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So then on the other side, did it read to you that Vinz and Zuul had sex?
edit: honest question by the way; not challenging your interpretation at all
you should see Ghostbusters
it's a very good 80s movie
i still think the 2017 movie is the best
I've been interacting with the deep parts of the fandom in and out for most of the last 2 decades and while I've witnessed and held discussions about why Peter had the Thorazine and what was intended there, I've never once heard even the scuzziest of fans think he had his way with Dana/Zuul off camera. That jives a little too much with the tone, even if the writers wouldn't necessarily have been against that sort of thing on moral/ethical grounds in other movies. After-all, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg happily collaborated that the backstory for Raiders of the Lost Arc to include that Indiana Jones statutory raped a 15-year-old (Lucas wanted her to have been 11 originally) for a year with next to zero negative connotations and absolutely zero condemnation. Filmmakers of the 80s are always going to be worse people than I'd like to give them credit for.
Back to Venkman, though. The guy is clearly scared of the Zuul persona. The minute he smells something is off he's basically ignoring all of Zuul's come-ons to look around the scene, then he repeatedly tries to talk to Dana to see if she's okay (even though Zuul clearly will fuck him if he consents). He only gets more nervous the longer that plays out. He briefly jokes about getting involved with Zuul ("It's more of a guideline than a rule") but it is easy to read as that being humor in the face of fear and he shakes it off immediately after delivering the line.
When we next see him he's disheveled but seemingly full of relief and recovering and a little bit proud of himself for outsmarting the extradimensional hitchhiker taking up residence in his "would-be girlfriend". He may be a bit over-confident that he's knocked her out for a few hours at least and is safe to leave her unattended, but he wants Dana back not just her body. Maybe he truly cares, maybe he's just not into a woman being the aggressor. I just don't see a version where he carries out an actual sexual assault. Even at his worst, the character seems to put a lot of effort into wanting his "conquests" to come to him willingly.
Hell, as an addendum, when Dana leaves him between GB1 and GB2 it apparently really hits him hard. According to Ray "Well he was borderline for awhile... then he crossed the border." He's a shitty partner and a womanizer and I'm sure he has some shit in his past that's worse than anything we ever see, but I also believe his and Dana's mutual attraction is sincere, even if he's an absolute disaster once he tries to settle into a real relationship.
that accounts for all of .0005% of the movie (the later isn't shown at all I don't think)
I know it's just that that stuff is in there and is kind of icky. That's all.
Vinz "the keymaster" absolutely has sex with Zuul "the gatekeeper".
Louis's pants are unbuckled afterwards and there's a deleted scene where a disoriented Louis asks Dana if they "uh... y'know?"
Dana denies it so he'll drop it, but they very much had sex to open that portal.
The ghost-job scene is viscerally uncomfortable and I wish it didn't make it to the final cut. Easily the hardest thing to watch when showing new viewers.
Maybe he just peed off the top of the building! Demons are evil, it would do that!
Yeah of course they did, but never until this thread did I suspect Venkman and Dana.
I will admit that my first twenty or so viewings were based on the TV VHS copy my Dad made, so I didn't ever see the ghost blowjob until maybe...five years ago when I got the Blu Ray box set.
Yeah, and in Ray's dream maybe the ghost is stealing his pants and he passes out from fright?
That's what I thought when I was young and innocent and I'd rather stick to it.
While we're at it, do you think Dana had that outfit in her closet already? Vinz doesn't change Louis's appearance at all. He shows up to the firehouse in the same buttondown, skewed glasses, etc that he left the party in. I like to believe this means Zuul spent some time to go through Dana's wardrobe, found that sparkly number in the back somewhere, then spent a good hour on her hair and makeup waiting for a knock on the door.
Ghostbusters was one of my absolute favorite films for as long as I can remember and literally the only version I had to watch for over a decade was a VHS television recording of it from when it had aired on TV.
Ask me to recite the mayoral office exchange, and what comes to mind for me is
"Everything was fine with our system until the power grid was shut off by Wally Wick here."
"It's true your honor, this man is some sort of rodent, I don't know which..."
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That seems like something one of you would know.
Casio Micro-Mini M810 Calculator.
That was fast.
He must have like 3 or 4 different on screen calculators in the movie.
I mean I didn’t know it but I am a Master Librarian and know how to google search. :P
I am not as good at it. Besides you probably know which gb fan sites have the accurate info
I am curious about the coffee setup from the Vinz Clortho scene now though too, I somehow doubt there is as much info on that one just floating around.
Wish me luck. I'm going to need it.
It looks like a standard 80’s round restaurant style coffee pot with the brown plastic lip and handle denoting caffeinated on a lab Bunsen burner.
I’d not be surprised if they just took one from craft services.
That would also be something any prop department would have several of for set dressing.
It's very much a hipster method these days but this is how it works in a more modern piece of equipment
Is worth noting you can kinda also use common lab equipment for the same effect, so it's very possible that that's what it was too.
They have changed over the years. Only the little diners use glass anymore at all. Even Bob evens uses conical double walled stainless steel these days.
I think they are definitely trying to evoke the weird chemistry set style mid century vacuum coffee maker aesthetic with the burner and what all though for sure, even if they didn't get a special pot from a thrift store or something and just used what they had.
Isn't that version not actually in 4K, just a 4K transfer of the original film and then downscaled to 1080p.
As far as the coffee pot, looks like it's just sitting over a basic bunson burner.
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-It's funny that the Ghostbusters theme exists IN the Ghostbusters universe.
-Egon is kind of a monster who probably shouldn't be allowed to do science on the living.
-Is the subtext of this lady who was told the world was going to end by an Alien in a Holiday Inn was coerced into sex and created the alien story as a way of blocking it out?
-Ray is just delightfully excited a couple of ghosts popped up out of nowhere.
-I've noticed that this film isn't held in high regard, but I think it superior to the original in at least one way: during the montage sequence, we actually see the Ghostbusters busting ghosts, rather than just them running through the streets with hot traps while radio hosts talk about them.
-I'm way more curious about the mechanics of Egon fucking the mood slime than I should be.
-I'd like to think that face down on a couch, fully dressed and wearing his coat is how Pete sleeps most of the time.
-These guys totally just left their car parked in front of a museum where there is obviously no parking. I'm surprised they didn't get towed.
-Holy crap, all this time I thought the river of slime underneath Vigo was on stairs for some reason, but it's just an illusion caused by the lighting passing through archways giving the illusion of steps.
That is, unfortunately, the main thrust of her bit. She got inebriated at a Holiday Inn bar in Paramus, NJ and followed a guy up to his room and things happened. Her exact level of of consent isn't clear, though she was under the influence at the time. Everything from him revealing himself to be an alien to the prediction of the apocalypse after that was probably fabricated to cover up what actually happened likely more due to shame than trauma.
The other way to take it is that since Venkman's first crackpot was actually correct about the world ending at midnight on New Year's Eve that the alien encounter was also factual. Thankfully Feburary 14th 2016 has come and gone and we avoided that particular fate. You're welcome by the way.