So pictures were taken if the low-res DC Timeline shown off at NYCC and it is....very confusing?
Like it straight up doesnt work, mathematically and also makes lots of characters very old?
Every generation has a length tied to it (Gen 1 was 25 years, 2 was 15, etc ) and added together the present day DCU would be in the late 1990s.
Moreover, some of the real world events that are listed (namely Hiroshima and WW2) provide a real world date to use as reference and using the years listed, Batman and Superman have been active since the 1950s and are over 60 years old?
Along with other "young" characters like Wally West and Dick Grayson being in their late 40s.
Normally I wouldn't care because continuity isn't really a huge deal but DC is the one who showed this and went OKAY WE ARE PROVIDING A DEFINITIVE TIMELINE THAT WILL ANSWER EVERYTHING and whoops it just did the opposite
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Still better than inventing your own special version of the Vietnam War which happened after 9/11.
By far my favorite thing so far is finding the perfect space for the Siancong War, which is brand-new, created for this book. I've been contending for years that, just as the origin of the FF "floats" a perpetual twelve to thirteen years behind current day rather than forcing the characters to age in real time as if they really went up in their rocket ship in 1961, we should also create a "floating conflict" to serve a similar purpose for characters whose origins are tied to specific wars. The Punisher's origin, for instance, was originally tied to Vietnam, but the longer it's anchored specifically there, the stranger it gets that Frank Castle isn't seventy years old. Likewise, over the years, we've moved Iron Man's origin from Vietnam to the Persian Gulf War and so forth to keep Tony Stark from being over eighty, and it's time we found it a permanent home. Now and forevermore, those characters, along with veterans like Rhodey, Reed Richards, and Ben Grimm will be said to have fought in the Siancong War, a single conflict that will hang perpetually about fifteen years behind current continuity -- and about which you'll read more someday soon.
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By far my favorite thing so far is finding the perfect space for the Siancong War, which is brand-new, created for this book. I've been contending for years that, just as the origin of the FF "floats" a perpetual twelve to thirteen years behind current day rather than forcing the characters to age in real time as if they really went up in their rocket ship in 1961, we should also create a "floating conflict" to serve a similar purpose for characters whose origins are tied to specific wars. The Punisher's origin, for instance, was originally tied to Vietnam, but the longer it's anchored specifically there, the stranger it gets that Frank Castle isn't seventy years old. Likewise, over the years, we've moved Iron Man's origin from Vietnam to the Persian Gulf War and so forth to keep Tony Stark from being over eighty, and it's time we found it a permanent home. Now and forevermore, those characters, along with veterans like Rhodey, Reed Richards, and Ben Grimm will be said to have fought in the Siancong War, a single conflict that will hang perpetually about fifteen years behind current continuity -- and about which you'll read more someday soon.
This is such a weird idea.
Like you're not "correcting mistakes", you're just writing the thing that makes sense when you're writing and trusting readers to stay on top of things. They aren't anchored anywhere, because the story being told doesn't need to include a little itemized biography of the characters in it every time.
Like I forgot Ben Grimm or Reed Richards were supposed to be veterans because I can't remember that being something a writer has put at the forefront for like... decades.
By far my favorite thing so far is finding the perfect space for the Siancong War, which is brand-new, created for this book. I've been contending for years that, just as the origin of the FF "floats" a perpetual twelve to thirteen years behind current day rather than forcing the characters to age in real time as if they really went up in their rocket ship in 1961, we should also create a "floating conflict" to serve a similar purpose for characters whose origins are tied to specific wars. The Punisher's origin, for instance, was originally tied to Vietnam, but the longer it's anchored specifically there, the stranger it gets that Frank Castle isn't seventy years old. Likewise, over the years, we've moved Iron Man's origin from Vietnam to the Persian Gulf War and so forth to keep Tony Stark from being over eighty, and it's time we found it a permanent home. Now and forevermore, those characters, along with veterans like Rhodey, Reed Richards, and Ben Grimm will be said to have fought in the Siancong War, a single conflict that will hang perpetually about fifteen years behind current continuity -- and about which you'll read more someday soon.
This is such a weird idea.
Like you're not "correcting mistakes", you're just writing the thing that makes sense when you're writing and trusting readers to stay on top of things. They aren't anchored anywhere, because the story being told doesn't need to include a little itemized biography of the characters in it every time.
Like I forgot Ben Grimm or Reed Richards were supposed to be veterans because I can't remember that being something a writer has put at the forefront for like... decades.
Plus you could just go simpler and mention "the war" and readers will automatically add in whatever they feel is the appropriate answer to that label.
Like I forgot Ben Grimm or Reed Richards were supposed to be veterans because I can't remember that being something a writer has put at the forefront for like... decades.
