I am very interested to see what other politically damaging transcripts are improperly stored on that server.
More likely the proper phrase is "Used to be stored" because that server is no longer there.
At least, that's what I would expect from competent people. From the Trump admin though, I'm expecting to learn they poured bleach all over the computer monitor and figured the job was done.
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Yeah, it's early still, but the feeling I'm getting is that GOP congress is starting to question if the Trump bump is worth going to jail over, and finding him wanting.
It’s not going to come from the top, but I imagine as more information becomes available you’ll see some GOP break rank.
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
SummaryJudgmentGrab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front doorRegistered Userregular
edited September 2019
It was interesting to read that he made the call from the Situation Room and not the Oval Office - especially considering the Whistleblower notes SOP is for production of recordings of all calls in the Situation Room, and which are floating around now, on a codeworded foreign Intel server
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
Uh, based on what's in this complaint, is someone whose I believe only current actual role is "personal lawyer"(and I guess ostensibly "cybersecurity advisor") supposed to be this directly involved with foreign affairs or national security, because I kind of feel like he shouldn't be
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AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
Wasn't Guliani's first role with this administration some kind of cyber security czar?
You have Republican voters, Democratic voters and non-voters
This is unhelpful bullshit thinking so prevalent here and I wish it would stop.
Obama-Trump voters were like 10% of each president's winning vote tally. They absolutely matter. I don't know if you can peel them off Trump right now but he wouldn't be president if they had voted Dem again.
The Obama/Trump swing is a massive outlier that probably had more to do with Hillary being a historically poor candidate than anything else.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.
The whistleblower's account in the report is corroborated by the memo summary of the call. That means his sources were accurate on the meat of the issue.
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.
but they don't even know who that is!
I'm not sure why you're being so chicken little over this, but it was someone who had high enough clearance to have access to these calls and knew where they were being stored, and found it so egregious and harmful to the country that they were willing to burn themselves and destroy their career
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.
but they don't even know who that is!
The whistleblower’s counsel has already been in contact with congress. It’s almost a certainty they know more than we do.
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.
but they don't even know who that is!
Good!
Because if who it was is out there, that persons life would be made a living hell.
The whole point of whistleblower protections is to trust and investigate the source while protecting the whistleblower from retaliation.
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.
but they don't even know who that is!
The whistleblower’s counsel has already been in contact with congress. It’s almost a certainty they know more than we do.
The majority of what we know we only know because of congressional releases at this point.
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am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.
but they don't even know who that is!
The whistleblower’s counsel has already been in contact with congress. It’s almost a certainty they know more than we do.
And said counsel passed on that their client would be more than happy to appear before at least House Intel committee. It seems more a question of when we'll know who it is, not if.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
Schiff's opening statements here are very on point. Puffing up the quality of Maguire and his history, next to his dropping of his responsibility over this complaint.
Schiff's opening statements here are very on point. Puffing up the quality of Maguire and his history, next to his dropping of his responsibility over this complaint.
And then Nunes within 5 words proves his hackery. Democrats’ information warfare, my ass.
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AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
I just tubed in and it took me a minute to realize this be was from a Republican.
Reading this report, especially the footnotes, and it's crazy how Giuliani has been on TV for months straight up telling everybody what was going on and nobody put the dots together until this.
Like I have no idea how the White House thinks they are going to spin this. The President's lawyer has been corroborating the entire thing over the past year. He really is the worst lawyer.
According to Nunes, it was actually the Democrats who went to Ukraine and colluded with them! DEFLECT SHIELDS TO FULL ALL POWER TO THE DEFLECTOR SHIELDS
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
The problem highlighted by the whistleblower report is continuous abuse of the power of his office to extort a foreign power to influence our domestic elections. Not (intentionally) misfiling transcripts.
And fucking with elections are kind of a big deal since it eliminates the 'just vote him out' valve. That's partly why Republicans keep trying to do it.
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am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
The problem highlighted by the whistleblower report is continuous abuse of the power of his office to extort a foreign power to influence our domestic elections. Not (intentionally) misfiling transcripts.
And fucking with elections are kind of a big deal since it eliminates the 'just vote him out' valve. That's partly why Republicans keep trying to do it.
Yeah
Watergate wasn’t a huge deal just because some guys broke into a hotel somewhere
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TetraNitroCubaneThe DjinneratorAt the bottom of a bottleRegistered Userregular
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
The problem highlighted by the whistleblower report is continuous abuse of the power of his office to extort a foreign power to influence our domestic elections. Not (intentionally) misfiling transcripts.
