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Scale Illusion [chat]

Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready.We Hunt.Registered User regular
edited July 2019 in Debate and/or Discourse
Let's try this [chat] OP again, shall we? (UDP etc. etc.)

Diana Deutsch is a prominent British-American psychologist researcher on the psychology of music. She is primarily famous for popularizing various auditory illusions. She "discovered" the scale illusion in 1973.

In the scale illusion, your ears hear a tone ascending and descending, but what is actually being played in your ears are notes that are bouncing around various intervals. Your brain craves patterns, and recognizes the tones as a scale being playing up and down like a set of stairs, rather than notes bouncing back and forth all over the place. If you can read music, you can see it notated below:
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The thing is, the illusion is much older than Diana Deutsch's paper on the scale illusion. In fact, there are multiple examples of the scale illusion being used to craft melodies throughout history. Perhaps the most famous example of the scale illusion is Tchaikovsky's Symphony No. 6 in B minor, Op. 74, also known as the Pathétique Symphony, written in 1893. It was his final finished symphony before he died in 1893, and he conducted it just days before he died.

The violins play meandering pattern of various intervals, but when played together, it forms a smooth descending melody:
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You can hear it being played (with scratchy audio) on this old clip from the TV show Nova:
https://youtu.be/XS7IAcsRcgA

Here, watch a bunch of Korean people play the 6th Symphony (A little on the nose, isn't it? A bunch of Koreans playing classical music?):
https://youtu.be/yDqCIcsUtPI

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Scale Illusion [chat] 46 votes

What illusion? That's just a normal musical scale.
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I am tone-deaf.
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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Final Space [chat] will wait. It is a show with a surprising amount of feels.

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
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    Educational OP also prompt in delivery can tell time went into this

    6/10

    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
    Obligatory Chanus Poll Option
    Also re-post from last thread:

    Apartments near me are all at $1300/month or higher for like bare minimum 1b/1b 700-800 sqft
    This is some hot bullshit.

    Seriously California you're drunk get some help

    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    What is the nature of reality, really?
    I thought this was going to be about this looping illusion:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wp3rzAdwT8

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    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    https://youtu.be/4EHbt_kSkG8

    And this one has a bit of spoilers but its great.

    https://youtu.be/-EoPIvPjY6U

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    This OP poll is a failure. I see no option for "I don't hear the scale, it's kinda just jumps around."

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    What is the nature of reality, really?
    Also the last poll got a total of 96 votes, with a bunch of what I suspect are kosh alts sliding in at the end to give Battletech the unexpected victory over both Gundam and EVA!!!!!

    Never put on a poll an option you don't want to win (even if you diabolically split it into two separate options)...

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    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
    Also re-post from last thread:

    Apartments near me are all at $1300/month or higher for like bare minimum 1b/1b 700-800 sqft
    This is some hot bullshit.

    Seriously California you're drunk get some help

    California sounds cheap

    1300 in Denver gets you a closet in a century old building. A walk-in if you're lucky and/or in the sketchy parts

    Yes I've been apartment shopping lately

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    What is the nature of reality, really?
    After loads of ear and transcription training, I don't fall for the illusion...that much.

    I blame my lowly relative pitch.

    No matter where you go...there you are.
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    BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    Also the last poll got a total of 96 votes, with a bunch of what I suspect are kosh alts sliding in at the end to give Battletech the unexpected victory over both Gundam and EVA!!!!!

    Never put on a poll an option you don't want to win (even if you diabolically split it into two separate options)...
    I refused to vote on grounds of conscientious objection to referring to EVAs as mechs.

    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    I am tone-deaf.
    Scales? Like on a butterfly wing?

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Apparently Grimes now participates in sensory deprivation and is having parts of her eyes removed.

    I guess it was just a matter of time before she went Full Bloodborne.

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    VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    What is the nature of reality, really?
    Arch wrote: »
    Scales? Like on a butterfly wing?

    I think you meant fish

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    What is the nature of reality, really?
    Like what peels off of seborrheic dermatitis?

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    VishNub wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Scales? Like on a butterfly wing?

    I think you meant fish

    Obviously meant dragon

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    MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Also re-post from last thread:

    Apartments near me are all at $1300/month or higher for like bare minimum 1b/1b 700-800 sqft
    This is some hot bullshit.

    Seriously California you're drunk get some help

    Only $1300/month and you get to have it all to yourself? Noice.

    Move to New Zealand
    It’s not a very important country most of the time
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    VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    What is the nature of reality, really?
    Also re-post from last thread:

    Apartments near me are all at $1300/month or higher for like bare minimum 1b/1b 700-800 sqft
    This is some hot bullshit.

    Seriously California you're drunk get some help

    California sounds cheap

    1300 in Denver gets you a closet in a century old building. A walk-in if you're lucky and/or in the sketchy parts

    Yes I've been apartment shopping lately

    Or, I paid 1700 for a 650 sq foot 1 bedroom apartment in LA, while my brother paid 1200 for a 1500 sq foot 3 bedroom house in Arvada.

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Apparently Grimes now participates in sensory deprivation and is having parts of her eyes removed.

