According to Nunes, it was actually the Democrats who went to Ukraine and colluded with them! DEFLECT SHIELDS TO FULL ALL POWER TO THE DEFLECTOR SHIELDS
This is an actual thing in the far-right "news" space, by the way. Nunes (and Trump) wallow in this stuff and eat it all up. Trump even references it directly in the White House readout of the Ukraine call.
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
The reason this is causing the impeachment to start and not the concentration camps is because the camps are legal, or at least have a legal basis. Going after Trump over them would be a pure political attack. Impeachment because of Ukraine is based on an actual law being broken and makes it harder for someone not already invested in Trump's politics to blow it off as a political attack.
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
The problem highlighted by the whistleblower report is continuous abuse of the power of his office to extort a foreign power to influence our domestic elections. Not (intentionally) misfiling transcripts.
And fucking with elections are kind of a big deal since it eliminates the 'just vote him out' valve. That's partly why Republicans keep trying to do it.
Yeah
Watergate wasn’t a huge deal just because some guys broke into a hotel somewhere
So once again, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up?
No, in both cases it was the crime. Don't break the law to try and get a leg up in your election.
So read the whistle blower complaint. Its pretty thorough and I figured the IG before passing it along interviewed folks mentioned in the complaint as well as the whistle blower who confirmed it.
Its damning. I am not sure general public damning without explanation but it is very much a road map of actions taken by the White House and the presidents personal lawyer to force a foreign government to investigate/provide information on a political rival in trade for a positive relationship and the cover up of such an action/communication by internal White House staff so that is never actually found out by the intel community or the press or Congress.
And then points to a pattern of such actions over time making it not a single one off event.
Okay Maguire, Acting Dir. of DNI sounds like he is transcribing his autobiography. I guess he wants to establish his integrity before making any important statements but ooh boy this is tiresome.
Yeah I can't wait to see how he breaks the law after all this self-flagellation about his own record.
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
The reason this is causing the impeachment to start and not the concentration camps is because the camps are legal, or at least have a legal basis. Going after Trump over them would be a pure political attack. Impeachment because of Ukraine is based on an actual law being broken and makes it harder for someone not already invested in Trump's politics to blow it off as a political attack.
Yeah. Legally the President (and executive branch in general) has pretty broad powers in foreign policy and anything around the borders. The Ukraine stuff registers because it is the President using these broad powers for direct domestic political gain, which breaks several laws.
There is no "human rights" clause in the Constitution, and while technically impeachment is a political process that means whatever Congress wants, it is generally accepted via the times it has been used that the subject has to have broken a law (or several).
I think I just saw the DNI throw the White House under the bus saying they claimed executive privilege on a a whistle blower report. And that it was the White House counsel not the DoJ that did and he was unable to override that.
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am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
The problem highlighted by the whistleblower report is continuous abuse of the power of his office to extort a foreign power to influence our domestic elections. Not (intentionally) misfiling transcripts.
And fucking with elections are kind of a big deal since it eliminates the 'just vote him out' valve. That's partly why Republicans keep trying to do it.
Yeah
Watergate wasn’t a huge deal just because some guys broke into a hotel somewhere
So once again, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up?
But also it’s the context of the crime
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I think I just saw the DNI throw the White House under the bus saying they claimed executive privilege on a a whistle blower report. And that it was the White House counsel not the DoJ that did and he was unable to override that.
The executive branch is looking like it'll be 60-70% speed bumps by volume if this keeps up.
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am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
The reason this is causing the impeachment to start and not the concentration camps is because the camps are legal, or at least have a legal basis. Going after Trump over them would be a pure political attack. Impeachment because of Ukraine is based on an actual law being broken and makes it harder for someone not already invested in Trump's politics to blow it off as a political attack.
Yeah. Legally the President (and executive branch in general) has pretty broad powers in foreign policy and anything around the borders. The Ukraine stuff registers because it is the President using these broad powers for direct domestic political gain, which breaks several laws.
There is no "human rights" clause in the Constitution, and while technically impeachment is a political process that means whatever Congress wants, it is generally accepted via the times it has been used that the subject has to have broken a law (or several).
