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[Magic The Gathering Arena] Fires of Treachery banned!

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    SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
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    Looks like it could get pretty strong, especially with a few on the board

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Solid staple for gw proliferate

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Yilias wrote: »
    Isn't that Pride Rock?

    the castle cycle spoiled today are all based on seats of power

    the black one is a star destroyer

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Hmm i thought it was pretty clearly like a lamp because you use it to get stuff you wanted?

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    actually you use it to get a random card off the top of your deck, not a tutor B)

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    YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    I'm looking at the red one and having a real tough time even telling what it is.

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    That building looks pretty small for a castle unless the perspective is way off. And I guess they have a bonfire out front?

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    The red one is definitely extremely hard to read with the colour scheme they used at that card size. Gonna need the full art for that one.

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Yilias wrote: »
    I'm looking at the red one and having a real tough time even telling what it is.

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    That building looks pretty small for a castle unless the perspective is way off. And I guess they have a bonfire out front?

    I think that might be the Tournament Grounds?

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    I got invited to the early access streamer event by wizards again so I'll be doing a bunch of that tuesday night next week, so @ me with decks you wanna see get tried out! I'm definitely going to see what sort of control deck with that giant sweeper I can put together because that looks like a blast.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    I got invited to the early access streamer event by wizards again so I'll be doing a bunch of that tuesday night next week, so @ me with decks you wanna see get tried out! I'm definitely going to see what sort of control deck with that giant sweeper I can put together because that looks like a blast.

    T1 Wishing Well
    T2 Lucky Clover
    T3 double animate with fairy adventures

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    I got invited to the early access streamer event by wizards again so I'll be doing a bunch of that tuesday night next week, so @ me with decks you wanna see get tried out! I'm definitely going to see what sort of control deck with that giant sweeper I can put together because that looks like a blast.

    Lovestruck Beast with Fblthp, the Lost.

    Not because it's a combo, but just because I enjoy the mental image of Beast madly in love with Fblthp.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Maybe a real answer? I dunno, this might be bad:

    WB Aristocrats with Ayara First of Lochwain, Syr Konrad the Grim, Cruel Celebrant, Rally for the Throne, Castle Ardenvale

    Maybe with a silly Witch's Oven + Cauldron's Familiar combo

    Harmonious Archon to turn your tokens into 3/3s

    Maybe a knight sub-theme with Worthy Knight and Oakhame Ranger?

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Ayara First of Lochwain could also be interesting with flicker effects

    Charming Prince, Justiciar's Portal

    If you want to abuse the Giant sweeper, you can use those to preserve your own creatures, or you can do shenanigans with Indestructible, like Gideon Blackblade, Resolute Watchdog, Sheltering Light

    T5: Syr Konrad
    T6: Sheltering Light targeting Syr Konrad, then Realm-Cloaked Giant's adventure (Cast Off), then attack with Syr
    T7: Cast the creature side of Realm-Cloaked Giant

    seems okay

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    I started playing a Gates deck and oh my, fun.

    Gates Ablaze gets outrageous if you get some good early ramp.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Echo wrote: »
    I started playing a Gates deck and oh my, fun.

    Gates Ablaze gets outrageous if you get some good early ramp.

    Get glaive on the board

    Play Lazotep Plating at the end of their turn

    throw the glaive on your army token.


    Gates decks are ludicrously fun.

    Styrofoam Sammich on
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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited September 2019
    They're so varied too! Gates just provide the engine, then you can go in several directions. This one has Gatebreaker Ram/Gate Colossus for face damage and Archway Angel for a fuckton of health gain.

    Field of the Dead is just icing on the cake.

    Echo on
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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Slipped a single Glaive in just for fun.

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Played a stodgy BW(U) deck that exiled all the opponent's stuff and then won with Kaya, Usurper because I have two of them randomly.
    Needs more BW cards in it and drop the remaining Ego, Thef U multicolours, and the locket mana sources, but it got me through Bronze because everyone sucks (me inclusive).

    Or rather it ran straight into the wall that is Silver, and stopped winning, so I switched back to my modified Chandra.dek from the giveaway, and I'm almost at gold.

    I still have no time to play though :/

    discrider on
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    WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    Man, nothing makes me lose interest in Magic faster than firing up Arena and playing some unranked games.

    I wonder how Arena is supposed to draw in new players if people with small collections (and few skills) just get routinely crushed by highly tuned decks.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Doesn't unranked do some weighted matching based on rarity levels in the deck?

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    Echo wrote: »
    Doesn't unranked do some weighted matching based on rarity levels in the deck?

    Doesn't really help if you're looking for easier opponents. Unranked is where all the top tier players test out a new deck before hitting ranked.

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    WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    Doesn't unranked do some weighted matching based on rarity levels in the deck?

    Doesn't really help if you're looking for easier opponents. Unranked is where all the top tier players test out a new deck before hitting ranked.

    Oh good.

    So where am I supposed to play? I'm guessing Draft. At least there everybody's running various flavours of jank.

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    RendRend Registered User regular
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    Doesn't unranked do some weighted matching based on rarity levels in the deck?

    Doesn't really help if you're looking for easier opponents. Unranked is where all the top tier players test out a new deck before hitting ranked.

    Oh good.

    So where am I supposed to play? I'm guessing Draft. At least there everybody's running various flavours of jank.

    You could just play ranked.

    Ideally the matchmaking algorithm will relatively quickly get you to where you belong in the skill rankings and then you'll have good games from there. Ideally, anyway.

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    SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    Rend wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    Doesn't unranked do some weighted matching based on rarity levels in the deck?