Also, Ben and Reed are supposed to be WWII vets. Don't drag their names through the mud by involving them with your pseudo-'Nam, you arsehole!
i....lucked into? a copy of blackest night and am finally reading it.
it is exponentially worse than i had originally imagined
It is a sight to behold
i am fascinated by how awful this is and actively irritated someone got paid to write it
Make "sure" to grab the Blackest Night Companion volume where EVERY SINGLE ISSUE is "Oh no my loved one is back from the dead! This is really upsetting! You're not them, truly! Or... are you? Welp, that'll have to be unresolved because defeating these things is entirely up to the core book so this whole tie in was meaningless." A good 19 issues or so of that, available in a hardback trade for your reading pleasure!
I feel like some of it worked, but a lot of it felt like Sonic OC do not steal. Just X color + Y vague emotion/motivation = all the powers of Green Lantern plus...
I can't remember if it was Sinestro Corps War or Blackest Night, but one of those events was the first time I liked the tie-ins more than the actual main event.
Which is a bummer because I like everything else in the clip
I liked everything in that clip... except for the fact that it was Deathstroke. The line reads were good, but none of that monologue is something Deathstroke (or the one in my head, anyway) would say/give a shit about.
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The other corps should have different names like Sinestro and Star Sapphires do
I can't remember if it was Sinestro Corps War or Blackest Night, but one of those events was the first time I liked the tie-ins more than the actual main event.
Which is a bummer because I like everything else in the clip
I liked everything in that clip... except for the fact that it was Deathstroke. The line reads were good, but none of that monologue is something Deathstroke (or the one in my head, anyway) would say/give a shit about.
Nah I can see versions of Deathstroke totally being down with killing a horrific dictator and replacing him with his less horrific general as long as he still gets paid
Slade varies from total scumbag to merc with some ethics depending on the writer
I can't remember if it was Sinestro Corps War or Blackest Night, but one of those events was the first time I liked the tie-ins more than the actual main event.
Which is a bummer because I like everything else in the clip
I liked everything in that clip... except for the fact that it was Deathstroke. The line reads were good, but none of that monologue is something Deathstroke (or the one in my head, anyway) would say/give a shit about.
This seems to be a scene lifted from Christopher Priest's Deathstroke run. So... he would do and say that if written by Priest.
By far my favorite thing so far is finding the perfect space for the Siancong War, which is brand-new, created for this book. I've been contending for years that, just as the origin of the FF "floats" a perpetual twelve to thirteen years behind current day rather than forcing the characters to age in real time as if they really went up in their rocket ship in 1961, we should also create a "floating conflict" to serve a similar purpose for characters whose origins are tied to specific wars. The Punisher's origin, for instance, was originally tied to Vietnam, but the longer it's anchored specifically there, the stranger it gets that Frank Castle isn't seventy years old. Likewise, over the years, we've moved Iron Man's origin from Vietnam to the Persian Gulf War and so forth to keep Tony Stark from being over eighty, and it's time we found it a permanent home. Now and forevermore, those characters, along with veterans like Rhodey, Reed Richards, and Ben Grimm will be said to have fought in the Siancong War, a single conflict that will hang perpetually about fifteen years behind current continuity -- and about which you'll read more someday soon.
this is the funniest thing i've read all week
don't worry mark. america is going to keep doing wars, you're not going to run out of wars
like you don't need a fake vietnam that happened after 9/11. they did a real vietnam after 9/11, you can just use that
I mean... the advantage of a fictional war in a fictional universe is that they can say whatever needed to happen for their story did happen without misrepresenting a REAL war and the consequences thereof. Like if you want to tell a heroic story of your fake war, you're not glorifying a really awful conflict to do that. And if you want to tell a really grim story of a war fought for bad reasons, it doesn't require you to guess at information that's still unknown from a real conflict. Just as two examples. I'm kind of not seeing how it's such a terrible (offensive?) idea on its face?
Like yeah, you're right, it doesn't make sense that Punisher was in Vietnam
But it also doesn't make sense that he was an angel that one time, or a Frankenstein, and yet somehow people manage to deal with that
This sort of argument gets bandied about a lot when this sort of things comes up. These seem like two kinds of very different versions of not making sense. Each piece of media sets up its own internal logic you need to buy-in for in order to enjoy it. I can buy in to Zombies and super science and magic. Heck it's not even hard. These are all classic ideas which Im very familiar with. That doesn't affect the fact that much comics is difficult for me to get past. Comic book hyper time doesn't make sense to me and actively pushes me away from some stories. Anything that reminds me that Kitty Pryde has aged a lot more than the original X-men irks me. Im fine with Magneto being very old and therefore being able to be connected to WW2 but when they try to act like he was alive during WW2 and also is young in present day that makes it harder for to take. We were all discussing how the DC timeline doesn't seem to make sense. It clearly matters to people.
