Gurren Lagann ep 4 is weird. From what I understand, they had decided in advance to give that episode to a guest director they were friends with, who has a very, uh, quirky and distinctive style that is somewhat of an acquired taste.
There was a huge fan backlash at the time and it's kinda hard to find concrete information about the fallout, but from what I can tell it was always just meant to be a one off experimental episode.
It reminds me of when KyoAni tried to kill Lucky Star off despite the desperately hungry audience for the material with some of the worst direction for a slice of life show I'd ever seen for the first 5 or 6 episodes. Finally, they switched directors and it became a widely beloved mega hit and that director gave interviews like, "No, it is the children who are wrong."
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Gurren Lagann ep 4 is weird. From what I understand, they had decided in advance to give that episode to a guest director they were friends with, who has a very, uh, quirky and distinctive style that is somewhat of an acquired taste.
There was a huge fan backlash at the time and it's kinda hard to find concrete information about the fallout, but from what I can tell it was always just meant to be a one off experimental episode.
Okay, here's my take regarding that:
Bringing in a guest director is fine, but don't do it in the early stage of your show.
Apparently it's that showrunner's thing? All of his shows either have wild ass fourth episodes with guest directors and a different animation style, or in one case he just skipped episode 4 entirely, declaring that his 13 episode show was actually 5 separate seasons (so 3 episodes per season, and then an abbreviated 5th season that was only one episode long).
Gurren Lagann ep 4 is weird. From what I understand, they had decided in advance to give that episode to a guest director they were friends with, who has a very, uh, quirky and distinctive style that is somewhat of an acquired taste.
There was a huge fan backlash at the time and it's kinda hard to find concrete information about the fallout, but from what I can tell it was always just meant to be a one off experimental episode.
It reminds me of when KyoAni tried to kill Lucky Star off despite the desperately hungry audience for the material with some of the worst direction for a slice of life show I'd ever seen for the first 5 or 6 episodes. Finally, they switched directors and it became a widely beloved mega hit and that director gave interviews like, "No, it is the children who are wrong."
KyoAni didn't try to kill Lucky Star off. The original director was bad and got fired and replaced after 4 episodes. He also some really shitty views so they probably dodged a bullet.
It reminds me of when KyoAni tried to kill Lucky Star off despite the desperately hungry audience for the material with some of the worst direction for a slice of life show I'd ever seen for the first 5 or 6 episodes. Finally, they switched directors and it became a widely beloved mega hit and that director gave interviews like, "No, it is the children who are wrong."
KyoAni didn't try to kill Lucky Star off. The original director was bad and got fired and replaced after 4 episodes. He also some really shitty views so they probably dodged a bullet.
Huh. I tried that show a couple of years back, but it didn't grab me at all - 'twas decent enough, but ~ehhh. Didn't really understand why it was so well regarded, either, but figured it was a case of "just not for me", so I dropped it pretty quickly. But if you're telling me it gets a whole lot better a few episodes in, I may have to give it another try.
Gurren Lagann ep 4 is weird. From what I understand, they had decided in advance to give that episode to a guest director they were friends with, who has a very, uh, quirky and distinctive style that is somewhat of an acquired taste.
There was a huge fan backlash at the time and it's kinda hard to find concrete information about the fallout, but from what I can tell it was always just meant to be a one off experimental episode.
It reminds me of when KyoAni tried to kill Lucky Star off despite the desperately hungry audience for the material with some of the worst direction for a slice of life show I'd ever seen for the first 5 or 6 episodes. Finally, they switched directors and it became a widely beloved mega hit and that director gave interviews like, "No, it is the children who are wrong."
KyoAni didn't try to kill Lucky Star off. The original director was bad and got fired and replaced after 4 episodes. He also some really shitty views so they probably dodged a bullet.
I was being dramatic. Obviously, they wanted the show to succeed but that director (imo) sucked real bad and was ruining the entire enterprise.
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Tried Bottom-tier Character Tomozaki episode 1 out of curiosity.
Hits way too close to home, except I'm also trashfire at the game I spend most of my time.