Like half of the amendments cover basic human rights and say the government can't infringe them. The 10th says "no, not being listed here is not an excuse". Multiple international treaties (including, iirc, the UN definition of genocide, just without the Hague part), etc.
There are absolutely laws the camps trample all over and everyone involved should be hauled before the courts for.
The problem is that a significant portion of the country is cheering for racism, not that there isn't anything prohibiting this shit.
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That was quite an opening statement. The complaint couldn't be classified as urgent because the president isn't part of the intelligence community, which is wild of a loophole.
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
The reason this is causing the impeachment to start and not the concentration camps is because the camps are legal, or at least have a legal basis. Going after Trump over them would be a pure political attack. Impeachment because of Ukraine is based on an actual law being broken and makes it harder for someone not already invested in Trump's politics to blow it off as a political attack.
Yeah. Legally the President (and executive branch in general) has pretty broad powers in foreign policy and anything around the borders. The Ukraine stuff registers because it is the President using these broad powers for direct domestic political gain, which breaks several laws.
There is no "human rights" clause in the Constitution, and while technically impeachment is a political process that means whatever Congress wants, it is generally accepted via the times it has been used that the subject has to have broken a law (or several).
Like half of the amendments cover basic human rights and say the government can't infringe them. The 10th says "no, not being listed here is not an excuse". Multiple international treaties (including, iirc, the UN definition of genocide, just without the Hague part), etc.
There are absolutely laws the camps trample all over and everyone involved should be hauled before the courts for.
The problem is that a significant portion of the country is cheering for racism, not that there isn't anything prohibiting this shit.
I am fairly confident in saying that a US President will never, ever be impeached for UN treaty violations.
Shorter Adam Schiff: "You went to the people implicated in the memo to ask what to do about it?"
Shorter Joseph Maguire: "Uh uh um well um could you repeat that uh um well i went first to the um well"
The only reason I can think of for Republicans moving this through is because they are sick of this shit and are preparing to shove Trump down the memory hole
Even if Trump is impeached and is removed from office or kicked out in 2020, I don't think he'll go away for quite a few years. He's built a giant cult of personality out of the Republican party and is going to be a thorn in their paw for a long time. In fact I bet he'll run for election again.
am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here.
an anonymous whistleblower with second hand information about possible information stored on a different (but still classified and government owned) server is what the dems are finally acting on?!
I get the ukraine extortion should be impeachable and I'm glad they are, but the above isn't nearly as damaging as the concentration camps on our southern border, or a slew of other things.
without a bunch of whistleblowers with access or firsthand knowledge to and/or of that server, I don't see how this isn't ignored until it goes away in a month
The reason this is causing the impeachment to start and not the concentration camps is because the camps are legal, or at least have a legal basis. Going after Trump over them would be a pure political attack. Impeachment because of Ukraine is based on an actual law being broken and makes it harder for someone not already invested in Trump's politics to blow it off as a political attack.
Yeah. Legally the President (and executive branch in general) has pretty broad powers in foreign policy and anything around the borders. The Ukraine stuff registers because it is the President using these broad powers for direct domestic political gain, which breaks several laws.
There is no "human rights" clause in the Constitution, and while technically impeachment is a political process that means whatever Congress wants, it is generally accepted via the times it has been used that the subject has to have broken a law (or several).
Like half of the amendments cover basic human rights and say the government can't infringe them. The 10th says "no, not being listed here is not an excuse". Multiple international treaties (including, iirc, the UN definition of genocide, just without the Hague part), etc.
There are absolutely laws the camps trample all over and everyone involved should be hauled before the courts for.
The problem is that a significant portion of the country is cheering for racism, not that there isn't anything prohibiting this shit.
I am fairly confident in saying that a US President will never, ever be impeached for UN treaty violations.
No, they would be impeached for violating implementing statutes. But yes, I know there's that awful American supremacy streak in the country's history. That's more a rant about about how things should be than how they are. In a better world and all that.
