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It's a Sakuga [Anime] Thread

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So not every frame of an anime is made equally. Every single unique frame has to get drawn by somebody, so due to budget and time limitations, typically there's quite a lot of sequences of people standing still and talking. It still might look pretty, but there's just not the time to animate every little twitch and gesture that you'd see if you were simply filming live action.

But then there's times when just capturing the bare essentials of movement isn't enough. This might be an exciting fight scene, a character breaking down into tears, or maybe just someone running really hard. These are sakuga moments, those scenes where the production pays a little extra to have their best people do their best work, or even have well-known freelancers come in just for that sequence. This has always been something that feels a bit unique to anime, at least as far as I know - most western animation seems to focus on maintaining a similar quality level throughout(?), and there certainly doesn't seem to be that tradition of elite freelancers coming in to do specific sequences.

So like, remember how great the Deku vs Todoroki fight was in My Hero Academia? That was by Yutaka Nakamura! He's done tons of standout bits from various series, he's p much a legend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9WInd9Nxms

Tetsuya Nishio, a Gainax alum, he's done everything from the Great Teacher Onizuka OP, Ping Pong, The Cat Returns, FLCL...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlu_gupc8U

Norio Matsumoto did a ton of the standout fights from Naruto (yes, he did That One Rock Lee Fight), as well as lots of other fights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k34Nw9QJrig

And well, obviously there's lots more examples out there, including way more non-fighting examples which I think I'm neglecting... But I wandered back across the Chika dance, so now I'm just stuck rewatching this over and over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK6ROjrzCZA

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    Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    You made an animation focused anime thread and didn't name it "Keep Your Hands Off Our [Anime] Thread"?

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    You made an animation focused anime thread and didn't name it "Keep Your Hands Off Our [Anime] Thread"?

    I was really tempted to just go with JUST key animators who have done sequences in Eizoken, because unsurprisingly there's a ton of them. And then just end the OP with "and all these people are currently working on Eizoken so go watch it"

    But I figured by the time I did all that legwork someone else would've just made a new op anyway, so, y'know.

    As Eizoken teaches us, gotta keep your projects within reasonable mandates.

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    PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    The first example of this that comes to mind for me is the hug from Steven Universe.

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    chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    The Monogatari series is my favorite example of sakuga. Because they will bring in people like Shigeki Sunada who did awesome work for stuff like Steamboy and Evangelion. But all he does is a single pointless scene like Araragi swinging Hachikuji around by the leg. There is no reason that scene needed that much money put into it but they sure did it anyway.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    I think Monogatari is like that partially because the director just likes that sort of thing, and partly because 95% of it is scenes of standing and talking with no action so they really want to flex on the animation SOMEHOW in the episodes that don't have any action scenes in them.

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    AnzekayAnzekay Registered User regular
    I think Monogatari is like that partially because the director just likes that sort of thing, and partly because 95% of it is scenes of standing and talking with no action so they really want to flex on the animation SOMEHOW in the episodes that don't have any action scenes in them.

    yeah some of the animation in Monogatari is just absolutely incredible, and I really love those bits.

    also this AMV really showcases some of the great animation from the second season (linked because it, being monogatari, is a bit nsfw)

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    WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    i was just earlier today introduced to the word sakuga(i was familiar with the practice of juicing up certain scenes/episodes) so there is some wild baader-meinhof going on for me itt right now

    anyways

    i just finished the first season of is it wrong to try to pick up girl in a dungeon, and boy are my arms tired. it was...fine, but i'm waiting for the twist? there's a lot of wild shit that's just kind of accepted as Fact in this world

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    chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    Whippy wrote: »
    i was just earlier today introduced to the word sakuga(i was familiar with the practice of juicing up certain scenes/episodes) so there is some wild baader-meinhof going on for me itt right now

    anyways

    i just finished the first season of is it wrong to try to pick up girl in a dungeon, and boy are my arms tired. it was...fine, but i'm waiting for the twist? there's a lot of wild shit that's just kind of accepted as Fact in this world

    I rather like that series but I don't recall it being anything but exactly what it says on the tin.

    My only kind of annoyance is there is a really good story in that series called the Argonaut which is basically a far past version of the story that the writer did specifically for the mobile game. The Clown/Argonaut is a way better character than Bell and I actually kind of like Bell.