That said this doesn't solve that problem for me either.
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Fine, fine, I'll create a Marvel chronological timeline.
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It seems like there's an awful lot of thought put into working out accurate time lines in comic books considering how many time altering mcguffins and characters are in play in both DC and Marvel settings.
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Like it straight up doesnt work, mathematically and also makes lots of characters very old?
Moreover, some of the real world events that are listed (namely Hiroshima and WW2) provide a real world date to use as reference and using the years listed, Batman and Superman have been active since the 1950s and are over 60 years old?
Along with other "young" characters like Wally West and Dick Grayson being in their late 40s.
Normally I wouldn't care because continuity isn't really a huge deal but DC is the one who showed this and went OKAY WE ARE PROVIDING A DEFINITIVE TIMELINE THAT WILL ANSWER EVERYTHING and whoops it just did the opposite
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!
Marvel provided a coherent timeline, it is just that some of the choices they made to do that are stupid as shit
This timeline just doesn't make sense and further muddies the waters after Rebirth already kinda shrugged its way through continuity
Which, again, wasn't a big deal. DC is the one going HEY WE FIXED IT and then made it even more confusing
Which is fairly on brand for big continuity stuff for them, at this point
Vic Mackey does not make a good Deathstroke
This is such a weird idea.
Like you're not "correcting mistakes", you're just writing the thing that makes sense when you're writing and trusting readers to stay on top of things. They aren't anchored anywhere, because the story being told doesn't need to include a little itemized biography of the characters in it every time.
Like I forgot Ben Grimm or Reed Richards were supposed to be veterans because I can't remember that being something a writer has put at the forefront for like... decades.
Plus you could just go simpler and mention "the war" and readers will automatically add in whatever they feel is the appropriate answer to that label.
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Also, Ben and Reed are supposed to be WWII vets. Don't drag their names through the mud by involving them with your pseudo-'Nam, you arsehole!
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!
he has such a good voice
I wonder if he will start doing more stuff now that he is free of Supernatural
Or if he's gonna retire off that sweet sweet syndication money
I'd like to see him in the Arrowverse
but i'd like to see him do movies
it is exponentially worse than i had originally imagined
i am fascinated by how awful this is and actively irritated someone got paid to write it
It's definitely no Sinestro Corps War
Make "sure" to grab the Blackest Night Companion volume where EVERY SINGLE ISSUE is "Oh no my loved one is back from the dead! This is really upsetting! You're not them, truly! Or... are you? Welp, that'll have to be unresolved because defeating these things is entirely up to the core book so this whole tie in was meaningless." A good 19 issues or so of that, available in a hardback trade for your reading pleasure!
what compounds my distate for it, personally, is how much i hate all the other non-sinestro corps as an idea
but still it is incredibly poorly written. just shockingly bad dialogue.
The GL animated series did a good job with Red and Blue Lanterns
I liked everything in that clip... except for the fact that it was Deathstroke. The line reads were good, but none of that monologue is something Deathstroke (or the one in my head, anyway) would say/give a shit about.
Not just (color) lanterns
Slade varies from total scumbag to merc with some ethics depending on the writer
This seems to be a scene lifted from Christopher Priest's Deathstroke run. So... he would do and say that if written by Priest.
this is the funniest thing i've read all week
don't worry mark. america is going to keep doing wars, you're not going to run out of wars
like you don't need a fake vietnam that happened after 9/11. they did a real vietnam after 9/11, you can just use that
Yeah, but the soldiers of the Siancong War of ~2004 weren't, which is another reason this shit just doesn't work.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!
Like yeah, you're right, it doesn't make sense that Punisher was in Vietnam
But it also doesn't make sense that he was an angel that one time, or a Frankenstein, and yet somehow people manage to deal with that
This sort of argument gets bandied about a lot when this sort of things comes up. These seem like two kinds of very different versions of not making sense. Each piece of media sets up its own internal logic you need to buy-in for in order to enjoy it. I can buy in to Zombies and super science and magic. Heck it's not even hard. These are all classic ideas which Im very familiar with. That doesn't affect the fact that much comics is difficult for me to get past. Comic book hyper time doesn't make sense to me and actively pushes me away from some stories. Anything that reminds me that Kitty Pryde has aged a lot more than the original X-men irks me. Im fine with Magneto being very old and therefore being able to be connected to WW2 but when they try to act like he was alive during WW2 and also is young in present day that makes it harder for to take. We were all discussing how the DC timeline doesn't seem to make sense. It clearly matters to people.
That said this doesn't solve that problem for me either.
Should I start posting the Pepe Silvia pictures now?