I do appreciate they just say that shit and don't really explain it. Like we could figure the crystals were valuable, the spotchka was liquor etc. Or just show something like a Krayt Dragon Pearl and for those in the know you're like "OH SHIIII" but for everyone else its like "well whatever that was."
Its a star wars show that assumes you've consumed other star wars media and outside of the new stuff they are introducing like this specific mando culture or this character in general, you're just like "sure yep that's a thing."
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
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the Krayt in KotOR was a pushover compared to the one in the show
jesus no wonder the Sand People bolted when Obi Wan imitated its call
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This episode is a big shiny example of how you do some properly nostalgic callbacks without making a story that's blatantly trying to use badly-done nostalgia to carry the story. It was just packed with great callbacks that you don't need to know about at all to enjoy the episode; I think my favorite has to be the Marshal's kickass speeder bike because not only does it look neat, it referenced one of the few interesting things that came out of the PT. Plus, they went completely all-in on making a straight-up Space Western episode, which is just too good. The music continues to be awesomely on point as well.
Honestly, this show totally revives all those warm fuzzy feelings I had for Star Wars that I thought the ST managed to kill stone dead. It just does not fail to miss a beat while still being it's own thing.
Oh, and how sweet was the Marshal's pistol? That's the kind of low-key-but-great detail that adds so much to the show. An iconic and unique weapon, yet we hardly see it for more than a few seconds. Totally look forward to seeing the Marshal bring that back when he shows up again.
I enjoyed the ST but shit I wish Filoni and Favreau were given a shot at them. Filoni especially, he fucking understands Star Wars and what it could/should be.
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"I guess every once in a while both suns shine on a wamp rats tail"
yes this feeds me
This episode could have contained this solitary line and nothing else and I would have been a happy camper.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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The showmakers just pack so much interesting shit into practically every moment. The whole sequence before even going to Tatooine is so dense with atmospheric bits; the whole setup of the red-eyed critters hiding in the dark of the slums, the Mando trekking through alone with the child, it all flowing together for that final shot of the Mando leaving the gangster hanging from the busted streetlight. All the threat and the rules are implied through completely visual means, no need for a clumsy annoying shove-it-in-the-viewer's face dangerous moment just to excuse somebody painfully explaining to stay in the light.
Then we've got all that neat graffiti covering everything, plus getting to see why people would hire Gamorrans as guards. They're not real bright, but damn those force-axes looked properly menacing.
The show has no problem whatsoever with spending time on those big, slow wide shots, but it also works damn hard to pack tons of visual info into every scene.
EDIT: Rewatching the new episode and just... goddamn, the music is so good. The sweet guitar riffs as the Mando kicks ass in hand-to-hand, the awesome sweeping score as he flies down to Tatooine, the fantastic slow guitar notes as he casually drifts into the town. So well-timed and it's all so well-composed for adding extra flavor to the scenes.
i like that they don't over use baby yoda. they gave me enough that i chuckled or cracked a smile (kicking away the pod was hilarious) but they don't abuse it and that is just great.
Great starting episode with some really really great moments - the jetpack usage, the end bit of course. I hope they let Filoni and Favreau do a movie eventually.
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i think an underappreciated element of making it a western is that it allows a completely straight take on the star wars stuff
if you were simply doing "star wars, but a series" the point of reference would be the films - you would be in conversation with solely that, and constantly being forced to either play it straight (and risk a comparison you would be unable to win) or subvert (which, at this point, is obvious and hard to do without undermining the spirit)
but having it be a western means you can play the genre trappings of both the western and star wars completely straight and the mixture is, in and of itself, novel enough to entertain and interest the audience - while letting you abuse the fact that you can just yoink stock situations, ridiculous dialogue etc off both shelves and staple them together with no compunction
and this is good, because the major failing of almost all news star wars stuff has been that it has always been a cannibalistic exercise: its always been made with respect to itself, and theres only so many times you can do the first and second-order subversions or reversals of expectations. thus, the obvious conclusion?
Star Wars itself, the OT, back before it became its own myth, was like 100% "stuff we swiped from other stuff". The Battle of Yavin is The Dam Busters, like shot for shot. It's Westerns, it's Flash Gordon, it's samurai movies, it's...
All of this comes from George himself being a film nerd in a time when that wasn't quite as common as the internet lets everyone be. For all his terrible dialogue and moments of directorial hubris, I will give him this: like Hans Gruber, he was an exceptional thief. :biggrin:
And Filoni seems to be his successor in the best way. (Though I will always give him shit when he brings in his damn wolves.)
Also that krayt was clearly a cousin species. No legs
No it was just a full grown adult. Clearly the KOTOR ones were just juveniles that had not yet grown large to the point where their legs can no longer support their massive weight and are shed as vestigial limbs.
Star Wars itself, the OT, back before it became its own myth, was like 100% "stuff we swiped from other stuff". The Battle of Yavin is The Dam Busters, like shot for shot. It's Westerns, it's Flash Gordon, it's samurai movies, it's...