For now I'll have to make do with schadenfreude at this blowing up in his face.
Schiff: “When the president called the whistleblower a political hack why did you remain silent?”
Maguire: “I didn’t! I sent an internal memo to the workforce!”
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I think he's trying to defend himself from not turning it in earlier, which is Schiff's main point. It's just a big round about. Because Maguire has never seen a complaint like this, he worked with what he had and tried to make everyone happy, but honestly because of the conflict of interest, Maquire should have given the complaint to Congress.
The only reason I can think of for Republicans moving this through is because they are sick of this shit and are preparing to shove Trump down the memory hole
Even if Trump is impeached and is removed from office or kicked out in 2020, I don't think he'll go away for quite a few years. He's built a giant cult of personality out of the Republican party and is going to be a thorn in their paw for a long time. In fact I bet he'll run for election again.
The way things are shaking out I think he'd have real problems doing that from Russia, or possibly a jail cell if he isn't smart enough to board the first plane out of the country the instant he is no longer President.
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This is an actual thing in the far-right "news" space, by the way. Nunes (and Trump) wallow in this stuff and eat it all up. Trump even references it directly in the White House readout of the Ukraine call.
The reason this is causing the impeachment to start and not the concentration camps is because the camps are legal, or at least have a legal basis. Going after Trump over them would be a pure political attack. Impeachment because of Ukraine is based on an actual law being broken and makes it harder for someone not already invested in Trump's politics to blow it off as a political attack.
No, in both cases it was the crime. Don't break the law to try and get a leg up in your election.
Its damning. I am not sure general public damning without explanation but it is very much a road map of actions taken by the White House and the presidents personal lawyer to force a foreign government to investigate/provide information on a political rival in trade for a positive relationship and the cover up of such an action/communication by internal White House staff so that is never actually found out by the intel community or the press or Congress.
And then points to a pattern of such actions over time making it not a single one off event.
Rigging elections through the assistance of foreign governments is pretty fucking cataclysmic
Yeah I can't wait to see how he breaks the law after all this self-flagellation about his own record.
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Yeah. Legally the President (and executive branch in general) has pretty broad powers in foreign policy and anything around the borders. The Ukraine stuff registers because it is the President using these broad powers for direct domestic political gain, which breaks several laws.
There is no "human rights" clause in the Constitution, and while technically impeachment is a political process that means whatever Congress wants, it is generally accepted via the times it has been used that the subject has to have broken a law (or several).
But also it’s the context of the crime
The executive branch is looking like it'll be 60-70% speed bumps by volume if this keeps up.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
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Like half of the amendments cover basic human rights and say the government can't infringe them. The 10th says "no, not being listed here is not an excuse". Multiple international treaties (including, iirc, the UN definition of genocide, just without the Hague part), etc.
There are absolutely laws the camps trample all over and everyone involved should be hauled before the courts for.
The problem is that a significant portion of the country is cheering for racism, not that there isn't anything prohibiting this shit.
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Fuck your “impartiality” dude
He's only the Director of National Intelligence! Who is he to say what constitutes a breach in our intelligence!
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The executive privilege argument is going to kill them I think.
Post-truth reality can eat feces
The first place he goes is to the White House, the people being complained about, to see if he should report the whistleblower complaint?!
I am fairly confident in saying that a US President will never, ever be impeached for UN treaty violations.
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Good time to switch to Borderlands
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Even if Trump is impeached and is removed from office or kicked out in 2020, I don't think he'll go away for quite a few years. He's built a giant cult of personality out of the Republican party and is going to be a thorn in their paw for a long time. In fact I bet he'll run for election again.
It’s fucking bullshit and he knows it
No, they would be impeached for violating implementing statutes. But yes, I know there's that awful American supremacy streak in the country's history. That's more a rant about about how things should be than how they are. In a better world and all that.
For now I'll have to make do with schadenfreude at this blowing up in his face.
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He would prefer to keep his job
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The way things are shaking out I think he'd have real problems doing that from Russia, or possibly a jail cell if he isn't smart enough to board the first plane out of the country the instant he is no longer President.