On the other hand, one can eventually have an entire atlas full of T14-T16 maps. Which I love!
pretty excited for this, i understand GGG doesnt like that some players (like me) juice up a insane div card t16, and can self sustain while still making the most $$$ from elder and shaper bases
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i dont understand all this talk of "maps" what is "maps" how does one do them
Fuck I need to do Shaper/Elder/Uber Elder before the end of the league lol
Maybe I'll just pick up one of my guys from Standard and do it there
Can someone explain this requirement to me. I don't think I've ever killed Uber Elder either although I know I'm there having died plenty times to Uber Elder.
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Fuck I need to do Shaper/Elder/Uber Elder before the end of the league lol
Maybe I'll just pick up one of my guys from Standard and do it there
Can someone explain this requirement to me. I don't think I've ever killed Uber Elder either although I know I'm there having died plenty times to Uber Elder.
The Shaper/Elder storyline is being removed in 3.9 in about 3 weeks. It's being replaced by an entirely new Atlas system with it's own storyline about how the Exiles that killed Elder went mad with power and took over the Atlas.
Shaper/Elder/Uber will still be available, but with no more linear path to them, the Guardians will now be random rare Zana missions for Shaper and random map bosses for Elder. I've never done them, so I've never gotten any of the story or done the fights.
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
also a bunch of trash uniques become amazing if they retain their "socketed gems are supported by" modifiers
eg gloves that were previously a 5l are now 7l
doryanis fist now free 6/7l rather than 5l
etc
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AbsalonLands of Always WinterRegistered Userregular
As much as I do support announcing PoE 2 now, it's going to be a painful 12-16 months because the new socket system alone is so much better. Hopefully the expansions and leagues in between will be a bit of a balm.
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As much as I do support announcing PoE 2 now, it's going to be a painful 12-16 months because the new socket system alone is so much better. Hopefully the expansions and leagues in between will be a bit of a balm.
that might well go into a league before poe2 campaign officially drops
theyre rolling out all mechanics changes incrementally as they are ready to be sure they are actually good
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As much as I do support announcing PoE 2 now, it's going to be a painful 12-16 months because the new socket system alone is so much better. Hopefully the expansions and leagues in between will be a bit of a balm.
that might well go into a league before poe2 campaign officially drops
theyre rolling out all mechanics changes incrementally as they are ready to be sure they are actually good
This may change, but I believe Chris said specifically that as many changes as possible are getting rolled out as fast as possible, skills 2.0 and story 2.0 being the things waiting for PoE2
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As much as I do support announcing PoE 2 now, it's going to be a painful 12-16 months because the new socket system alone is so much better. Hopefully the expansions and leagues in between will be a bit of a balm.
that might well go into a league before poe2 campaign officially drops
theyre rolling out all mechanics changes incrementally as they are ready to be sure they are actually good
This may change, but I believe Chris said specifically that as many changes as possible are getting rolled out as fast as possible, skills 2.0 and story 2.0 being the things waiting for PoE2
Yeah I heard this too, like the defining difference between the two games is the socket system.
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
i wasn't listening too closely so could well be right but we can always hope
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BrodyThe WatchThe First ShoreRegistered Userregular
I'm guessing trying to lay out a 3.9 tree right now is likely a fools errand?
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they seem really happy with their current tree, id suspect minor changes at best
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
3.9 tree will have different bow nodes for sure
every time they do a skill revamp and add new supports/mechanics they intensify the detail and interest of the associated passive areas
but would be broadly similar elsewhere
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Ah, I was looking at a bow build. But it was fun to kind of tool around in that area anyways. Its nice starting out down relatively close to all those life nodes.
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
the truth of builds is that given the only requirements are [credible life/defense investment] + [credible offensive investment (that due to scaling issues is basically a reasonably similar number of nodes each time due to marginal returns then jewelsockets.jpg)] + [can i path to keystones] its almost never the case u find something super interesting with build planning unless its jewel socket shenanigans imo
even if u realise at level 80 ur build sucks its like hey, u got 16 free regrets and a bunch of c, not like u cant get those regrets real speedy!
every time they do a skill revamp and add new supports/mechanics they intensify the detail and interest of the associated passive areas
but would be broadly similar elsewhere
GGG has a history of nerfing what's currently the meta and then over correcting in a weak area such that it becomes the new meta. If you look at Legion, for example, they buffed melee and drastically over corrected on cyclone. Then in Blight, they nerfed cyclone and drastically over corrected on summons. Now in metamorphosis we know they're buffing bow builds and it's not hard to predict that summons will be nerfed.
I think GGG has a really strong handle on how their game works from a numbers perspective, but sometimes misses out on big ticket issues that aren't directly numbers related. For example, back in Harbinger, GGG simplified minion pathfinding to reduce server loads. The result of this was that minions moved much less often, and were effectively nerfed. Other than this issue, Minion builds have been in a good place. But GGG added Feeding Frenzy, which effectively undoes this nerf, and then buffed minion builds on top of this.