All of this comes from George himself being a film nerd in a time when that wasn't quite as common as the internet lets everyone be. For all his terrible dialogue and moments of directorial hubris, I will give him this: like Hans Gruber, he was an exceptional thief. :biggrin:
And Filoni seems to be his successor in the best way. (Though I will always give him shit when he brings in his damn wolves.)
yeah say what you want about Lucas
But he had really excellent taste in the movies he borrowed from
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Someone pointed it out elsewhere, but man Boba Fetts jetpack must have an obvious design flaw because Mando hit it too to make him shoot off somewhere else.
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The shot with the Mando and the Marshall on their speeders, foreground, and the Sand People on the banthas, background, is basically quintessential Star Wars.
The shot with the Mando and the Marshall on their speeders, foreground, and the Sand People on the banthas, background, is basically quintessential Star Wars.
The end shot is maybe on of my favorites in the series. Wide shot of the Mando cruising the dunes, you see the one sun and can't help but want that second sun shot... and there it is, big and gorgeous. Then it transitions over to the iconic Star Wars shot: the lone figure silhouetted against the two setting suns, with a great surprise when he turns around.
It should be cheesy but damn I love it. Both pays homage to where Star Wars started but puts a decidedly Mandalorian spin on it.
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Low-key the star of the this ep? The music, starting at a certain point. Like, it was still good, but then at the scene where the Tuskens ride into town it started feeling so much more grand, somehow.
And a complaint I had about the first season is that it felt cut to the bone. In a good way! There was zero fat on that show. Even in, e.g., the opening montage of chapter 2, the individual shots and so on were quick, efficient, even if the montage itself was a decent length. But at the same time...fat's flavorful, ya know? And they feel much more willing to let a shot linger--to, e.g., build tension before a big moment. It shows confidence. They know the audience has bought in and won't get bored if they don't immediately get to the good shit.
Also, I think chapter 9 contains the first use of a dolly zoom I've seen in Star Wars live-action, so that was neat.
Overall, it feels like the same show, but with more confidence and craft. Dialog could still use work though.
I think this lends credence to Boba being a real Mando. His armor is janky, his jetpack isn't smooth, but that shit worked. You can see the difference between the armorsmith's work and the kid that's been hobby shopping his dad's old suit for 2 or 3 decades.
Also, holy shit, Timothy's hair. I would pay $200 to look that good coming out of a helmet just for 1 day.
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No, it just means that Boba's (i.e. Jango's) armor was real beskar...and supposedly Jango stole his.
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Weaponry looked like sand people stuff, their sticks and rifle. Also one of their cloaks. You know thinking on it, might not be Boba Fett, could be the person who taught the mando about Sand People, he seems to be one of the only characters in star wars who doesn't just shoot them on sight as that's a plot hook I really would like to know a little bit more on.
I totally missed the opening alien was John Leguizamo.
For the end cameo spoiler
it is either Boba Fett or one of the surviving clones from the clone wars. It was definitely the actor for the clones and Boba Fett is a clone that was made to age at a regular rate.
As soon as the alien mentioned Tatooine I was sure Boba Fett was going to be involved. Then I saw the Marshall in the armor and I was pretty confident Boba Fett survived the pit and then we got the cameo at the end.
I really really liked the first episode of season 2. Lots of really interesting details that are easy to miss like the pod racer engine speeder bike.
They said the Dragon's cave was a sarlac pit - the former owner had been killed. The breadcrumbs are all there I think!
I thought it was awesome almost all the way through.
The only issue I had, was the Gammorean fight. Well, that and the slapstick repair droids.
I know it's a minor issue, but both Gammoreans looked the same to me. With fighting arts, especially ones spectated/bet on, there's usually something to identify which is which. Different gloves, trunks, shirts.
Or maybe they did look different, and I'm just subconsciously Gammoreacist?
Well, that and these big f'n axes being not very lethal. I get that the fight needed to be extended, but just give them mauls or something, rather than axes that don't cut.
Someone pointed it out elsewhere, but man Boba Fetts jetpack must have an obvious design flaw because Mando hit it too to make him shoot off somewhere else.
the way mando hit it makes me think that maaaaaaaaaybe all the mandolorian jetpacks do that, because he knew it would send the marshall off.
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yes this feeds me
Its a star wars show that assumes you've consumed other star wars media and outside of the new stuff they are introducing like this specific mando culture or this character in general, you're just like "sure yep that's a thing."
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if you don't know what a Krayt Dragon Pearl is, you know it's a valuable shiny, and that's all you need to know
the show is full of fun details but it doesn't really tell people who aren't steeped in Star Wars to fuck off
Yeah that's what I mean. It treats me like I'm paying attention.
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A pearl from a krayt dragon.
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It was the reward for killing one in KOTOR.
Loot
jesus no wonder the Sand People bolted when Obi Wan imitated its call
Honestly, this show totally revives all those warm fuzzy feelings I had for Star Wars that I thought the ST managed to kill stone dead. It just does not fail to miss a beat while still being it's own thing.
