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Master of Orion and Master of Orion 2

Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
edited August 2007 in Games and Technology
Love, love, loved these games back in the day. What I want to know is what is a good modern game to play that has similar gameplay? It seems all of the newer games are too complicated to be fun. MoO and the sequel were just complicated enough to be fun but did not require tons of micromanagement.

Also, let's discuss how awesome both of these games were.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I found that all the newer games are too simple. MOO3, GalCiv II and Sword of the Stars all seemed to put the player in a rather secondary position, able to give the odd nudge here and there but not able to actually run the empire.

    It's a shame, as I do love those games (and Master of Magic). I would have thought that somebody would have managed a decent remake by now, but everything seems to be "in progress" and seems like it will remains that way forever.

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  • Edgler VessEdgler Vess Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Galactic Civilizations II: Dark Avatar, and its expansion, I found to be fantastic, Ive heard that the expansion cleans up a lot of the problems that Mojo mentioned above, its the only game i've found that comes even close to MoO and MoO2, and as far as im concerned MoO 3 doesn't exsist.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    I saw Sword of the Stars while I was at work yesterday. It's what gave me the idea to make this thread. Is it worth playing at all?

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    The demo was godawful. I never got the game because of it.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Apparently the developers decided to release a demo which did not represent the game. Most people aren't willing to spend money after playing it however. So the full game may not be terrible.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    Apparently the developers decided to release a demo which did not represent the game. Most people aren't willing to spend money after playing it however. So the full game may not be terrible.

    Damn. Someone here has had to have played it.

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  • GladiGladi Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    captaink wrote: »
    The demo was godawful. I never got the game because of it.

    Bright day
    Seconded. I had imagined 3D space 4X game for long time, so playing demo crushed that little fantasy of mine quite a bit. Though I found tactical combat the worst in demo.

    OP: No there are not. GalCiv II is a good 4x space game, but it is its own game. Which is bad because MOO2 rocked and I still play it, as I do play MoM.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited May 2007
    Wasn't there a sequel to MoO2 called Microsoft Excel?

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    I intentionally left MoO3 out of the discussion.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Master of Orion 2 was great stuff

    Master of Orion 3 was poop shat out of a butt

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Gladi wrote: »
    captaink wrote: »
    The demo was godawful. I never got the game because of it.

    Bright day
    Seconded. I had imagined 3D space 4X game for long time, so playing demo crushed that little fantasy of mine quite a bit. Though I found tactical combat the worst in demo.

    I even got an updated demo and it had the same problems. Clunkiest interface ever and ugly art.

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  • GladiGladi Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Master of Orion 3 was poop shat out of a butt

    Some of the ideas were... interesting. I liked the fleet interface and private colonization drives. Idea of various races requiring diferent enviroments was interesting, but the destruction of iconic landscapes made things mostly confusing for me.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    I need to find copies of MoO and MoO2. I don't know what happened to mine and it doesn't seem like I'm going to find anything newer to replace their glory.

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  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Sword of the Stars is horrible and it's developers are horrible and they should feel horrible for making a horrible game. It's the only game I have played that has given me a headache just from moving around the camera and navigating the interface.

    Get Galactic Civlizations, the first one, or get the second one with it's expansion. If you want a realy hard time though get Star Wars: Rebellion I think it's called. It's a real time MoO2 only a lot more difficult, it also has multiplayer.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I need to find copies of MoO and MoO2. I don't know what happened to mine and it doesn't seem like I'm going to find anything newer to replace their glory.
    MoO2's ship building system was the best thing ever

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited May 2007
    Isn't there one more in the making? Forgot the name right now.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    Echo wrote: »
    Isn't there one more in the making? Forgot the name right now.

    I will hold no hope for this game if it is true.

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  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I need to find copies of MoO and MoO2. I don't know what happened to mine and it doesn't seem like I'm going to find anything newer to replace their glory.
    MoO2's ship building system was the best thing ever

    I could never find out where that ship builder thingy was, which was probably why I kept losing battles. Just matter much though because I hate ship building in games. Even in Kingdom Hearts I just flew around as a little block with guns attatched to it.

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    I found that all the newer games are too simple. MOO3, GalCiv II and Sword of the Stars all seemed to put the player in a rather secondary position, able to give the odd nudge here and there but not able to actually run the empire.

    It's a shame, as I do love those games (and Master of Magic). I would have thought that somebody would have managed a decent remake by now, but everything seems to be "in progress" and seems like it will remains that way forever.

    If you want -more- detail, the Space Empires series is what you want. It gets almost obsessive about it at times. (just be warned V has an oddball interface).

    In IV I was fighting another player via PBW. I was just cleaning his clock when he realized that my supply ships were A. hanging back and B. unarmored. So he changed his ship's strategies, they bypassed by fleet, blew away my supply ships, then harassed my fleet until it ran out of supplies and was easy picking. (out of supply ships move only slowly and can't shoot)

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Galciv II is the best to come down the pipe, but it's a different style.

