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How fucked is my Surface Pro 4?

ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito!Registered User regular
edited June 2019 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey guys- I've had my surface pro 4 since 2016. I'm in love with this little guy, and it got me through my postdoc and my first year as a professor.

However, I've been running into some serious issues, and I want to know if A. these things can be fixed B. How to fix them and C. how much they would cost to fix.

First things first, and kind of the big one:

The screen on the left side of the surface is pulling apart from the rest of the computer.


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The second thing is more annoying than worrysome.

I tried to do a factory reset of my device, since the Hard Drive is mostly full (of a lot of junk!) and all my data is backed up already.

I followed this guide, but every time I tried it (three times!) it encounters an unknown error and fails.

Aside from the screen pulling apart and being unable to reset the device, the computer still runs fine. It doesn't hang or throw any errors, I just wanted to clean it out and start over.

Help? Advice?

Arch on

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    This person has a similar issue to you arch: https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/414228/Surface+Pro+screen+popping+out+of+the+chassis

    I've never had good luck setting them back to factory defaults, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I think I had to do a fresh install from windows 10 on USB to get it to work on my friends but don't attempt that if you're not comfortable.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    Wait, if that article is true, then the screen problems are probably due to my battery expanding, and as such the surface is probably fucked.

    .....shit

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Yeah my first thought was the battery was fubar because you see it in laptops occasionally but I couldn't tell from your photo.

    Here's a guide on how to fix it, but ehhhhhhhhhhhh, even being IT myself I don't know if I'd attempt that on my own machine.

    https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+4+Battery+Replacement/60358

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    Yeah... I wouldn't try to DIY fix my Surface. And you just reminded me that my Surface Pro (2017) is out of warranty too. D

    Oddly enough, it's possible that you don't have enough space on your drive to factory reset your entire drive. They may create a temporary recovery partition, to do so. But I think it's supposed to tell you that, and not just give you an error? IDK.

    As for your space issue, the Surface Pro 4 should supports microsd cards, and 128gbs are fairly cheap these days.

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    There is no world in which I fuck with replacing a battery in my surface. I wonder if it would be more cost-effective to find a shop that could fix it (or see if Microsoft can fix it). I can't really afford another laptop right now, especially since I'd want another surface.

  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Microsoft quoted me 500 to fix the same problem. I donno if thats still the case. It was cheaper than buying a new, equivalent laptop, but too much for me at the time, so my surface is just rotting in a corner (it eventually completely died).

  • PixiePixie They/Them Registered User regular
    We use dozens of surface pros in the company I work for. Any time one starts coming apart like that from the battery expanding, the IT department tosses it. It's apparently not cost effective to have it repaired.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Yeah $500 would probably be what MS would charge.

    Some of those cell phone shops will do it too for like $200ish too, so you might luck out there.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    bowen wrote: »
    Yeah my first thought was the battery was fubar because you see it in laptops occasionally but I couldn't tell from your photo.

    Here's a guide on how to fix it, but ehhhhhhhhhhhh, even being IT myself I don't know if I'd attempt that on my own machine.

    https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+4+Battery+Replacement/60358

    Yeah but if it's the difference between a laptop and no laptop, might as well give it a-

    Oh my God what is this $80 tools list about?
    Tools Needed

    Heat Gun
    $19.99

    Suction Handle
    $2.99

    T5 Torx Screwdriver
    $6.99

    T3 Torx Screwdriver
    $9.99

    T4 Torx Screwdriver
    $8.99

    iFixit Opening Tools
    $4.99

    iOpener Kit
    $19.99

    iFixit Opening Picks set of 6
    $4.99

    Tesa 61395 Tape
    $5.99

    Then 14 screws, a square foot of thermal paste, two "gently pry this bit out BUT NOT TOO HARD" steps...

    Ok, nevermind. That all sounds like a fair to decent chance of making it worse if you're not super confident in all it entails. (Particularly the prying and pasting)

    ArbitraryDescriptor on
  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Yeah my first thought was the battery was fubar because you see it in laptops occasionally but I couldn't tell from your photo.

    Here's a guide on how to fix it, but ehhhhhhhhhhhh, even being IT myself I don't know if I'd attempt that on my own machine.

    https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+4+Battery+Replacement/60358

    Yeah but if it's the difference between a laptop and no laptop, might as well give it a-

    Oh my God what is this $80 tools list about?
    Tools Needed

    Heat Gun
    $19.99

    Suction Handle
    $2.99

    T5 Torx Screwdriver
    $6.99

    T3 Torx Screwdriver
    $9.99

    T4 Torx Screwdriver
    $8.99

    iFixit Opening Tools
    $4.99

    iOpener Kit
    $19.99

    iFixit Opening Picks set of 6
    $4.99

    Tesa 61395 Tape
    $5.99

    Then 14 screws, a square foot of thermal paste, two "gently pry this bit out BUT NOT TOO HARD" steps...

