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The [Impeachment] of the 45th President of the United States

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    I am very interested to see what other politically damaging transcripts are improperly stored on that server.

    at this point?

    probably none if they're smart

    Destroying evidence is a crime

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    AbsalonAbsalon Lands of Always WinterRegistered User regular

    This is what we like to call "mens rea"*

    *Translator's note: "Mens rea" means "guilty mind"

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    VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    I am very interested to see what other politically damaging transcripts are improperly stored on that server.

    More likely the proper phrase is "Used to be stored" because that server is no longer there.

    At least, that's what I would expect from competent people. From the Trump admin though, I'm expecting to learn they poured bleach all over the computer monitor and figured the job was done.

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Yeah, it's early still, but the feeling I'm getting is that GOP congress is starting to question if the Trump bump is worth going to jail over, and finding him wanting.

    It’s not going to come from the top, but I imagine as more information becomes available you’ll see some GOP break rank.

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.

    an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!

    I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.

    without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month

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    SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    It was interesting to read that he made the call from the Situation Room and not the Oval Office - especially considering the Whistleblower notes SOP is for production of recordings of all calls in the Situation Room, and which are floating around now, on a codeworded foreign Intel server

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    AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »

    This is what we like to call "mens rea"*

    *Translator's note: "Mens rea" means "guilty mind"

    So there is an official transcript of the call!

    We'll see how long this blog lasts
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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Pence being implicated in this is just so good

    “Watergate was good, but what can we do to up the ante in the sequel?”

    “What if Ford was the one who broke into the hotel?”

    “Brilliant! Get casting on the line! We need Matthew Lillard stat!”

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    I am very interested to see what other politically damaging transcripts are improperly stored on that server.

    at this point?

    probably none if they're smart

    Destroying evidence is a crime

    yeah, but is it as big a crime as what they'd be saving themselves from? I bet not.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    The unclassified appendix this that report is claiming they stashed the call records on a system reserved for code-word level intelligence

    wow

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    DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Uh, based on what's in this complaint, is someone whose I believe only current actual role is "personal lawyer"(and I guess ostensibly "cybersecurity advisor") supposed to be this directly involved with foreign affairs or national security, because I kind of feel like he shouldn't be

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Wasn't Guliani's first role with this administration some kind of cyber security czar?

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    wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
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    MonwynMonwyn Apathy's a tragedy, and boredom is a crime. A little bit of everything, all of the time.Registered User regular
    Swing voters are mostly a myth

    You have Republican voters, Democratic voters and non-voters

    This is unhelpful bullshit thinking so prevalent here and I wish it would stop.

    Obama-Trump voters were like 10% of each president's winning vote tally. They absolutely matter. I don't know if you can peel them off Trump right now but he wouldn't be president if they had voted Dem again.

    The Obama/Trump swing is a massive outlier that probably had more to do with Hillary being a historically poor candidate than anything else.

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.

    an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!

    I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.

    without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month

    Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular

    *grabs popcorn*

    Can’t wait to see some stonewalling when Dems are at the end of their patience and on the warpath

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.

    an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!

    I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.

    without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month

    Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.

    but they don't even know who that is!

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular

    The whistleblower's account in the report is corroborated by the memo summary of the call. That means his sources were accurate on the meat of the issue.

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.

    an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!

    I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.

    without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month

    Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.

    but they don't even know who that is!

    I'm not sure why you're being so chicken little over this, but it was someone who had high enough clearance to have access to these calls and knew where they were being stored, and found it so egregious and harmful to the country that they were willing to burn themselves and destroy their career

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.

    an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!

    I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.

    without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month

    Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.

    but they don't even know who that is!

    The whistleblower’s counsel has already been in contact with congress. It’s almost a certainty they know more than we do.

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    fingers crossed for sure

    guess I'm just beat down after 2.5 years (decades?) of this

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.

    an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!

    I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.

    without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month

    Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.

    but they don't even know who that is!

    Good!

    Because if who it was is out there, that persons life would be made a living hell.

    The whole point of whistleblower protections is to trust and investigate the source while protecting the whistleblower from retaliation.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.

    an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!

    I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.

    without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month

    Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.

    but they don't even know who that is!

    The whistleblower’s counsel has already been in contact with congress. It’s almost a certainty they know more than we do.

    The majority of what we know we only know because of congressional releases at this point.