    I guess it was just a matter of time before she went Full Bloodborne.

    Grimes... Grimes u need all of the parts of your eyes.

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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    VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    What is the nature of reality, really?
    Aioua wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Apparently Grimes now participates in sensory deprivation and is having parts of her eyes removed.

    I guess it was just a matter of time before she went Full Bloodborne.

    Grimes... Grimes u need all of the parts of your eyes.

    What do the lids really do for you?

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    Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
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    shryke wrote: »
    This OP poll is a failure. I see no option for "I don't hear the scale, it's kinda just jumps around."
    Oh, that's the Chanus option.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Mortious wrote: »
    Also re-post from last thread:

    Apartments near me are all at $1300/month or higher for like bare minimum 1b/1b 700-800 sqft
    This is some hot bullshit.

    Seriously California you're drunk get some help

    Only $1300/month and you get to have it all to yourself? Noice.

    Fancy mansion apartment here.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Grimes seems kind of like a dumb person. Like I think she's the kind of person who read web md and thinks she's a doctor.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
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    $1300 is the low end of things and not common. $1600-$1700 is the prevalent cost. More luxury apartments are being built with the starting price in the 2k range, and for this area of California (Sacramento County, Western Slope of Sierras), it's absolutely frustrating

    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
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    What is the nature of reality, really?
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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    What is the nature of reality, really?
    Also re-post from last thread:

    Apartments near me are all at $1300/month or higher for like bare minimum 1b/1b 700-800 sqft
    This is some hot bullshit.

    Seriously California you're drunk get some help

    Sac seems like a place where its worth buying because of weirdly high rents.

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    VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    What is the nature of reality, really?
    Going to the Truckee on Friday, and Mammoth on Sat/Sun.

    Mountainssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss I miss you

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Grimes seems kind of like a dumb person. Like I think she's the kind of person who read web md and thinks she's a doctor.

    Eh, it’s more like she got exposed to rich-people-targeting woo and it appealed to her.

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    What is the nature of reality, really?
    VishNub wrote: »
    Going to the Truckee on Friday, and Mammoth on Sat/Sun.

    Mountainssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss I miss you

    I'm going back up in August.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vrEljMfXYo

    Whippy wrote: »
    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    I like to ART
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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
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    Doodmann wrote: »
    Also re-post from last thread:

    Apartments near me are all at $1300/month or higher for like bare minimum 1b/1b 700-800 sqft
    This is some hot bullshit.

    Seriously California you're drunk get some help

    Sac seems like a place where its worth buying because of weirdly high rents.

    Housing prices went up as well iirc

    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    I miss mountains. And dry heat.

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    What is the nature of reality, really?
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Also re-post from last thread:

    Apartments near me are all at $1300/month or higher for like bare minimum 1b/1b 700-800 sqft
    This is some hot bullshit.

    Seriously California you're drunk get some help

    Sac seems like a place where its worth buying because of weirdly high rents.

    Housing prices went up as well iirc

    yeah but they're like 350-500 not 650-$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Whippy wrote: »
    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    I like to ART
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    Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
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    Mazzyx wrote: »
    I miss mountains. And dry heat.

    https://youtu.be/_-lklHho-k4

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Grimes seems kind of like a dumb person. Like I think she's the kind of person who read web md and thinks she's a doctor.

    Eh, it’s more like she got exposed to rich-people-targeting woo and it appealed to her.

    So dumb then? Like I get targeted by scams all the time, I'm not taking part of my eye out like a frigging idiot

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
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    Doodmann wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Also re-post from last thread:

    Apartments near me are all at $1300/month or higher for like bare minimum 1b/1b 700-800 sqft
    This is some hot bullshit.

    Seriously California you're drunk get some help

    Sac seems like a place where its worth buying because of weirdly high rents.

    Housing prices went up as well iirc

    yeah but they're like 350-500 not 650-$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Look let me be a grump damn you

    what am I gonna do otherwise tell gen y to get off my lawn

    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
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    w/re to grimes I thought blue was a relaxing color to people

    she's gonna be stressed af

    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Also re-post from last thread:

    Apartments near me are all at $1300/month or higher for like bare minimum 1b/1b 700-800 sqft
    This is some hot bullshit.

    Seriously California you're drunk get some help

    California sounds cheap

    1300 in Denver gets you a closet in a century old building. A walk-in if you're lucky and/or in the sketchy parts

    Yes I've been apartment shopping lately

    i think i have ~450ish sq ft

    our rent is $2,000/month

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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
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    Also re-post from last thread:

    Apartments near me are all at $1300/month or higher for like bare minimum 1b/1b 700-800 sqft
    This is some hot bullshit.

    Seriously California you're drunk get some help

    California sounds cheap

    1300 in Denver gets you a closet in a century old building. A walk-in if you're lucky and/or in the sketchy parts

    Yes I've been apartment shopping lately

    1300 in Charlotte gets you a md-teens floor new apartment in the middle of the city.

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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    I am so rock hard for cost of living chat let’s do this

    Please consider the environment before printing this post.
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    BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    Can't we talk about something more enjoyable instead, like the death of a loved one?

    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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