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G&T rule fixer-uppers

HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
I think there are a few things that need to either be made clearer or added to the G&T rules for sanity's sake (as in, if someone violates the rules there is less room to argue about their innocense when clearly in violation). I'm kinda being a nit-picky bastard, I know.

Add to Porn rule:
"If a forumer requests that you not directly display an image with image tags, please respect their request. Many users browse the forums while at their place of work (their work ethics are for their bosses to question, not us :wink: )."


Rewrite spoiler rule:
"Always include a spoiler notice in the subject of your thread where appropriate. If you must include a spoiler in a response, please use the [ spoiler ] tags where appropriate. If spoiler-tag joking is rampant, please opt to use the [ realspoiler ] tags. For judgment on what is a spoiler and what isn't, use common sense; a game from five years ago is unlikely to be spoiled for people (though it is possible), but a game that came out last month most likely can be spoiled."


Add to Search rule:
"We understand that you may have an urgent issue with a topic that may be at page 40, but we ask that you be persistant in the correct thread with what you have to say or ask."


My Note/request for contacting the moderators:
Post an aim account (make it if you don't have it) to better suit the contact in emergency function. For those that want to do it, please add it next to the PM button with the little AIM icon there. Not all mods have to do this, this is just my request to maybe get faster response time when trouble is going on.


My note/request for the common computer knowledge link:
Would it be possible to update that thread at all? Or make a new one? I didn't go through it thoroughly, but usually those types of things get forgotten.


Adding a jailing note to either Miscellaneous or Tips for Success:
"If you are unfortunately jailed for violating the rules written here, please remain reasonable about it and contact the mod or deputy that jailed you. Keep any discussion to PMs. Making a thread about it does not help your case."


Add a note to either Miscellaneous or Tips for Success:
"The rules written here are to be respected in the Chat Thread, minus the on-topic bits (it is, afterall, a chat thread). Rules regarding forum etiquette, NSFW material, etc, are to be followed just as closely as in any other thread."

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  • redstormpopcornredstormpopcorn Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    :^:

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited November 2004
    :? :roll:

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2004
    Yeah, there's a bit of discussion about the rules. I've been meaning to rewrite the section on spoilers, since it doesn't mention spoiler tags att all.

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  • ToastToast Registered User
    edited November 2004
    Can we also have a review of the "official thread" policy* please? It's pretty retarded as it stands.

    *Specifically the "you can't discuss a game at all under any circumstance outside its official thread" bit

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited November 2004
    I actually agree with someone in the spoiler thread about spoiler tags.. they should be used, definitely.. but if they are and it's for a joke.. well.. nobody has to look.

    Other than that, speaking as someone who is on this site from work more than anywhere else, this
    Add to Porn rule:
    "If a forumer requests that you not directly display an image with image tags, please respect their request. Many users browse the forums while at their place of work
    is probably my biggest concern. I'd like to see that implemented.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Toast wrote:
    Can we also have a review of the "official thread" policy* please? It's pretty retarded as it stands.

    *Specifically the "you can't discuss a game at all under any circumstance outside its official thread" bit

    You can, but if it's not worthwhile, it's going to be locked. For example, creating a Game On: Star Wars Battlefront with servers and whatnot to play outside of the current Battlefront topic would be fine. Creating a "How do I beat X in Battlefront" or "I have technical problem Y with Battlefront" would not, because they are questions which do not really deserve their own thread. If it's going to be answered in less than a page or two, just post it in the existing topic.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    Jasconius wrote:
    :? :roll:
    What?

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  • ToastToast Registered User
    edited November 2004
    Monoxide wrote:
    Toast wrote:
    Can we also have a review of the "official thread" policy* please? It's pretty retarded as it stands.

    *Specifically the "you can't discuss a game at all under any circumstance outside its official thread" bit

    You can, but if it's not worthwhile, it's going to be locked. For example, creating a Game On: Star Wars Battlefront with servers and whatnot to play outside of the current Battlefront topic would be fine. Creating a "How do I beat X in Battlefront" or "I have technical problem Y with Battlefront" would not, because they are questions which do not really deserve their own thread. If it's going to be answered in less than a page or two, just post it in the existing topic.

    See, it looks like we have a fundamental disagreement about the meaning of "worthwhile", which is due to a similar disagreement about the role of such threads. Personally, I'd rather see official threads act as mop-ups for any discussion which wouldn't warrant its own thread if there wasn't an official thread. Or, to put it another way, the game being discussed in a thread should not have a bearing on whether it's thread-worthy or not - if it'd be fine if it was asking/saying the same thing about a game without an official thread (subject to duplication rules), I'd say it should be allowed.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    This is why the rules encourage lurking (somewhere in there). It gives people an idea of "worthwhile" would mean.