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Imo anime is more like suckuga

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    chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    Imo anime is more like suckuga

    Ishuzoku Reviewers is doing amazingly well, yes.

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited February 2020
    If we want to talk about actual sakuga in Western animation, Takufumi Hori's sequence in Steven Universe is pretty outstanding

    but the real standout is, of course, (real SU spoiler)
    James Baxter doing that long cut of the Stevens' fusion dance

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    The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Another reason to like bofuri: For all it's breakneck pace + light and fluffyness, it's actually very re-watchable.

    Probably because it's comic timing, voice acting etc is on point. Mr raaaabiiiit!

    Also, In/Specter is good, though i cant shake the feeling the main female lead would be way, way creepier behavior wise if she was a guy. The Youkai are adorable/great though, epsecially their terror of the male lead and the constant "My lady! we asked you to stay away from him!". Nice to have an actually disabled protag though it dosent seem to impede her too much in the story other than the constant hospital visits

    any other anime from the past year+ i should be looking into? I hear Vinland Saga is good, though that's not easily accessible here in the land of the long white cloud. (Likewise, FMA: Bortherhood doesn't exist on crunchyroll or netflix here, which is just obnoxious)

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    Oh, so the door was closing.

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    This season I'm pretty much exclusively watching Eizouken and Somali

    I'm mostly enjoying Somali because it feels like fantasy anime felt when I was a kid, and doesn't feel like an isekai or an RPG clone

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I will watch Eizoken in one big batch at the end of the season when I switch from funimation you crunchyroll again

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    We talked about Fire-Hot Aunt at some point in the last thread or one before it. Despite it's awful title, it's a funny series and I've been picking them up on Kindle since they're so cheap.

    Unfortunately someone at the publisher screwed up when uploading them and the very bottom and top of the pages aren't included, which can sometimes cut off some text. I'm on the fourth volume and it still has this issue (also, weirdly volume 3 had the pages in left-to-right order instead of right-to-left), so I decided to try and contact the publisher to fix it. Books can be patched in this day and age, right?

    Unfortunately, I couldn't find an English website for them. So I decided to try and contact Amazon instead. Their chat support person pawned me off onto a phone support person.

    And let me tell you, having to constantly repeat the words "Fire-Hot Aunt" to some hard-of-hearing old lady on the phone is one of the nine circles of hell.

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    Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited February 2020
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    If we want to talk about actual sakuga in Western animation, Takufumi Hori's sequence in Steven Universe is pretty outstanding

    but the real standout is, of course, (real SU spoiler)
    James Baxter doing that long cut of the Stevens' fusion dance

    This scene in The Owl House really impressed me with the sudden jump in quality.

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    BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    Imo anime is more like suckuga

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    chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    Another reason to like bofuri: For all it's breakneck pace + light and fluffyness, it's actually very re-watchable.

    Probably because it's comic timing, voice acting etc is on point. Mr raaaabiiiit!

    Also, In/Specter is good, though i cant shake the feeling the main female lead would be way, way creepier behavior wise if she was a guy. The Youkai are adorable/great though, epsecially their terror of the male lead and the constant "My lady! we asked you to stay away from him!". Nice to have an actually disabled protag though it dosent seem to impede her too much in the story other than the constant hospital visits

    any other anime from the past year+ i should be looking into? I hear Vinland Saga is good, though that's not easily accessible here in the land of the long white cloud. (Likewise, FMA: Bortherhood doesn't exist on crunchyroll or netflix here, which is just obnoxious)

    Dunno what all you've watched but:
    Mob Psycho 100
    Kaguya love is war
    Promised Neverland
    My roommate is a cat
    Endro
    Morose Mononokean
    -
    Fruits Basket
    Senko-san
    Carole and Tuesday
    Hitoribocchi
    Sarazanmai
    -
    Dr. Stone
    How heavy are your dumbbells
    Machikado mazoku/demon girl next door
    -
    Cautious Hero
    Beastars (a bit darker tho)
    Iruma-kun
    High score girl
    African Salaryman
    Ascendance of a bookworm

    A lot of other good/great things last year but I feel like these are ones that are generally fluffy enough that anyone could like them.

