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Do they really NEED the money from those guys anyway? They already make a lot, right?
Penny Arcade is many times larger than Blue Mountain eCard.
The various PAXes has brought them from kinda rich to fuck you rich. The website seams more like a hobby in comparison.
I always love when people post opinion in a very factual manner. What evidence do you have of their cash flow and balance other than "well, I'm not in that business or in fact run any sort of business, but that's what *I* think"?
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Golden YakBurnished BovineThe sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered Userregular
Do they really NEED the money from those guys anyway? They already make a lot, right?
Penny Arcade is many times larger than Blue Mountain eCard.
The various PAXes has brought them from kinda rich to fuck you rich. The website seams more like a hobby in comparison.
I always love when people post opinion in a very factual manner. What evidence do you have of their cash flow and balance other than "well, I'm not in that business or in fact run any sort of business, but that's what *I* think"?
Didn't someone at a PAX Q&A, a recent one like a year or two ago, write in a question where they declared that Jerry and Mike made so much money they basically didn't need to work anymore? Their response was the absolute negation of that assertion.
Mike - That is not true.
Jerry - If I did not have to work any more, then I would not work any more.
Mike - I would stay home and draw children's books.
Man I've been getting Blue Mountain e-cards from my dad for nearly 2 decades, because he thinks it's hilarious to get the website to read a terrible script out loud.
Do they really NEED the money from those guys anyway? They already make a lot, right?
Penny Arcade is many times larger than Blue Mountain eCard.
The various PAXes has brought them from kinda rich to fuck you rich. The website seams more like a hobby in comparison.
I always love when people post opinion in a very factual manner. What evidence do you have of their cash flow and balance other than "well, I'm not in that business or in fact run any sort of business, but that's what *I* think"?
Didn't someone at a PAX Q&A, a recent one like a year or two ago, write in a question where they declared that Jerry and Mike made so much money they basically didn't need to work anymore? Their response was the absolute negation of that assertion.
Mike - That is not true.
Jerry - If I did not have to work any more, then I would not work any more.
Mike - I would stay home and draw children's books.
Maybe we're just looking at this wrong. Maybe to zepherin, "fuck you rich" means only having to eat at Little Caesar's once a week.
I get the impression that they live a very comfortable lifestyle just seeing their homes in single-income families (to the best of my knowledge). However, plenty of employees have left PA and that's gotta be something to do with compensation and they've never struck me as the "screw everyone else, I've got mine" type of employer. They make $, but the business isn't throwing out $150k salaries to warehouse workers on up because it doesn't generate that kind of revenue.
I think ReedPop runs the conventions now due to the scope and number of them, so that's even more off the top when Reed gets its cut.
Also, yes, my definition of silly goose rich is probably very different than someone else's.
I get the impression that they live a very comfortable lifestyle just seeing their homes in single-income families (to the best of my knowledge). However, plenty of employees have left PA and that's gotta be something to do with compensation and they've never struck me as the "screw everyone else, I've got mine" type of employer. They make $, but the business isn't throwing out $150k salaries to warehouse workers on up because it doesn't generate that kind of revenue.
I think ReedPop runs the conventions now due to the scope and number of them, so that's even more off the top when Reed gets its cut.
Also, yes, my definition of silly goose rich is probably very different than someone else's.
Yeah. Our family is near $200k/year income, which compared to the family I grew up in is "fuck you" money. I had plenty of free and reduced lunches going to school, and got about as much FAFSA as you can get for college. And it would still be FY money, if I lived the same sort of lifestyle in the same area I grew up. But I live in the first ring suburb of a big city. And we max out our retirement accounts (both 401k and Roth IRAs). We send our kids to a private Montessori school. We have a modest non-McMansion home, but we put money into remodeling it. We keep a decent emergency fund, but we probably eat out too much. We both buy boring card used, and mine is a 2006 model. We spend a couple of grand on vacations a year, but really that's just to drag us and the kids to visit family in another state. And I'm splurging on PAX Unplugged this year for the first time (my first vacation for just me in at least 12 years, and the first away from the kids in 6 years), but I'm also trying to stuff as many friends into our hotel room to pinch those pennies. The only time I have ever flown non-coach has been when my company (and really, their client) pays for it, or I got some really cheap upgrade option.