Or like with Cyclone. The melee imbalance issue isn't because melee lacks appropriate damage, it's because melee skills are, generally, limited to a very small area adjacent to their character while non-melee builds are able to hit large portions of the screen (e.g. tornado shot, which is why MF tornado shot has always been popular) or even clear the maximum area that mobs will load (ED/Contagion). Cyclone became so popular, because it's area could become so large that a normal build would be hitting to the edges of the screen, and a high end headhunter build could hit every mob in a legion 5-way.
The issues with the non-Tornado Shot bow skills aren't related to the damage they do, but the fact that they only deal damage in a small area compared to the huge spread TS gives you. Look at Lightning Arrow, Ice Shot, or other skills.
I think GGG is taking the right cue for the direction that metamorphosis appears to be headed in, with a focus on spawning more difficult to kill rares/bosses. Almost all of the leagues in Atlas of Awakening (3.0 and onwards) have been focused on clear speed meta. In fact, I think out of the past 5 leagues, only Betrayal wasn't focused on greatly rewarding clear speed. Legion was definitely the penultimate example.
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Agreed on that analysis. I am very happy Metamorph will feature more big battles rather than more mob fountains, because as much as I love GOFAST leagues I like the idea of customizing one single nasty enemy and whittling it down rather than dealing with a whole big chaotic stress-mess. I also think it's time melee and single-target builds got a league more suited to them.
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i wonder if any will have unwavering...
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AbsalonLands of Always WinterRegistered Userregular
Just realized that in a league full of bosses Slayer is going to be very very popular.
So with Elder/Shaper being pushed to the background a bit, does this mean shaped/elder items are going to become much more rare?
Imagine the prices on a good Watchers Eye
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edited November 2019
They are splitting the Elder and Shaper mods into the four new orbs' pools of mods, no? Also there are now four types of 'influence' on gear, and you can fuse two into a new one with mods from said pools. That might actually help a bit unless the new orbs and influenced items are real bastard hard to get/fuse successfully.
Fuck I need to do Shaper/Elder/Uber Elder before the end of the league lol
Maybe I'll just pick up one of my guys from Standard and do it there
Can someone explain this requirement to me. I don't think I've ever killed Uber Elder either although I know I'm there having died plenty times to Uber Elder.
Okay so heres how it worked. if you just did all the T15 maps and opened the elder fight in the center, thats regular elder. if you opened them all up, then manipulated the 'blob' so that it goes into the center and covers all 4 T15 and the T16 center maps, then do elder, you are doing uber elder.
Trust me, getting that damn blob to go where you want it can be a pain in the ass...especially when T15's are really hard for your character. Thats why people offer to do it for free...so they can test a build on him without wasting all that investment.
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
heres the thing about maps
theres no map or atlas that leads u to the true endgame... friendship
Fuck I need to do Shaper/Elder/Uber Elder before the end of the league lol
Maybe I'll just pick up one of my guys from Standard and do it there
Can someone explain this requirement to me. I don't think I've ever killed Uber Elder either although I know I'm there having died plenty times to Uber Elder.
The Shaper/Elder storyline is being removed in 3.9 in about 3 weeks. It's being replaced by an entirely new Atlas system with it's own storyline about how the Exiles that killed Elder went mad with power and took over the Atlas.
Shaper/Elder/Uber will still be available, but with no more linear path to them, the Guardians will now be random rare Zana missions for Shaper and random map bosses for Elder. I've never done them, so I've never gotten any of the story or done the fights.
So it's a lore thing. Not having actually completed Uber Elder won't impact anything otherwise (say like unlocking Scion in Act 3).
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Fuck I need to do Shaper/Elder/Uber Elder before the end of the league lol
Maybe I'll just pick up one of my guys from Standard and do it there
Can someone explain this requirement to me. I don't think I've ever killed Uber Elder either although I know I'm there having died plenty times to Uber Elder.
The Shaper/Elder storyline is being removed in 3.9 in about 3 weeks. It's being replaced by an entirely new Atlas system with it's own storyline about how the Exiles that killed Elder went mad with power and took over the Atlas.
Shaper/Elder/Uber will still be available, but with no more linear path to them, the Guardians will now be random rare Zana missions for Shaper and random map bosses for Elder. I've never done them, so I've never gotten any of the story or done the fights.
So it's a lore thing. Not having actually completed Uber Elder won't impact anything otherwise (say like unlocking Scion in Act 3).
So I just wanna clarify. 3.9 is going to have the new graphics engine right? 4.0 is going to be the skill gem (the gems link with other gems thing) changes and the new campaign right but the graphics upgrades are happening in 3.9?