    Anyways, I'm not mod, so obviously all these fixer-uppers I posted are just suggestions. Still, I think we could use those temperings.

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  • apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Henroid wrote:
    "If a forumer requests that you not directly display an image with image tags, please respect their request. Many users browse the forums while at their place of work (their work ethics are for their bosses to question, not us :wink: )."

    I want to comment briefly on recent events. People got banned for ticking off the mods/deputies. The image that caused it was fine in terms of content (the size was perhaps problematic, but nobody really cared about that), and the complaining was pointless and dumb. Most directly, NSFW is at the discretion of the mods/admins/deputies - who do a fine job at it, I think - and will not be determined by means of a vote or public displays of disapproval.

    Last thing we need is a plebian thought police. It's an internet forum, not a church social.


    Inclusion of some of our newer features - i.e. spoiler tags - is a decent idea.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    apotheos wrote:
    Henroid wrote:
    "If a forumer requests that you not directly display an image with image tags, please respect their request. Many users browse the forums while at their place of work (their work ethics are for their bosses to question, not us :wink: )."

    I want to comment briefly on recent events. People got banned for ticking off the mods/deputies. The image that caused it was fine in terms of content (the size was perhaps problematic, but nobody really cared about that), and the complaining was pointless and dumb. Most directly, NSFW is at the discretion of the mods/admins/deputies - who do a fine job at it, I think - and will not be determined by means of a vote or public displays of disapproval.

    Last thing we need is a plebian thought police. It's an internet forum, not a church social.


    Inclusion of some of our newer features - i.e. spoiler tags - is a decent idea.
    So you're saying that the mods are the ones who decide if someone is inappropriate, or offensive? I think that's a little shallow. It's not asking much when someone says, "Hey, my boss wouldn't like seeing that (or parent or anyone else in the room), could you please remove it?" When the forumer being asked to remove it doesn't, that's when a mod can be asked to come in to handle the situation. It's all case-to-case basis, yes. But that's part of your guys' job; the mediate and decide, not simple enforcement.

    In relation to yesterday's events, the forumer asked to remove the image had his temp-ban coming. After being asked to remove it, he was still posting links to it and kept getting on everyone's case about it; including the mods. Insubordination is NOT something mods should overlook. There is a difference between calling a mod a poopie head and then giving him shit for instructing you to do something.

    The image itself, I feel, is entirely inappropriate. It was a photoshopped GIF of an adolescent kissing a ten year old character. And yes, it may be a cartoon, but remember that hentai falls under the jurisdiction of pornography. I don't know where you come from, but where I come from kissing a ten year old in that manner is NOT okay.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Henroid wrote:
    The image itself, I feel, is entirely inappropriate. It was a photoshopped GIF of an adolescent kissing a ten year old character. And yes, it may be a cartoon, but remember that hentai falls under the jurisdiction of pornography. I don't know where you come from, but where I come from kissing a ten year old in that manner is NOT okay.

    You're fucking insane. All of you are.

    First off, what is pornographic about it? Most of us can't even tell if the thing on the left is even female. Assuming it is, what, if anything at all, implies anything even remotely sexual about it? It looks like the one on the right is the thing on the left's mother.

    You people are goddamned loons. I'm convinced of it. And no Henroid, just because it'd be nice if everyone always had to cater your every request doesn't mean that's going to be a rule we're going to jail or ban people over.

    The reason that image was unacceptable was because it's so fucking huge it makes my cable modem hiccup while loading that page. The only reason Mwu was banned was because he's a stupid antagonistic asshole who was sassing the deputies and who doesn't know when to stop. Zzulu got banned because he's too stupid to realize when it's not a good idea to jerk around, in the hopes that maybe this will get him to start thinking before posting.

    NSFW my fucking ass. If that's NSFW, you shouldn't be a PA period. The stuff in the COMIC is a million and one times more offensive. How on Earth is that imagine somehow more inappropriate than the Fruit Fucker? Don't answer that. It isn't. You're all insane.

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  • bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    pheezer wrote:
    NSFW my fucking ass. If that's NSFW, you shouldn't be a PA period. The stuff in the COMIC is a million and one times more offensive. How on Earth is that imagine somehow more inappropriate than the Fruit Fucker? Don't answer that. It isn't. You're all insane.