    Other good stuff like quints or we never learn is there, too, but not everyone is into that kind of romance stuff.

    If I was going to give a 100% just me recommendation that isn't on that list: symphogear. The final season aired (XV) but like, watch all of it. Symphogear, G, GX, AXZ, XV. The first couple episodes start off so-so and then it just becomes amazing. As long as you aren't hyper concerned about being a Very Serious Person.

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    "Didn't I Say to Make My Abilities Average in the Next Life?" was also this past fall and was light fluff.

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    silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Lars wrote: »
    We talked about Fire-Hot Aunt at some point in the last thread or one before it. Despite it's awful title, it's a funny series and I've been picking them up on Kindle since they're so cheap.

    Unfortunately someone at the publisher screwed up when uploading them and the very bottom and top of the pages aren't included, which can sometimes cut off some text. I'm on the fourth volume and it still has this issue (also, weirdly volume 3 had the pages in left-to-right order instead of right-to-left), so I decided to try and contact the publisher to fix it. Books can be patched in this day and age, right?

    Unfortunately, I couldn't find an English website for them. So I decided to try and contact Amazon instead. Their chat support person pawned me off onto a phone support person.

    And let me tell you, having to constantly repeat the words "Fire-Hot Aunt" to some hard-of-hearing old lady on the phone is one of the nine circles of hell.

    Crunchyroll manga has a similar problem. All of their pages are "off" by one, so all of their two-page spreads are broken up over two pages. It's pretty appalling QC, and I'm sure they've received complaints that just fall on deaf ears.

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    IsornIsorn Registered User regular
    edited February 2020
    Another reason to like bofuri: For all it's breakneck pace + light and fluffyness, it's actually very re-watchable.

    Probably because it's comic timing, voice acting etc is on point. Mr raaaabiiiit!

    Also, In/Specter is good, though i cant shake the feeling the main female lead would be way, way creepier behavior wise if she was a guy. The Youkai are adorable/great though, epsecially their terror of the male lead and the constant "My lady! we asked you to stay away from him!". Nice to have an actually disabled protag though it dosent seem to impede her too much in the story other than the constant hospital visits

    any other anime from the past year+ i should be looking into? I hear Vinland Saga is good, though that's not easily accessible here in the land of the long white cloud. (Likewise, FMA: Bortherhood doesn't exist on crunchyroll or netflix here, which is just obnoxious)

    Dunno what all you've watched but:
    Mob Psycho 100
    Kaguya love is war
    Promised Neverland
    My roommate is a cat
    Endro
    Morose Mononokean
    -
    Fruits Basket
    Senko-san
    Carole and Tuesday
    Hitoribocchi
    Sarazanmai
    -
    Dr. Stone
    How heavy are your dumbbells
    Machikado mazoku/demon girl next door
    -
    Cautious Hero
    Beastars (a bit darker tho)
    Iruma-kun
    High score girl
    African Salaryman
    Ascendance of a bookworm

    A lot of other good/great things last year but I feel like these are ones that are generally fluffy enough that anyone could like them.

    Other good stuff like quints or we never learn is there, too, but not everyone is into that kind of romance stuff.

    If I was going to give a 100% just me recommendation that isn't on that list: symphogear. The final season aired (XV) but like, watch all of it. Symphogear, G, GX, AXZ, XV. The first couple episodes start off so-so and then it just becomes amazing. As long as you aren't hyper concerned about being a Very Serious Person.

    Spoilered because it is a little large.
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    I love Symphogear as well. Good times. It has a fantastic soundtrack which comes up on my playlist very regularly.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Periodic Shonen Jump table of contents update for the new thread:
    Dr. Stone (Cover, Lead CP)
    Kimetsu no Yaiba
    Shirosugi! Aku no Soshiki (One Shot)
    Boku no Hero Academia
    Mitama Secu-Re-ty
    Yakusoku no Neverland (CP)
    Jujutsu Kaisen
    Mashle
    Chainsaw-man (CP)
    Undead Unluck
    Act-Age
    Majo no Moribito
    Black Clover
    Boku-tachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai
    Agravity Boys
    Yozakura-san Chi no Dai Sakusen
    Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san
    Zipman!!
    Samurai 8

    One Piece, Haikyuu!! (Absent)

    Still no cancellation news on anything. Personal thoughts on things:
    Dr. Stone is in arc-transition mode. Its last one ended VERY strong, and it'll be interesting to see where the new arc goes, but I really hope the new goal is set up as a multi-arc thing, because it'd feel like bullshit if they somehow jump straight to that. Unless it's a misdirection and "go to the moon" means "build a huge telescope" in which case I'm back on board.