I could be wrong, but I remember them saying that some areas are going to have the new graphics in 3.9, like Lioneye's Watch.
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Graphics will be updated as they come available, as the whole system is slowly replaced with new bits to no longer resemble the original. As far as I know, the only things that they are specifically holding for PoE2 are Skills 2.0 and Story 2.0.
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pretty excited for this, i understand GGG doesnt like that some players (like me) juice up a insane div card t16, and can self sustain while still making the most $$$ from elder and shaper bases
new skill system is a huge buff to doedre's skin
8 6links AND the c6curse totem
Maybe I'll just pick up one of my guys from Standard and do it there
I can easily kill Shaper/Uber Elder if you provide the guardian maps.
uhhhhh first I need to get a character that far in the Atlas lmao
Can someone explain this requirement to me. I don't think I've ever killed Uber Elder either although I know I'm there having died plenty times to Uber Elder.
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The Shaper/Elder storyline is being removed in 3.9 in about 3 weeks. It's being replaced by an entirely new Atlas system with it's own storyline about how the Exiles that killed Elder went mad with power and took over the Atlas.
Shaper/Elder/Uber will still be available, but with no more linear path to them, the Guardians will now be random rare Zana missions for Shaper and random map bosses for Elder. I've never done them, so I've never gotten any of the story or done the fights.
eg gloves that were previously a 5l are now 7l
doryanis fist now free 6/7l rather than 5l
etc
that might well go into a league before poe2 campaign officially drops
theyre rolling out all mechanics changes incrementally as they are ready to be sure they are actually good
This may change, but I believe Chris said specifically that as many changes as possible are getting rolled out as fast as possible, skills 2.0 and story 2.0 being the things waiting for PoE2
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Yeah I heard this too, like the defining difference between the two games is the socket system.
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every time they do a skill revamp and add new supports/mechanics they intensify the detail and interest of the associated passive areas
but would be broadly similar elsewhere
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even if u realise at level 80 ur build sucks its like hey, u got 16 free regrets and a bunch of c, not like u cant get those regrets real speedy!
Does scion stay unlocked? Would I be able to make one at the start of Metamorph?
Scion is unlocked forever for you now.
Fight me
GGG has a history of nerfing what's currently the meta and then over correcting in a weak area such that it becomes the new meta. If you look at Legion, for example, they buffed melee and drastically over corrected on cyclone. Then in Blight, they nerfed cyclone and drastically over corrected on summons. Now in metamorphosis we know they're buffing bow builds and it's not hard to predict that summons will be nerfed.
I think GGG has a really strong handle on how their game works from a numbers perspective, but sometimes misses out on big ticket issues that aren't directly numbers related. For example, back in Harbinger, GGG simplified minion pathfinding to reduce server loads. The result of this was that minions moved much less often, and were effectively nerfed. Other than this issue, Minion builds have been in a good place. But GGG added Feeding Frenzy, which effectively undoes this nerf, and then buffed minion builds on top of this.
Or like with Cyclone. The melee imbalance issue isn't because melee lacks appropriate damage, it's because melee skills are, generally, limited to a very small area adjacent to their character while non-melee builds are able to hit large portions of the screen (e.g. tornado shot, which is why MF tornado shot has always been popular) or even clear the maximum area that mobs will load (ED/Contagion). Cyclone became so popular, because it's area could become so large that a normal build would be hitting to the edges of the screen, and a high end headhunter build could hit every mob in a legion 5-way.
The issues with the non-Tornado Shot bow skills aren't related to the damage they do, but the fact that they only deal damage in a small area compared to the huge spread TS gives you. Look at Lightning Arrow, Ice Shot, or other skills.
I think GGG is taking the right cue for the direction that metamorphosis appears to be headed in, with a focus on spawning more difficult to kill rares/bosses. Almost all of the leagues in Atlas of Awakening (3.0 and onwards) have been focused on clear speed meta. In fact, I think out of the past 5 leagues, only Betrayal wasn't focused on greatly rewarding clear speed. Legion was definitely the penultimate example.
Imagine the prices on a good Watchers Eye
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Okay so heres how it worked. if you just did all the T15 maps and opened the elder fight in the center, thats regular elder. if you opened them all up, then manipulated the 'blob' so that it goes into the center and covers all 4 T15 and the T16 center maps, then do elder, you are doing uber elder.
Trust me, getting that damn blob to go where you want it can be a pain in the ass...especially when T15's are really hard for your character. Thats why people offer to do it for free...so they can test a build on him without wasting all that investment.
theres no map or atlas that leads u to the true endgame... friendship
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Thats why you build to solo it
So it's a lore thing. Not having actually completed Uber Elder won't impact anything otherwise (say like unlocking Scion in Act 3).
― Marcus Aurelius
Path of Exile: themightypuck
Yeah p much this.
I'd kill the shaper for the cheevo
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