Fascinating - I don't think I actually have the vocabulary to articulate how infuriating that "they weren't with us at Normandy" comment is. My thought process is basically extended keyboardmashing with some obscenities coming through the jabber.
I'm... almost impressed he can keep getting worse?
That said, I'm positive that a day or two after he hears that Democrats are pissed off at the Kurdish betrayal he's going to start going on about how they've been the enemy all along...
He probably got it ultimately from a garbage Townhall article.
Let’s have some real talk, because the Orange Man Bad side of the debate – the side that suddenly is all hopped up on war juice – offers nothing but hack clichés to support its amorphous position. The Kurds helped destroy ISIS, true. It’s also true that the Kurds would have fought ISIS anyway, since the psycho caliphate was right next door. Let’s be honest – the Kurds didn’t show up for us at Normandy or Inchon or Khe Sanh or Kandahar. The Syrian Kurds allied with us in their homeland because we shared a common interest in wiping out the head-lopping freak show that was ISIS. Moreover, all Kurds are not equal. The PKK – the Kurdistan Workers' Party – are a bunch of commie terrorists who have been fighting the Turks for a long time. Those reds are no friends of ours, and it’s their antics that seem to be inspiring the Turkish campaign. I have little use for the Turks, but they aren’t just picking this fight for Schiffs and giggles. The fact that it’s all so confusing is a really, really good reason for us to stay the hell out of it.
So why did turkey attack? How long has this conflict been going and how long have we been involved? I really don't know the details of this. I thought turkey was an ally, although with a murderous dictator.
So why did turkey attack? How long has this conflict been going and how long have we been involved? I really don't know the details of this. I thought turkey was an ally, although with a murderous dictator.
Turkey's an ally in the sense of being a NATO member officially on paper, but really that's about it these days.
So why did turkey attack? How long has this conflict been going and how long have we been involved? I really don't know the details of this. I thought turkey was an ally, although with a murderous dictator.
I'll let others provide the details, because I'm not well placed to comment.
I'll say this- military planning takes time. The fact that Erdogan had this shit ready to roll so quickly after Trump gave the greenlight should be a clue that he has been salivating over planning this for some time.
"Trump on the Kurds: "They didn't help us in the Second World War, they didn't help us with Normandy." He says they're only interested in fighting for "their land." He adds, "With all of that being said, we like the Kurds." "
- Daniel Dale is a CNN reporter, and a cataloger of all Trump's lies.
In addition to that horrendous fucking statement, in the twitter thread four posts up, and three posts down, we have the following.
Four up - "Trump is talking about the wife of the US diplomat who killed a UK teen in an auto accident and fled the UK, claiming immunity. He says it sometimes "happens" that Americans drive on the wrong side of the road there. "It was an ACCIDENT. It was a terrible accident," he says."
Three down - "Trump says he goes to Dover Air Force base to greet slain soldiers "when I can." Telling a detailed story, he says that families smile when they see him and thank him for coming, and he thought they were taking the death "so well," but then the coffin comes and they "scream.""
The man is at best a fucking sociopath, and at worst, completely fucking bugnuts.
That Republicans still defend this shit, is and will remain, reprehensible. And hopefully will not be forgotten.
I generally like the Kurds. I generally dislike the Turks. But they’ve been killing each other for a long time and no one has yet offered a sufficient reason why America should stick its troops in the crossfire between them. We hear words like “betrayal” tossed around, often by people whose track record re: honor is (charitably) lacking, but that assumes America had a say in this latest round ramping up. If the Turks are intent on invading, a firm “No” from the Oval office is not going to stop a battalion of Leopard tanks. If you want to stop them, you have to be prepared to stop them. That means war, and the president – along with millions of us – say “No thanks.”
I generally like the Kurds. I generally dislike the Turks. But they’ve been killing each other for a long time and no one has yet offered a sufficient reason why America should stick its troops in the crossfire between them. We hear words like “betrayal” tossed around, often by people whose track record re: honor is (charitably) lacking, but that assumes America had a say in this latest round ramping up. If the Turks are intent on invading, a firm “No” from the Oval office is not going to stop a battalion of Leopard tanks. If you want to stop them, you have to be prepared to stop them. That means war, and the president – along with millions of us – say “No thanks.”
...to stop the fire using our influence?
Or if you want to have a more pragmatic approach to this:
The US has had to (yws yes phrasing) go into this region 3 times in the past 3 decades, so wouldn't it make sense to have the support of a well trained egalitarian militia who's membership scares the bejezus out of ISIS troops ready to back you up on the off chance you need to sort stuff out?
"Trump on the Kurds: "They didn't help us in the Second World War, they didn't help us with Normandy." He says they're only interested in fighting for "their land." He adds, "With all of that being said, we like the Kurds." "
- Daniel Dale is a CNN reporter, and a cataloger of all Trump's lies.
In addition to that horrendous fucking statement, in the twitter thread four posts up, and three posts down, we have the following.
Four up - "Trump is talking about the wife of the US diplomat who killed a UK teen in an auto accident and fled the UK, claiming immunity. He says it sometimes "happens" that Americans drive on the wrong side of the road there. "It was an ACCIDENT. It was a terrible accident," he says."
Three down - "Trump says he goes to Dover Air Force base to greet slain soldiers "when I can." Telling a detailed story, he says that families smile when they see him and thank him for coming, and he thought they were taking the death "so well," but then the coffin comes and they "scream.""
The man is at best a fucking sociopath, and at worst, completely fucking bugnuts.
That Republicans still defend this shit, is and will remain, reprehensible. And hopefully will not be forgotten.