    Ok, nevermind. That all sounds like a fair to decent chance of making it worse if you're not super confident in all it entails. (Particularly the prying and pasting)

    Making it worse than a likely-to-happen thermal event? I mean... maybe, but you're really not going to be using the computer at all if the battery is expanding like that.

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Yeah my first thought was the battery was fubar because you see it in laptops occasionally but I couldn't tell from your photo.

    Here's a guide on how to fix it, but ehhhhhhhhhhhh, even being IT myself I don't know if I'd attempt that on my own machine.

    https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+4+Battery+Replacement/60358

    Yeah but if it's the difference between a laptop and no laptop, might as well give it a-

    Oh my God what is this $80 tools list about?
    Tools Needed

    Heat Gun
    $19.99

    Suction Handle
    $2.99

    T5 Torx Screwdriver
    $6.99

    T3 Torx Screwdriver
    $9.99

    T4 Torx Screwdriver
    $8.99

    iFixit Opening Tools
    $4.99

    iOpener Kit
    $19.99

    iFixit Opening Picks set of 6
    $4.99

    Tesa 61395 Tape
    $5.99

    Then 14 screws, a square foot of thermal paste, two "gently pry this bit out BUT NOT TOO HARD" steps...

    Ok, nevermind. That all sounds like a fair to decent chance of making it worse if you're not super confident in all it entails. (Particularly the prying and pasting)

    Making it worse than a likely-to-happen thermal event? I mean... maybe, but you're really not going to be using the computer at all if the battery is expanding like that.

    More* along the lines of: if you break something else you're back where you started, less $130, with a more thoroughly voided warranty. Though if the battery is a genuine fire hazard, I'd be surprised if MS wouldn't offer to replace it to avoid the PR hit.

    I note that Googling "surface pro 4 battery bulge/expanding/swelling)" has so far yielded zero "then it exploded" stories, and a few recent anecdotes about MS offering to replace bulging, out of warranty SP4s.


    *But also, that last step sounds a bit nerve wracking on a bulging battery:
    The battery is attached to the device by strong adhesive tape. Use a plastic opening tool to pry around the underside of the battery.

    Peel the battery up and away from the bottom of the device.

    (!) Do not use metal tools for this step. the battery can leak harmful substances if punctured
    Emphasis not mine.

  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    I have successfully taken apart and reassembled a surface pro. Afterward it joined almost any Apple laptop later than the candy colored toilet seats on the list of shit you can take straight to somebody else's bench. There are devices that are "not made to be disassembled," but this falls into the category of "made to not be disassembled."

    Anything of the sort, the screen is a potential sudden unexpected expense - dealing with any tablet or smart phone I don't even touch it until I've ordered a replacement digitizer (this is about a $200 part). There's a chance it'll survive if you're experienced and careful (and lucky), but the problem is the heat to melt the glue. Any heat enough to soften the glue will also be enough to damage the screen (and if you go even a few seconds too long on a spot, the boards behind it), heat makes the glass more brittle, and you've got to put a little bit of torque on it while you work your way around. If "gently bend the glass" sounds like a crazy sentence that's because it's a crazy sentence.. And if you don't use enough heat (like thinking your $80 high end hair dryer will work rather than go buy a $9.99 heat gun from Harbor Freight), not only will the screen break, you and your children and their children will spend the rest of eternity with tweezers picking glass shards out of the glue line.


    Any kind of battery issues like this, contact the manufacturer before you do anything else. After what happened to Samsung (over and over) a fair few are skittish about lithium batteries exploding.

    Hevach on
  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    I think microsoft just replaces the computer instead of trying to fix it. I got the extended warranty for mine and pay 50 bucks for a new one if anything happens to it

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Microsoft definitely does not fix these things - they send 'em to the refurb factory and give you a new one, which they transfer data to via custom tools.

    Source: Supported a ton of these things at my last job. Also, I have tried to destroy one of these things in order to rip the hdd out of it to get at some data, and I had to work my ass off getting inside it after I literally bashed the screen enough to start tearing pieces of it out. Getting in those fuckers is hard even if you are actively trying to destroy it in the process, nevermind trying to keep it intact...

  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    So what I'm hearing is A) contact Microsoft and then most likely be B) get a new laptop is what my roadmap is.

    Cool, thanks y'all

  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    I have a Surface Pro 4, but mine was $2500 because of my customizations, so this thread worries me. I’m not sure what I would do if I ran into this issue. $500 is crazy expensive but it still might be worth it in that situation.

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  • MechMantisMechMantis Registered User regular
    Yeah, the Pro 4s are known to catch bad cases of battery-exploditis. I was really liking mine until I encountered that problem, and was likely going to get a replacement until I saw that WHOOPS IT'S A SUPER COMMON PROBLEM.

    Went with something a bit more reliable. And with better hardware specs. For cheaper.

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