    KnY - still need to make the anime->manga jump here

    MHA is kicking off the new arc with a bang, and it's been great, but at this point it's just feeling like waiting for the other shoe to drop. Also, it occurred to me recently, while watching the last season - it's been long enough. Find a way to get Lemillion his powers back, damnit.

    Promised Neverland has been....honestly not great. :/ It's had HORRENDOUS pacing problems since the timeskip. Things it needs to let breathe it rushes through, and things that should be quick and pointed are dragged out. There's been some interesting body horror stuff and designs, but it's fallen so far since that sublime first arc (and very solid series through the end of Goldy Pond). It's just...disappointing.

    Jujutsu Kaisen is a decent standard fighting series, but I keep feeling like it's missing "linking" pages. Every time I read this, I feel like I'm missing things.

    Mashle needs a better hook, and soon. The joke was funny at first, but it's wearing thin fast.

    Chainsaw-man continues to be a train wreck I can't look away from. Also, the latest volume cover is YET ANOTHER naked woman, so I'm half wondering if this is just building a fanbase then will move to a different magazine.

    Act-Age is great, but this arc has felt too long. I hope they don't take as long with the second play.

    Guardian of the Witch has actually gotten off to a very solid start for my tastes: established characters, set stakes, set out on an arc with a determined end-point that is reasonable but not immediately reachable. It feels very "Soul Eater" in a less drastic "Attack on Titan" world? Also, according to the maps it takes place in the UK :v

    We Never Learn seems to be hurtling towards its end. I'm satisfied with where things are going, but the REAL entertainment comes from reading the comments. MAN some people are pissed.

    Mission: Yozakura Family is FINALLY making the needed pivot to having a more long-form story, perhaps, but I'm thinking it might be happening a smidge too late to save the series. If he could just get over everyone being obsessed with the sister, this could be a real good series.

    Yuuna is also beelining for an ending - guessing this is the final volume?

    Zipman has descended into self-parody in record time and seems to be trying to shove an entire series' worth of arcs into the two volumes it's probably going to get. It's not good.

    One Piece is One Piece, I've come around on Oden, and him dying in boiling oil is a hilarious pun.

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    TcheldorTcheldor Registered User regular
    Isorn wrote: »
    Another reason to like bofuri: For all it's breakneck pace + light and fluffyness, it's actually very re-watchable.

    Probably because it's comic timing, voice acting etc is on point. Mr raaaabiiiit!

    Also, In/Specter is good, though i cant shake the feeling the main female lead would be way, way creepier behavior wise if she was a guy. The Youkai are adorable/great though, epsecially their terror of the male lead and the constant "My lady! we asked you to stay away from him!". Nice to have an actually disabled protag though it dosent seem to impede her too much in the story other than the constant hospital visits

    any other anime from the past year+ i should be looking into? I hear Vinland Saga is good, though that's not easily accessible here in the land of the long white cloud. (Likewise, FMA: Bortherhood doesn't exist on crunchyroll or netflix here, which is just obnoxious)

    Dunno what all you've watched but:
    Mob Psycho 100
    Kaguya love is war
    Promised Neverland
    My roommate is a cat
    Endro
    Morose Mononokean
    -
    Fruits Basket
    Senko-san
    Carole and Tuesday
    Hitoribocchi
    Sarazanmai
    -
    Dr. Stone
    How heavy are your dumbbells
    Machikado mazoku/demon girl next door
    -
    Cautious Hero
    Beastars (a bit darker tho)
    Iruma-kun
    High score girl
    African Salaryman
    Ascendance of a bookworm

    A lot of other good/great things last year but I feel like these are ones that are generally fluffy enough that anyone could like them.

    Other good stuff like quints or we never learn is there, too, but not everyone is into that kind of romance stuff.