    I should probably stop going on my obscenity binges in D&D, too.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited November 2004
    Even me? :(

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  • ptlisptlis Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    I have nothing to add to this discussion other than I agree 100% with what phreezer said.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    I didn't say it was pornographic. I said it is inappropriate. And on the topic of fruit fucker, how many people post pics of it with the words "Fruit Fucker" in intensely big letters? Nobody.

    There is a difference between someone reading the comic at THEIR choice in the workplace and someone having an image show up that is NSFW at someone else's choice.

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  • LineNoizLineNoiz Registered User
    edited November 2004
    The only thing I have to add is that while the picture in question was far from what I would consider NSFW, I found the banning of Mwu and Zzulu highly entertaining, and therefore completely appropriate.

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  • apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Whatever the hell cartoon that is from could very well degrade into some prepubescent orgy. Only then would I give it a second glance.

    NSFW is dictated by us as we manage this place. We don't do it to the tastes of everyone, certainly, and that is they way it needs to be unless we want a sanitized forum. I'd like to meet the conservative nazi who would find that graphic in any way sexual, let alone offensive. I would point and laugh.

    If that nazi is your boss, you might want to try doing something really rebellious at work like working.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited November 2004
    ptlis wrote:
    I have nothing to add to this discussion other than I agree 100% with what phreezer said.

    But I didn't say anything.

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  • bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Henroid wrote:
    And on the topic of fruit fucker, how many people post pics of it with the words "Fruit Fucker" in intensely big letters? Nobody.

    Full comics in which the Fruit Fucker is involved are generally far less work-friendly than that clip. Should people who post them in the G&T chat thread be banned? No, really--I'm curious.

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  • bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    phreezer wrote:
    ptlis wrote:
    I have nothing to add to this discussion other than I agree 100% with what phreezer said.

    But I didn't say anything.

    I am so banning you now.

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  • ptlisptlis Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    Heres an idea for people who browse any forum at work and worry about NSFW material: DISABLE IMAGES. It can be done in IE, Firefox and Opera so there's no good reason to complain about NSFW images at all for gods sake; I worked in a school for 8months and this is exactly what I did to prevent trouble.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    bone daddy wrote:
    phreezer wrote:
    ptlis wrote:
    I have nothing to add to this discussion other than I agree 100% with what phreezer said.

    But I didn't say anything.

    I am so banning you now.

    That was the greatest alt ever and you know it.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    bone daddy wrote:
    Henroid wrote:
    And on the topic of fruit fucker, how many people post pics of it with the words "Fruit Fucker" in intensely big letters? Nobody.

    Full comics in which the Fruit Fucker is involved are generally far less work-friendly than that clip. Should people who post them in the G&T chat thread be banned? No, really--I'm curious.
    I'm not saying come down with the iron fist and enforce shit. I'm talking about if someone requests to have someone in a link format as opposed to being right there in image tags. It doesn't sound unreasonable at all.

    Forget fruit fucker, forget yesterday's pic. If someone simply asks "can you link that instead" I don't think it is unreasonable to do so. When you become an uppity asshole about it then it is, unfortunately, an issue.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    I'm unfamiliar with the work environment. You get in trouble for using company resources for your entertainment, right? What about online games, going to some flash site, reading Penny Arcade, etc.? If you are caught doing those, will your boss shrug it off just so long as it isn't porn?

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  • bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    pheezer wrote:
    bone daddy wrote:
    phreezer wrote:
    ptlis wrote:
    I have nothing to add to this discussion other than I agree 100% with what phreezer said.

    But I didn't say anything.

    I am so banning you now.

    That was the greatest alt ever and you know it.

    Remember when deni said I had a lump of coal where my heart should be?

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    ptlis wrote:
    Heres an idea for people who browse any forum at work and worry about NSFW material: DISABLE IMAGES. It can be done in IE, Firefox and Opera so there's no good reason to complain about NSFW images at all for gods sake; I worked in a school for 8months and this is exactly what I did to prevent trouble.
    No, there are still many reasons to complain about NSFW material, and there will always be rules against NSFW material being posted.

    However, that's a moot point because there's nothing NSFW about that image. There's nothing even remotely sexual implied.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Henroid wrote:
    bone daddy wrote:
    Henroid wrote:
    And on the topic of fruit fucker, how many people post pics of it with the words "Fruit Fucker" in intensely big letters? Nobody.

    Full comics in which the Fruit Fucker is involved are generally far less work-friendly than that clip. Should people who post them in the G&T chat thread be banned? No, really--I'm curious.
    I'm not saying come down with the iron fist and enforce shit. I'm talking about if someone requests to have someone in a link format as opposed to being right there in image tags. It doesn't sound unreasonable at all.