Graham and Van Hollen have a sanctions bill on Turkey ready to go already. I'd anticipate that sails through Congress because this is an area where the GOP feels free to go against Trump.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
After invading, Turkey isn't going to get that donated resettlement money from anyone now, correct? Will Turkey later send the Syrian refugees back over the border anyways?
Graham and Van Hollen have a sanctions bill on Turkey ready to go already. I'd anticipate that sails through Congress because this is an area where the GOP feels free to go against Trump.
But will it get through with a veto proof majority? I don't think so.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It might. The Republicans obviously never trusted Trump with foreign policy, which is why they had Kelly and Mattis in there to keep a leash on him. Trump has shaken off the leash in the executive and now Congressional Republicans have to rebuke him explicitly.
Of course it begs the question of why the Congressional Republicans back a president they don't trust, the answer being that they're greedy cowards.
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"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Fending off a cynicism attack, but that might play well to a lot of the people who are on the fringe of noticing that many Republicans have been complicit in all this bullshit.
Having a case to point out that they've legit stood up to him risks the usual Trumpertantrum and rallying of his base against them, but with the crazy numbers coming from the recent Fox polls, a lot of people are really tired of the bullshit.
Even if they kiss the ring later, they'll hold up That One Time I Totally Stood Up To The President (Sir) as a shield against all critique that they are, in fact, little toadies.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Graham and Van Hollen have a sanctions bill on Turkey ready to go already. I'd anticipate that sails through Congress because this is an area where the GOP feels free to go against Trump.
But will it get through with a veto proof majority? I don't think so.
In the current environment I'm oddly comfortable with Trump's petulant tantrums annoying the Senate.
It might. The Republicans obviously never trusted Trump with foreign policy, which is why they had Kelly and Mattis in there to keep a leash on him. Trump has shaken off the leash in the executive and now Congressional Republicans have to rebuke him explicitly.
Of course it begs the question of why the Congressional Republicans back a president they don't trust, the answer being that they're greedy cowards.
Judges, tax cuts, and deregulation are worth it to them.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
It might. The Republicans obviously never trusted Trump with foreign policy, which is why they had Kelly and Mattis in there to keep a leash on him. Trump has shaken off the leash in the executive and now Congressional Republicans have to rebuke him explicitly.
Of course it begs the question of why the Congressional Republicans back a president they don't trust, the answer being that they're greedy cowards.
Judges, tax cuts, and deregulation are worth it to them.
Yes thats where the greedy part comes in.
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Trump himself signaled he would "destroy turkey's economy", signing the sanctions bill would be an easy way to save face and displace the blame for his terrible decisions.
Unless of course he has other corrupt deals or foreign blackmail pushing him to actually support Turkey.
Trump himself signaled he would "destroy turkey's economy", signing the sanctions bill would be an easy way to save face and displace the blame for his terrible decisions.
Unless of course he has other corrupt deals or foreign blackmail pushing him to actually support Turkey.
His first national security advisor was literally a Turkish agent.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
This crisis is probably going down in history next to the invasion of Kuwait as "shitty diplomacy fucked everything up worse than it already was" huh.
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He probably got it ultimately from a garbage Townhall article.
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/10/08/critics-aghast-as-trump-keeps-word-about-no-more-wars-n2554328
Here is another Trump comment:
CNN reporter:
especially when you're as great at making deals as Trump!
the person running that twitter account seems like a real classy person /sarcasm
So is shattering them!
Turkey's an ally in the sense of being a NATO member officially on paper, but really that's about it these days.
Just literally printing propaganda.
I'll let others provide the details, because I'm not well placed to comment.
I'll say this- military planning takes time. The fact that Erdogan had this shit ready to roll so quickly after Trump gave the greenlight should be a clue that he has been salivating over planning this for some time.
Goddamn I’m glad I cancelled that subscription.
Jesus Christ he is sundowning hard
Turkey sure as fuck wasn’t there on the beaches of Normandy either.
Replace "at Normandy" with "paying me bribes." Then everything becomes clear.
someone's got allies confused with Allies.
(just kidding, that's giving him far too much credit).
No wonder he hates the leadership of Germany so much
Wait, it gets better worse!
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Or if you want to have a more pragmatic approach to this:
The US has had to (yws yes phrasing) go into this region 3 times in the past 3 decades, so wouldn't it make sense to have the support of a well trained egalitarian militia who's membership scares the bejezus out of ISIS troops ready to back you up on the off chance you need to sort stuff out?
or that this will, in fact, be the direct cause of it?
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Or that blowback from Kurds sick of their grandfathers and fathers being betrayed by the Americans will happen.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey/turkey-plans-27-billion-housing-project-in-northeast-syria-broadcaster-trt-idUSKBN1WC1V2
But will it get through with a veto proof majority? I don't think so.
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Of course it begs the question of why the Congressional Republicans back a president they don't trust, the answer being that they're greedy cowards.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Having a case to point out that they've legit stood up to him risks the usual Trumpertantrum and rallying of his base against them, but with the crazy numbers coming from the recent Fox polls, a lot of people are really tired of the bullshit.
Even if they kiss the ring later, they'll hold up That One Time I Totally Stood Up To The President (Sir) as a shield against all critique that they are, in fact, little toadies.
In the current environment I'm oddly comfortable with Trump's petulant tantrums annoying the Senate.
(Assuming McConnell permits the vote, of course.)
Judges, tax cuts, and deregulation are worth it to them.
Yes thats where the greedy part comes in.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Unless of course he has other corrupt deals or foreign blackmail pushing him to actually support Turkey.
His first national security advisor was literally a Turkish agent.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
I bet the Kurds wish they had as good astroturfing operations as Kuwait.
It's more like one of the various partitions of Poland than anything else.
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Why? They were at Normandy. /technicality