    If I was going to give a 100% just me recommendation that isn't on that list: symphogear. The final season aired (XV) but like, watch all of it. Symphogear, G, GX, AXZ, XV. The first couple episodes start off so-so and then it just becomes amazing. As long as you aren't hyper concerned about being a Very Serious Person.

    Spoilered because it is a little large.
    gazTeHB.png

    I love Symphogear as well. Good times. It has a fantastic soundtrack which comes up on my playlist very regularly.

    Should I actually watch Symphogear? Someone pitch me on it because I've heard middlin rumblings from a lot of places about its quality.

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    Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Its a idol show where the idols are people who turn part robot and fight things

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    Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    Symphogear is very fun but it is also extremely dumb. In both the good and bad ways.

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    IsornIsorn Registered User regular
    If you ever wanted to see a space shuttle getting suplexed Symphogear is your show.

    Don't expect high art but it is genuinely a fun watch. Plus again. Fantastic soundtrack.

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    chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    Isorn wrote: »
    If you ever wanted to see a space shuttle getting suplexed Symphogear is your show.

    Don't expect high art but it is genuinely a fun watch. Plus again. Fantastic soundtrack.

    Excuse you good sir, cutting an entire mountain range in half, length wise, is high art and should be respected.

    Also a lot of places seem intent on not actually having fun and have a fearful need for everything to have some deep inner meaning. I reject that and say sometimes you just need to watch someone fly with the power of punching really hard. Most times, really.

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    TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    Isorn wrote: »
    If you ever wanted to see a space shuttle getting suplexed Symphogear is your show.

    Don't expect high art but it is genuinely a fun watch. Plus again. Fantastic soundtrack.

    Excuse you good sir, cutting an entire mountain range in half, length wise, is high art and should be respected.

    Also a lot of places seem intent on not actually having fun and have a fearful need for everything to have some deep inner meaning. I reject that and say sometimes you just need to watch someone fly with the power of punching really hard. Most times, really.

    Should probably mention those 2 things happen in the same over the top opening montage.

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    TcheldorTcheldor Registered User regular
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Isorn wrote: »
    If you ever wanted to see a space shuttle getting suplexed Symphogear is your show.

    Don't expect high art but it is genuinely a fun watch. Plus again. Fantastic soundtrack.

    Excuse you good sir, cutting an entire mountain range in half, length wise, is high art and should be respected.

    Also a lot of places seem intent on not actually having fun and have a fearful need for everything to have some deep inner meaning. I reject that and say sometimes you just need to watch someone fly with the power of punching really hard. Most times, really.

    Should probably mention those 2 things happen in the same over the top opening montage.

    Dumb fun is completely ok. Dumb dumb, not usually ok.

    I guess I'll give it a shot.

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    chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Isorn wrote: »
    If you ever wanted to see a space shuttle getting suplexed Symphogear is your show.

    Don't expect high art but it is genuinely a fun watch. Plus again. Fantastic soundtrack.

    Excuse you good sir, cutting an entire mountain range in half, length wise, is high art and should be respected.

    Also a lot of places seem intent on not actually having fun and have a fearful need for everything to have some deep inner meaning. I reject that and say sometimes you just need to watch someone fly with the power of punching really hard. Most times, really.

    Should probably mention those 2 things happen in the same over the top opening montage.

    It's harder to explain the ninja kites, so I went with what was already brought up.

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    BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    symphogear is absolutely fucking ridiculous







    also good

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    TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    Symphogear is Code Geass season 2 turned into a music powered magical girl show that knows it's core audience.

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    WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    symphogear? i don't like it

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Whippy wrote: »
    i was just earlier today introduced to the word sakuga(i was familiar with the practice of juicing up certain scenes/episodes) so there is some wild baader-meinhof going on for me itt right now

    anyways

    i just finished the first season of is it wrong to try to pick up girl in a dungeon, and boy are my arms tired. it was...fine, but i'm waiting for the twist? there's a lot of wild shit that's just kind of accepted as Fact in this world

    s2 is not great

    hestia is still bestia and bell is still my precious idiot boy

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    EvilOtakuEvilOtaku Registered User regular
    DanMachi S2 felt like the recap episode of a better show

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