    Forget fruit fucker, forget yesterday's pic. If someone simply asks "can you link that instead" I don't think it is unreasonable to do so. When you become an uppity asshole about it then it is, unfortunately, an issue.

    Henroid, you aren't a mod. You don't get to make those requests.

    Users don't get to bully each other into not posting things for no good reason other than "they don't want it posted". If you have a problem with a posted image, you get a mod to look at it and take appropriate action. If you have a problem with the moderating decisions made, you can talk to an admin.

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  • apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Henroid wrote:
    Forget fruit fucker, forget yesterday's pic. If someone simply asks "can you link that instead" I don't think it is unreasonable to do so.

    Ok, maybe he would have been a nice guy and done it because it meant something to you. But its also not unreasonable for him to say "no".

    Which is why we're not going to make a rule, and I'd actively recommend that we leave the content of a post as a relationship between the author and the mods.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    IN ANY FUCKING CASE,

    I didn't make this thread to discuss yesterday's bullshit.

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  • bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Henroid wrote:
    When you become an uppity asshole about it then it is, unfortunately, an issue.

    Towards whom? It's not kosher to have users playing the--What was it? "Faggot Jew"?--towards mods and deputies, obviously. But users tell one another to shut the hell up all the time about non-ruling breaking things. Had a rule it actually violated--size or h-scroll--been cited, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Instead, a rule it really doesn't break is being pointed to, and people are behaving like oxygen-crazed Victorians.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Henroid wrote:
    IN ANY FUCKING CASE,

    I didn't make this thread to discuss yesterday's bullshit.

    Then why did you choose to discuss yesterday's bullshit in it?

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  • apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    pheezer wrote:
    If you have a problem with the moderating decisions made, you can talk to an admin.

    And if you have a problem with an admin decision, your account gets deleted.

    It's a very clean process.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    pheezer wrote:
    Henroid wrote:
    IN ANY FUCKING CASE,

    I didn't make this thread to discuss yesterday's bullshit.

    Then why did you choose to discuss yesterday's bullshit in it?
    Apo brought it up, and I wanted to try and use it as an example. Apparently it is a bad one, so forget it.

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  • apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    pheezer wrote:
    Henroid wrote:
    IN ANY FUCKING CASE,

    I didn't make this thread to discuss yesterday's bullshit.

    Then why did you choose to discuss yesterday's bullshit in it?

    It's the only real issue in this thread. The other ideas all are very minor, and involve simply refreshing the rules to demonstrate and advocate new features, like the spoiler tag.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    You know what, if you guys are going to start playing the "let's interpret what Henroid wrote for ourselves" game then just lock this. Seriously, I didn't deserve this crap just for suggesting a few rewordings in the rules.

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  • Jazz SamuraiJazz Samurai Registered User
    edited November 2004
    With regards to someone asking that you link a picture instead of posting it .... if it hasn't already been deemed NSFW by the mods or whatever, then just get over it. Why should people have to cater to one person just because he's dicking around on a forum instead of doing his job? I know I'm not really saying anything that hasn't already been said ... but I'm just throwing my opinion out there and pretending people care, a.k.a. using an Internet forum.

    On the other hand, updating the Rules to reflect new features like the Spoiler tag is a good idea.

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    i just have to say that the spoiler addendum as henroid wrote it is too lenient.

    its terrible to suggest any rules of thumb.

    simply mark ALL spoilers.

    that means all games/movies/books/whatever no matter when they were released.

    seriously, its not that hard to put them on, and you're bound to affect one person (one too many) if you just go by what you think is bad to reveal or not.



    and if the thread isnt inherently about one game's spoiling.. ie: a FFVII ending thread...

    then spoilers should be done in this manner


    Super Mario Bros
    [spoiler:ef29b2d1a7]she's in another castle![/spoiler:ef29b2d1a7]

    if you dont put something outside the spoiler, then how the hell is anyone supposed to know if its something they can read or not?

    that is largely a problem in places like chat threads or "most/best/memorable game/moments/ending/scene" threads, where every post is potentiall a spoiler, but one has no clue as to which are safe for them personally and which are not.

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  • MammalMammal Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    Here's an idea; a button for the spoiler tags.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    yeah, it'd be great if you could define a name inside the spoiler tags, like the quote tag.

    And I don't think anything is getting new buttons until the new forums later this year - apparently it's all a jumble of code there and not worth the time fixing at the moment.

    Although more use of the big empty grey space to the right of the post box would be great.

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