All of the above TMI is just to say this: if I got fired and stayed out of work for six months, we'd be facing some hard choices. Especially once we started having to pay for our own insurance/medication. Being middle class (even upper middle class) isn't even in the same ball park as being truly rich. It affords you a nice lifestyle, but is a quantum step down from being able to escape from the hamster wheel.
If you wanted to, you can scrimp and save and be fairly well off once you're of retirement age. A friend of mine from college has actually done just that, and is retiring in his mid 40s with a nice city pension. He's single with no children and has always been pretty frugal (well, apart from the McMansion and the new trucks). But even with that, he's going to need to get a part time job while he's in retirement, or that money will run out by the time he's at "normal" retirement age.
"It's just as I've always said. We are being digested by an amoral universe."
-Tycho Brahe
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zepherinRussian warship, go fuck yourselfRegistered Userregular
Khoo had once said (I believe it was on reddit) he was going to make Jerry and Mike millionaires.
What is the definition of fuck you rich? Millionaires, billionaires?
The conventions cost a lot to run. Even small cons can run half a mill to run. Larger ones get into the mill six range in costs (insurance is sooo much money). However packing it fully and putting many vendors into booths (at 800-3600 a pop) is a good way to come out ahead.
I figure that's what happened for Khoo. Made a fortune he considered large enough to take a break/semi retire because he doesn't have kids. It wouldn't surprise me if PA is owned roughly in 1/3rds between Mike, Jerry, and Khoo taking the smaller share to give M&J control. Robert gets his ownership draws and chills. Sounds better to me than working 16+ hour days like he was around PAX time.
I hope he's doing well. His twitter is basically in radio silence apart from saying thanks to people leaving PA so I don't have a clue what he's up to.
Khoo had once said (I believe it was on reddit) he was going to make Jerry and Mike millionaires.
What is the definition of fuck you rich? Millionaires, billionaires?
The conventions cost a lot to run. Even small cons can run half a mill to run. Larger ones get into the mill six range in costs (insurance is sooo much money). However packing it fully and putting many vendors into booths (at 800-3600 a pop) is a good way to come out ahead.
Let's talk about something else Khoo once said (about PAX):
Us? We strive to break even each and every year. I won't lie to you, the cost to run the show is terrifying. I've done it for four years straight, and even now every time I see the expense lines, my skin crawls. To give you an idea, the rent alone for the center is well into the six figures.... but the real killer is electricity!
I'll take that over random guy on the internet who Knows The Truth.
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zepherinRussian warship, go fuck yourselfRegistered Userregular
Khoo had once said (I believe it was on reddit) he was going to make Jerry and Mike millionaires.
What is the definition of fuck you rich? Millionaires, billionaires?
The conventions cost a lot to run. Even small cons can run half a mill to run. Larger ones get into the mill six range in costs (insurance is sooo much money). However packing it fully and putting many vendors into booths (at 800-3600 a pop) is a good way to come out ahead.
Let's talk about something else Khoo once said (about PAX):
Us? We strive to break even each and every year. I won't lie to you, the cost to run the show is terrifying. I've done it for four years straight, and even now every time I see the expense lines, my skin crawls. To give you an idea, the rent alone for the center is well into the six figures.... but the real killer is electricity!
I'll take that over random guy on the internet who Knows The Truth.
The Real truth is the friends you made along the way.
Khoo had once said (I believe it was on reddit) he was going to make Jerry and Mike millionaires.
What is the definition of fuck you rich? Millionaires, billionaires?
The conventions cost a lot to run. Even small cons can run half a mill to run. Larger ones get into the mill six range in costs (insurance is sooo much money). However packing it fully and putting many vendors into booths (at 800-3600 a pop) is a good way to come out ahead.