Oh, and how sweet was the Marshal's pistol? That's the kind of low-key-but-great detail that adds so much to the show. An iconic and unique weapon, yet we hardly see it for more than a few seconds. Totally look forward to seeing the Marshal bring that back when he shows up again.
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This episode could have contained this solitary line and nothing else and I would have been a happy camper.
Then we've got all that neat graffiti covering everything, plus getting to see why people would hire Gamorrans as guards. They're not real bright, but damn those force-axes looked properly menacing.
The show has no problem whatsoever with spending time on those big, slow wide shots, but it also works damn hard to pack tons of visual info into every scene.
EDIT: Rewatching the new episode and just... goddamn, the music is so good. The sweet guitar riffs as the Mando kicks ass in hand-to-hand, the awesome sweeping score as he flies down to Tatooine, the fantastic slow guitar notes as he casually drifts into the town. So well-timed and it's all so well-composed for adding extra flavor to the scenes.
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if you were simply doing "star wars, but a series" the point of reference would be the films - you would be in conversation with solely that, and constantly being forced to either play it straight (and risk a comparison you would be unable to win) or subvert (which, at this point, is obvious and hard to do without undermining the spirit)
but having it be a western means you can play the genre trappings of both the western and star wars completely straight and the mixture is, in and of itself, novel enough to entertain and interest the audience - while letting you abuse the fact that you can just yoink stock situations, ridiculous dialogue etc off both shelves and staple them together with no compunction
and this is good, because the major failing of almost all news star wars stuff has been that it has always been a cannibalistic exercise: its always been made with respect to itself, and theres only so many times you can do the first and second-order subversions or reversals of expectations. thus, the obvious conclusion?
a star wars sitcom
All of this comes from George himself being a film nerd in a time when that wasn't quite as common as the internet lets everyone be. For all his terrible dialogue and moments of directorial hubris, I will give him this: like Hans Gruber, he was an exceptional thief. :biggrin:
And Filoni seems to be his successor in the best way. (Though I will always give him shit when he brings in his damn wolves.)
No it was just a full grown adult. Clearly the KOTOR ones were just juveniles that had not yet grown large to the point where their legs can no longer support their massive weight and are shed as vestigial limbs.
*scurries away to write a wookieepedia entry*
This is the best Star Wars thing on film since The Return of the Jedi.
yeah say what you want about Lucas
But he had really excellent taste in the movies he borrowed from
That’s, like, the Abed level of meta.
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Not that I've ever heard of. Otherwise, the Tusken Raiders wouldn't have run off when Obi-Wan imitated their call way back A New Hope.
Incidentally, you can totally hear the same call coming out of the cave when they're trying to draw out the dragon.
They even gave it some low-speed rumble and pop so it would sound a bit like a motorcycle engine, too. Why straddle two genres when you can do three?
Everybody in town completely stopping what they're doing was perfect Western as well. Plus the armor jangle in place of spur sounds.
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The end shot is maybe on of my favorites in the series. Wide shot of the Mando cruising the dunes, you see the one sun and can't help but want that second sun shot... and there it is, big and gorgeous. Then it transitions over to the iconic Star Wars shot: the lone figure silhouetted against the two setting suns, with a great surprise when he turns around.
It should be cheesy but damn I love it. Both pays homage to where Star Wars started but puts a decidedly Mandalorian spin on it.
Low-key the star of the this ep? The music, starting at a certain point. Like, it was still good, but then at the scene where the Tuskens ride into town it started feeling so much more grand, somehow.
And a complaint I had about the first season is that it felt cut to the bone. In a good way! There was zero fat on that show. Even in, e.g., the opening montage of chapter 2, the individual shots and so on were quick, efficient, even if the montage itself was a decent length. But at the same time...fat's flavorful, ya know? And they feel much more willing to let a shot linger--to, e.g., build tension before a big moment. It shows confidence. They know the audience has bought in and won't get bored if they don't immediately get to the good shit.
Also, I think chapter 9 contains the first use of a dolly zoom I've seen in Star Wars live-action, so that was neat.
Overall, it feels like the same show, but with more confidence and craft. Dialog could still use work though.
Also, holy shit, Timothy's hair. I would pay $200 to look that good coming out of a helmet just for 1 day.
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The only issue I had, was the Gammorean fight. Well, that and the slapstick repair droids.
I know it's a minor issue, but both Gammoreans looked the same to me. With fighting arts, especially ones spectated/bet on, there's usually something to identify which is which. Different gloves, trunks, shirts.
Or maybe they did look different, and I'm just subconsciously Gammoreacist?
Well, that and these big f'n axes being not very lethal. I get that the fight needed to be extended, but just give them mauls or something, rather than axes that don't cut.
the way mando hit it makes me think that maaaaaaaaaybe all the mandolorian jetpacks do that, because he knew it would send the marshall off.
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