    Doesn't really help if you're looking for easier opponents. Unranked is where all the top tier players test out a new deck before hitting ranked.

    Oh good.

    So where am I supposed to play? I'm guessing Draft. At least there everybody's running various flavours of jank.

    You could just play ranked.

    Ideally the matchmaking algorithm will relatively quickly get you to where you belong in the skill rankings and then you'll have good games from there. Ideally, anyway.

    "Ranked" sounds like "Super Serious" to a new player though, and if they're anything like me just ends up being RDR or Grixis Superfriends anyway most of the time which is also no fun to play against.

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    RendRend Registered User regular
    Rend wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    Doesn't unranked do some weighted matching based on rarity levels in the deck?

    Doesn't really help if you're looking for easier opponents. Unranked is where all the top tier players test out a new deck before hitting ranked.

    Oh good.

    So where am I supposed to play? I'm guessing Draft. At least there everybody's running various flavours of jank.

    You could just play ranked.

    Ideally the matchmaking algorithm will relatively quickly get you to where you belong in the skill rankings and then you'll have good games from there. Ideally, anyway.

    "Ranked" sounds like "Super Serious" to a new player though, and if they're anything like me just ends up being RDR or Grixis Superfriends anyway most of the time which is also no fun to play against.

    Ranked does sound like serious mode, but it is also the mode in which you are explicitly saying "I want my ranking to matter," which is true both for players who want to be actively getting better and players who just kind of want good matchups.

    All I'm saying is that if you're not digging unranked matchmaking, try ranked and see if it's better. Don't avoid it just because it says ranked on it.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    Yeah even in gold levels ranked is still accessable, beyond that you get to the "only I may play" opponents.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    I kind of hate unranked because that's where I face 80% RDW looking for quick daily wins.

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    I find ranked is only better towards the end of rotation, when all the good players/tuned decks have migrated out of the lower brackets.
    Otherwise you run into the tuned decks looking to get out of Bronze all too often as well.

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    RendRend Registered User regular
    I mean in any queue you're going to get a mixture of people who are ascending in skill level, on losing steaks and are at a low, on winning steaks and are at a high, and people who have settled at the right level.

    That's just the nature of matchmaking competition. You could wait a long time so that it's as settled as possible, or you could accept variance in the quality of your opponents.

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    WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Rend wrote: »
    Rend wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    Doesn't unranked do some weighted matching based on rarity levels in the deck?

    Doesn't really help if you're looking for easier opponents. Unranked is where all the top tier players test out a new deck before hitting ranked.

    Oh good.

    So where am I supposed to play? I'm guessing Draft. At least there everybody's running various flavours of jank.

    You could just play ranked.

    Ideally the matchmaking algorithm will relatively quickly get you to where you belong in the skill rankings and then you'll have good games from there. Ideally, anyway.

    "Ranked" sounds like "Super Serious" to a new player though, and if they're anything like me just ends up being RDR or Grixis Superfriends anyway most of the time which is also no fun to play against.

    Ranked does sound like serious mode, but it is also the mode in which you are explicitly saying "I want my ranking to matter," which is true both for players who want to be actively getting better and players who just kind of want good matchups.

    All I'm saying is that if you're not digging unranked matchmaking, try ranked and see if it's better. Don't avoid it just because it says ranked on it.

    Yeah, my anxiety made it difficult for me to give Ranked a try, but after the constant hopeless losses of Unranked, I figured I'd give it a shot.

    Turns out my jank kind of does do some work there. Perhaps I'd lucked out, but I actually won enough matches to get out of the very bottom rank. My White (quasi-)Weenie deck stood up surprisingly well against a counter-heavy Blue deck.

    Also managed to get out a Turn 3 Carnage Tyrant, which was fun.

    WotanAnubis on
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    initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    So many people are playing weird slow control decks in the standard event and not the fastest uninteractive deck possible to maximize grinding the xp I don't understand it.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Oh neat, Untapped has proper stat tracking now.

    My Ramming Speed Gates deck:

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    YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Is it smart enough to split stuff by matchups?

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Yep! These are my overall matchup stats. I pretty much never play aggro decks, so unsurprisingly mono-red gives me trouble.

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Last night I was watching my partner play unranked. She literally signed up for Arena yesterday and was playing unranked with one of the mono-color intro decks (with me coaching her).

    She won about 50% of her games. Yeah, she encountered a few people playing serious business decks in unranked, but mostly they were other intro decks, and a few meme/experimental/goofy decks.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    BTW, of the current crop of intro decks, Azure Skies (mono-blue fliers) is arguably the best.

    Yeah, it's not going to go toe-to-toe with a real deck, but there are worse things in life than a deck based around Cloudkin Seer, Frost Lynx, Spectral Sailor, Winged Words, and Windstorm Drake.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
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    oh hello, better evolving wilds

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    oh for sure. I was talking with some people who didn't really understand just how bad mana was about to be, to the point where two color was going to need serious concessions to function and then they showed this and it fixed everything

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    That will help a lot, though it doesn't make manabases much faster or less clunky for people interested in 2-pip cards T2 or T3.

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    oh for sure. I was talking with some people who didn't really understand just how bad mana was about to be, to the point where two color was going to need serious concessions to function and then they showed this and it fixed everything

    I think that's overstating the case a bit, even before we saw Fabled Passage.

    Losing the checklands sucks, but we still have shocklands, and mana is never bad when shocks are around. Mana is particularly diverse right now, similar to (though not quite as ridiculous as) Tarkir block where literally the only trade-off for playing 3 colors was your bank account. A correction was inevitable.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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