Let's talk about something else Khoo once said (about PAX):
Us? We strive to break even each and every year. I won't lie to you, the cost to run the show is terrifying. I've done it for four years straight, and even now every time I see the expense lines, my skin crawls. To give you an idea, the rent alone for the center is well into the six figures.... but the real killer is electricity!
I'll take that over random guy on the internet who Knows The Truth.
I appreciate the sentiment, but don't really need you to be in these threads wildly swinging at people.
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The various PAXes has brought them from kinda rich to fuck you rich. The website seams more like a hobby in comparison.
I always love when people post opinion in a very factual manner. What evidence do you have of their cash flow and balance other than "well, I'm not in that business or in fact run any sort of business, but that's what *I* think"?
Didn't someone at a PAX Q&A, a recent one like a year or two ago, write in a question where they declared that Jerry and Mike made so much money they basically didn't need to work anymore? Their response was the absolute negation of that assertion.
Mike - That is not true.
Jerry - If I did not have to work any more, then I would not work any more.
Mike - I would stay home and draw children's books.
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Which it probably was once.
Maybe we're just looking at this wrong. Maybe to zepherin, "fuck you rich" means only having to eat at Little Caesar's once a week.
I think ReedPop runs the conventions now due to the scope and number of them, so that's even more off the top when Reed gets its cut.
Also, yes, my definition of silly goose rich is probably very different than someone else's.
Yeah. Our family is near $200k/year income, which compared to the family I grew up in is "fuck you" money. I had plenty of free and reduced lunches going to school, and got about as much FAFSA as you can get for college. And it would still be FY money, if I lived the same sort of lifestyle in the same area I grew up. But I live in the first ring suburb of a big city. And we max out our retirement accounts (both 401k and Roth IRAs). We send our kids to a private Montessori school. We have a modest non-McMansion home, but we put money into remodeling it. We keep a decent emergency fund, but we probably eat out too much. We both buy boring card used, and mine is a 2006 model. We spend a couple of grand on vacations a year, but really that's just to drag us and the kids to visit family in another state. And I'm splurging on PAX Unplugged this year for the first time (my first vacation for just me in at least 12 years, and the first away from the kids in 6 years), but I'm also trying to stuff as many friends into our hotel room to pinch those pennies. The only time I have ever flown non-coach has been when my company (and really, their client) pays for it, or I got some really cheap upgrade option.
All of the above TMI is just to say this: if I got fired and stayed out of work for six months, we'd be facing some hard choices. Especially once we started having to pay for our own insurance/medication. Being middle class (even upper middle class) isn't even in the same ball park as being truly rich. It affords you a nice lifestyle, but is a quantum step down from being able to escape from the hamster wheel.
If you wanted to, you can scrimp and save and be fairly well off once you're of retirement age. A friend of mine from college has actually done just that, and is retiring in his mid 40s with a nice city pension. He's single with no children and has always been pretty frugal (well, apart from the McMansion and the new trucks). But even with that, he's going to need to get a part time job while he's in retirement, or that money will run out by the time he's at "normal" retirement age.
-Tycho Brahe
What is the definition of fuck you rich? Millionaires, billionaires?
The conventions cost a lot to run. Even small cons can run half a mill to run. Larger ones get into the mill six range in costs (insurance is sooo much money). However packing it fully and putting many vendors into booths (at 800-3600 a pop) is a good way to come out ahead.
I hope he's doing well. His twitter is basically in radio silence apart from saying thanks to people leaving PA so I don't have a clue what he's up to.
Let's talk about something else Khoo once said (about PAX):
I'll take that over random guy on the internet who Knows The Truth.
I appreciate the sentiment, but don't really need you to be in these threads wildly swinging at people.
Yeah. I just think coffee when I see blue mountain but apparently this is a thing. it's also been around forever. heh.
do they have a url? throw money at them!