this:

Hi, /u/Zer0ofTime! Great question!

Historically, we've shied away from roadmaps because game development is much more art than science, and best laid plans often fall apart - sometimes because we change our minds on what we want to do, and other times because we can't do what we wanted to do when we wanted to do it. Still, we love to talk about the things we have coming so we can get your feedback, but we usually do this when these things are solidified enough that we feel confident in being able to deliver them. Even then, there have been many times over Heroes' lifespan that we've shared something we have in the works with the community only to never deliver it. That feels like crap to us, and to you. We don't like feeling like crap. Or for you to feel like crap. So we keep things close to the vest, and we try to surprise and delight by announcing things when their delivery imminent.

All of that said, I recognize that the industry has changed around us. Games as service has evolved and there are teams out there doing great work and being MUCH more communicative about what's coming. So we'll put some thought into this and see if there's a middle ground that can give you all something to look forward to and schedule your gaming time around while avoiding feeling like crap wherever possible.

In the meantime, the closest we'll get to a roadmap today is reiterating that we're really enjoying the groove we've been getting into with frequent, meaningful balance changes, oft-requested feature additions/improvements, lots of hero reworks, our quarterly seasonal themed events, and evolving Storm League seasons. Sprinkle new heroes in, and garnish with love, and that's Heroes of the Storm for the foreseeable future.

Let us see how much more roadmap-y we're comfortable going from there, and give us your thoughts on what info is most important to you.

Thanks!

Basically it's kinda-sorta a commitment that they intend to maintain the current pace of development into the future.

Inquisitor77

Adventures with @Saeris

What kind of person queues as Kharazim only to spend half the game solo jungling? This kind of person:

Two games later...


Alex Trebek: "This team composition is super fucking toxic."
Ken Jennings:

P.S. - We still won because fuck that team.

MMMig

They obv lost because it wasn't in the form of a question.

SeGaTai

Zek wrote: »

They did an AMA today, nothing amazing but the main one I took away from it was this:


Basically it's kinda-sorta a commitment that they intend to maintain the current pace of development into the future.

Thanks for looking through it - I'm always curious if there are any good takeaways from these things but it's so much (any) effort to go through it looking for answers to decent questions

milk ducks

Inquisitor77 wrote: »

Adventures with @Saeris

What kind of person queues as Kharazim only to spend half the game solo jungling? This kind of person:

Two games later...


Alex Trebek: "This team composition is super fucking toxic."
Ken Jennings:

P.S. - We still won because fuck that team.

I'd make the thread title "What is, 'Fuck this team?", but the last time I had swear words in the title people said it was getting them in trouble at work or some shit. As if looking at the PA forums when you're supposed to be working is totally fine lol.

Dibby

whoops looks like Qhira is actually underpowered you guys!! guess she needs some buffs.

kime

Wait what happened? What changed from her being OP yesterday?

I needed anime to post.

dibby started playing worse

Dibby

kime wrote: »

Wait what happened? What changed from her being OP yesterday?

quick match :^)

Dibby

today i saw a kerrigan on my team doing E>W instead of W>E

i told them that the combo is W>E instead of E>W

"what's W?"

"the stun?"

"that's a stun? i thought that was a taunt."

.......................

PMAvers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UooHwBV01M

Dibby

i have to take a break from hots for a bit because i'm getting stressed beyond belief

i think the final straw for me was i was on qhira and our lunara was bitching me out for not doing as much damage as their qhira

and i'm like look i have to play safer because i get punished for diving in, they have poly and gravity lapse and way too much poke and our team has nothing to stop the enemy qhira

and our lunara goes "they don't have poly idiot"

.....

...................

i'm fucking done. game's dead dead dead.


edit: game in question i guess:



yeah yknow nevermind the fact that we didn't have a tank or any conceivable frontline.

"but medivh!" medivh was fucking bad, breh. was constantly doing that stupid shit where he solo teleports behind the enemy backline, gets poly'd/stunned and dies instantly because he thinks he's some gosu shit so that means no portal/shield for me. also he didn't take poly bomb to stop the enemy qhira so she was just on a rampage all fucking game and we had no CC to stop her.

but nevermind the fact that despite my damage being lower i had more kills and lower deaths.

nevermind that at all because all that matters is the scoreboard :^)

forty

Carbot even worked a joke about the shitty conveyor belts into that episode, right after we had a rant about that map. Nice.

Saeris

Is it just me or is anyone else seeing multiple chests reduced to one? In other words, if you have more than one chest waiting to be opened, there's actually just one. The rest vanish.