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  • GladiGladi Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    MoO2's ship building system was the best thing ever
    Ah, thanks for reminder. Yes, while the number models was limited, they had this great feature of auto-updating with new versions of basic technology.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    rayofash wrote: »
    I need to find copies of MoO and MoO2. I don't know what happened to mine and it doesn't seem like I'm going to find anything newer to replace their glory.
    MoO2's ship building system was the best thing ever

    I could never find out where that ship builder thingy was, which was probably why I kept losing battles. Just matter much though because I hate ship building in games. Even in Kingdom Hearts I just flew around as a little block with guns attatched to it.
    The ship design button was in the production queue menu in your colonies, I think. I loved designing my own fleet of ships, especially once you can start building titans and such. And getting captured antaran tech without cheating is so satisfying :D

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    rayofash wrote: »
    I need to find copies of MoO and MoO2. I don't know what happened to mine and it doesn't seem like I'm going to find anything newer to replace their glory.
    MoO2's ship building system was the best thing ever

    I could never find out where that ship builder thingy was, which was probably why I kept losing battles. Just matter much though because I hate ship building in games. Even in Kingdom Hearts I just flew around as a little block with guns attatched to it.
    The ship design button was in the production queue menu in your colonies, I think. I loved designing my own fleet of ships, especially once you can start building titans and such. And getting captured antaran tech without cheating is so satisfying :D
    Yeah once I got to the point where I could capture the bastards instead of evacuating, it was like christmas. And hitting Orion of course.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    I loved the anti-piracy in the first game that would make you name a ship that you had to look up in the manual.

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  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I loved the anti-piracy in the first game that would make you name a ship that you had to look up in the manual.

    Reminds me of the old games like Hunt for Red October, F19, and Railroad Tycoon.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    This is such a disappointing thread. I was hoping someone was going to chime in and be like "Oh yeah, get blah, blah blah...if you loved MoO and MoO2, you'll love it!"

    So sad...

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    My brother and I used to pick a race, difficulty, and size in MoO and then save it right away. One of us would play through first, then the other. It's amazing how much the game would change from the first time you loaded it on. Sure if the first dude was successful you'd know immediately where the good planets were, or sometimes on the higher difficulty one of us would lose in turns while the other gets random tech gifts and other boons. I love MoO, and I love the irrational way the computer conducts diplomacy. Keeping people friendly in that game is a matter left up to fate, as they'll turn on you for no god damned reason.

    MoO 2 is great as well, with its multiplayer, leaders, and even more pimptastic ship design. I like the new races and a new victory method is always appreciated. Something about how it plays though has me returning to it less than MoO; I only ever feel the need to go multiplayer when I can convince 2+ people to slum it up with me.

    I've tried all the other supposed 4x games in the past ten years, none of them come close to MoO.

    In short, I would kill for a multiplayer version of MoO, and I am not a violent man. No graphical or sound improvements necessary. If it just popped up on PSN or XBLA I'd go out and buy one this second. MoO 2 I still have on every computer in this house (I got four copies of the game for $.99 cents awhile back, dest deal ever) but I would start playing it religiously if they had a DS port with online. Someone who knows someone, get to it.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    sorry, the best we can do is reminisce about the good old days

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  • frylockedfrylocked Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Has anyone had any luck getting the game to run on Winxp? I couldnt get moo2 to run without crashing out / glitches on XP.

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  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    This is such a disappointing thread. I was hoping someone was going to chime in and be like "Oh yeah, get blah, blah blah...if you loved MoO and MoO2, you'll love it!"

    So sad...

    There aren't many 4X games.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    frylocked wrote: »
    Has anyone had any luck getting the game to run on Winxp? I couldnt get moo2 to run without crashing out / glitches on XP.

    I got MoO running using Dosbox at one point but that was a while ago.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    frylocked wrote: »
    Has anyone had any luck getting the game to run on Winxp? I couldnt get moo2 to run without crashing out / glitches on XP.

    No kidding, the only thing I had trouble with was setting up the multiplayer. Its MoO that is hard to get working on the old XP.

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  • frylockedfrylocked Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    frylocked wrote: »
    Has anyone had any luck getting the game to run on Winxp? I couldnt get moo2 to run without crashing out / glitches on XP.

    No kidding, the only thing I had trouble with was setting up the multiplayer. Its MoO that is hard to get working on the old XP.

    What did you do to get it up? Sans multiplayer that is.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    frylocked wrote: »
    frylocked wrote: »
    Has anyone had any luck getting the game to run on Winxp? I couldnt get moo2 to run without crashing out / glitches on XP.

    No kidding, the only thing I had trouble with was setting up the multiplayer. Its MoO that is hard to get working on the old XP.

    What did you do to get it up? Sans multiplayer that is.

    I got the multiplayer working too after installing the proper IPX protocols. Let's go to my other computer and check the settings. I'll be right back.

    MOO2-Compatability mode, start with nothing checked, try running the game.

    MOO-Compatability mode, win 95, then you need to go under the memory options, click uses HMA. Should work.

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  • ElectricBoogalooElectricBoogaloo Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Gal Civ 2 is awesome. It is however not MoO.

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  • DeswaDeswa Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Someone mind explaining what a 4X game is?

    I think Im one of the few people that did not like Galactic Civ II. I enjoy having my systems to be connected by dotted lines.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Deswa wrote: »
    Someone mind explaining what a 4X game is?

    I think Im one of the few people that did not like Galactic Civ II. I enjoy having my systems to be connected by dotted lines.

    Xpand, Xterminate, Xtremeitude, eXplore.

    One of those may not be quite right...

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  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    eXplore, eXpand, eXploit and eXterminate.

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  • ZellZell Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    If you want to play Master of Orion 2 multiplayer, I think DOSBox is the recommended way. The Windows version isn't very stable in XP, but the autosaves makes sure that's not a huge problem.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    rayofash wrote: »
    eXplore, eXpand, eXploit and eXterminate.

    They always use those but it really just means "turn-based space empire strategy game."

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