And fucking with elections are kind of a big deal since it eliminates the 'just vote him out' valve. That's partly why Republicans keep trying to do it.
Yeah
Watergate wasn’t a huge deal just because some guys broke into a hotel somewhere
So once again, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up?
While it is nice to get some pretty compelling evidence of wrongdoing... I also just have a sick feeling in my stomach over all this
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AbsalonLands of Always WinterRegistered Userregular
edited September 2019
Okay Maguire, Acting Dir. of DNI sounds like he is transcribing his autobiography. I guess he wants to establish his integrity before making any important statements but ooh boy this is tiresome.
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am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
The problem highlighted by the whistleblower report is continuous abuse of the power of his office to extort a foreign power to influence our domestic elections. Not (intentionally) misfiling transcripts.
And fucking with elections are kind of a big deal since it eliminates the 'just vote him out' valve. That's partly why Republicans keep trying to do it.
Which goes back to the Ben Franklin quote Pelosi used on Tuesday: "It's a Republic, if you can keep it."
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Destroying evidence is a crime
This is what we like to call "mens rea"*
*Translator's note: "Mens rea" means "guilty mind"
More likely the proper phrase is "Used to be stored" because that server is no longer there.
At least, that's what I would expect from competent people. From the Trump admin though, I'm expecting to learn they poured bleach all over the computer monitor and figured the job was done.
It’s not going to come from the top, but I imagine as more information becomes available you’ll see some GOP break rank.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
So there is an official transcript of the call!
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“Watergate was good, but what can we do to up the ante in the sequel?”
“What if Ford was the one who broke into the hotel?”
“Brilliant! Get casting on the line! We need Matthew Lillard stat!”
yeah, but is it as big a crime as what they'd be saving themselves from? I bet not.
wow
https://www.c-span.org/video/?464509-1/acting-director-national-intelligence-maguire-testifies-whistleblower-complaint
The Obama/Trump swing is a massive outlier that probably had more to do with Hillary being a historically poor candidate than anything else.
Suffice to say that whoever is raising the issue has enough clout for this to be considered significant.
*grabs popcorn*
Can’t wait to see some stonewalling when Dems are at the end of their patience and on the warpath
but they don't even know who that is!
The whistleblower's account in the report is corroborated by the memo summary of the call. That means his sources were accurate on the meat of the issue.
I'm not sure why you're being so chicken little over this, but it was someone who had high enough clearance to have access to these calls and knew where they were being stored, and found it so egregious and harmful to the country that they were willing to burn themselves and destroy their career
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The whistleblower’s counsel has already been in contact with congress. It’s almost a certainty they know more than we do.
guess I'm just beat down after 2.5 years (decades?) of this
Good!
Because if who it was is out there, that persons life would be made a living hell.
The whole point of whistleblower protections is to trust and investigate the source while protecting the whistleblower from retaliation.
The majority of what we know we only know because of congressional releases at this point.
And said counsel passed on that their client would be more than happy to appear before at least House Intel committee. It seems more a question of when we'll know who it is, not if.
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It’s about as hacky as you can imagine
He starts with “I’d like to congratulate the Democrats on the rollout of their latest information war against the president”
Fuck off dude
And then Nunes within 5 words proves his hackery. Democrats’ information warfare, my ass.
Hearing it is nunes is telling.
Like I have no idea how the White House thinks they are going to spin this. The President's lawyer has been corroborating the entire thing over the past year. He really is the worst lawyer.
“Whistleblower hearings should be private!”
If it was up to you the complaint would never have been heard at all, so you can get fucked by a zillion broomsticks!
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If congress had this forum’s moderating staff Nunes would have been permabanned like, 3 years ago
The problem highlighted by the whistleblower report is continuous abuse of the power of his office to extort a foreign power to influence our domestic elections. Not (intentionally) misfiling transcripts.
And fucking with elections are kind of a big deal since it eliminates the 'just vote him out' valve. That's partly why Republicans keep trying to do it.
Yeah
Watergate wasn’t a huge deal just because some guys broke into a hotel somewhere
So once again, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up?
Which goes back to the Ben Franklin quote Pelosi used on Tuesday: "It's a Republic, if you can keep it."
~ Buckaroo Banzai