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.

    an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!

    I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.

    without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month

    Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.

    but they don't even know who that is!

    The whistleblower’s counsel has already been in contact with congress. It’s almost a certainty they know more than we do.

    And said counsel passed on that their client would be more than happy to appear before at least House Intel committee. It seems more a question of when we'll know who it is, not if.

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    Schiff's opening statements here are very on point. Puffing up the quality of Maguire and his history, next to his dropping of his responsibility over this complaint.

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    nunes saying that the "transcript" has already been debunked .... the one released by the white house ....

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Nunes is talking now

    It’s about as hacky as you can imagine

    He starts with “I’d like to congratulate the Democrats on the rollout of their latest information war against the president”

    Fuck off dude

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    wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Enc wrote: »
    Schiff's opening statements here are very on point. Puffing up the quality of Maguire and his history, next to his dropping of his responsibility over this complaint.

    And then Nunes within 5 words proves his hackery. Democrats’ information warfare, my ass.

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    I just tubed in and it took me a minute to realize this be was from a Republican.

    Hearing it is nunes is telling.

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    H0b0manH0b0man Registered User regular
    Reading this report, especially the footnotes, and it's crazy how Giuliani has been on TV for months straight up telling everybody what was going on and nobody put the dots together until this.

    Like I have no idea how the White House thinks they are going to spin this. The President's lawyer has been corroborating the entire thing over the past year. He really is the worst lawyer.

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    wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    Muting Nunes. Guys, it was the Democrats colluding with Russians!!! Like stay on topic. Where are the mods when you need them.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    What I’m getting from Nunes is that he was in on all of this and is terrified that it’s all public now

    “Whistleblower hearings should be private!”

    If it was up to you the complaint would never have been heard at all, so you can get fucked by a zillion broomsticks!

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    According to Nunes, it was actually the Democrats who went to Ukraine and colluded with them! DEFLECT SHIELDS TO FULL ALL POWER TO THE DEFLECTOR SHIELDS

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Muting Nunes. Guys, it was the Democrats colluding with Russians!!! Like stay on topic. Where are the mods when you need them.

    If congress had this forum’s moderating staff Nunes would have been permabanned like, 3 years ago

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.

    an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!

    I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.

    without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month

    The problem highlighted by the whistleblower report is continuous abuse of the power of his office to extort a foreign power to influence our domestic elections. Not (intentionally) misfiling transcripts.

    And fucking with elections are kind of a big deal since it eliminates the 'just vote him out' valve. That's partly why Republicans keep trying to do it.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.

    an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!

    I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.

    without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month

    The problem highlighted by the whistleblower report is continuous abuse of the power of his office to extort a foreign power to influence our domestic elections. Not (intentionally) misfiling transcripts.

    And fucking with elections are kind of a big deal since it eliminates the 'just vote him out' valve. That's partly why Republicans keep trying to do it.

    Yeah

    Watergate wasn’t a huge deal just because some guys broke into a hotel somewhere

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    TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane The Djinnerator At the bottom of a bottleRegistered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.

    an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!

    I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.

    without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month

    The problem highlighted by the whistleblower report is continuous abuse of the power of his office to extort a foreign power to influence our domestic elections. Not (intentionally) misfiling transcripts.

    And fucking with elections are kind of a big deal since it eliminates the 'just vote him out' valve. That's partly why Republicans keep trying to do it.

    Yeah

    Watergate wasn’t a huge deal just because some guys broke into a hotel somewhere

    So once again, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up?

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    While it is nice to get some pretty compelling evidence of wrongdoing... I also just have a sick feeling in my stomach over all this

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    AbsalonAbsalon Lands of Always WinterRegistered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Okay Maguire, Acting Dir. of DNI sounds like he is transcribing his autobiography. I guess he wants to establish his integrity before making any important statements but ooh boy this is tiresome.

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.

    an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!

    I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.

    without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month

    The problem highlighted by the whistleblower report is continuous abuse of the power of his office to extort a foreign power to influence our domestic elections. Not (intentionally) misfiling transcripts.

    And fucking with elections are kind of a big deal since it eliminates the 'just vote him out' valve. That's partly why Republicans keep trying to do it.

    Which goes back to the Ben Franklin quote Pelosi used on Tuesday: "It's a Republic, if you can keep it."

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