I think I'll continue watching just to keep arguing with the FeMC. Some people are born to be unhappy, dammit!
Random meetings of chance don't drop strangers into people's lives who make it their mission to "fix" another person, but that's fiction for you: the place where Narrative Causality is a thing and happy endings really exist.
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Huh I only managed to watch 1 episode of Lucky Star and I was very much unimpressed. I guess I should try to push through those early eps?
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Gurren Lagann ep 4 is weird. From what I understand, they had decided in advance to give that episode to a guest director they were friends with, who has a very, uh, quirky and distinctive style that is somewhat of an acquired taste.
There was a huge fan backlash at the time and it's kinda hard to find concrete information about the fallout, but from what I can tell it was always just meant to be a one off experimental episode.
It reminds me of when KyoAni tried to kill Lucky Star off despite the desperately hungry audience for the material with some of the worst direction for a slice of life show I'd ever seen for the first 5 or 6 episodes. Finally, they switched directors and it became a widely beloved mega hit and that director gave interviews like, "No, it is the children who are wrong."
KyoAni didn't try to kill Lucky Star off. The original director was bad and got fired and replaced after 4 episodes. He also some really shitty views so they probably dodged a bullet.
I was being dramatic. Obviously, they wanted the show to succeed but that director (imo) sucked real bad and was ruining the entire enterprise.
While the director is certainly a huge asshole and massive piece of arrogant shit who burned all his goodwill, people were definitely huge fans of it right from the get go. I distinctly remember huge flamewars particularly between people who thought the long segment on chocolate cornets was the best thing ever and people who thought it was boring crap. KyoAni has always had and cultivated a pretty rabid fanbase.
Tried Bottom-tier Character Tomozaki episode 1 out of curiosity.
Hits way too close to home, except I'm also trashfire at the game I spend most of my time.
I think I'll continue watching just to keep arguing with the FeMC. Some people are born to be unhappy, dammit!
Random meetings of chance don't drop strangers into people's lives who make it their mission to "fix" another person, but that's fiction for you: the place where Narrative Causality is a thing and happy endings really exist.
The second episode didn't have as awful a speech as the "everybody is born the same, there's no such thing as privilege", but it did have a moment where the popular jock guy was being an ass, so the girl calls him a loser, and the entire class breaks out in applause. It was like someone animated one of those bad Twitter stories. The rest of the episode was "Check out this harem! You thought he was reviled, but he's actually beloved by all the popular girls!" So...
Lucky Star is a mix of niche anime references and more broad, character based comedy. I haven't rewatched recently, but probably that latter stuff holds up fine. It's not like Nichijou was 100% on target either, some of that uber specific Japanese pun stuff was not at all fun to watch. Just a lot of... there must be a joke here... but how?
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Nichijou is the perfect comedy.
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Perfect!
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I never watched Lucky Star but mainly because it came out during that short period after Haruhi's massive success where there were a bunch of other "zany" slice of life shows coming out trying to hop on that wave.
I figured it was just another one and ignored it.
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Oh hey, it's been a couple of weeks now so I should probably get around to giving my thoughts on Higurashi: Matsuribayashi!
It was certainly a journey, but I'll be honest - this chapter was not my favourite by a long shot. Which is a shame since it's the finale! There were amazing moments in there, some great payoffs, and it wrapped things up in a more-or-less satisfying way... but as an overall reading experience, it was an active drag for wayyyyy too much of the time.
[Full Higurashi spoilers]
The bad:
- The prologue, and more broadly, Takano. It was nice to see her humanised a lot more, but I think overall I just don't find her to be a compelling antagonist. That's probably part of what made the prologue a complete slog. I was so happy to be out of it - I feel like it could have been a quarter of the length and effectively communicated all of the necessary beats. But unfortunately, that brings me to...
- Piecing together the timeline. After the low of the prologue, I was so excited to be introduced to this idea of putting together the perfect timeline! But the execution... *sigh*... it wasn't long before I was feeling the boredom here too. I think the main problem is that there weren't a lot of actual reveals? I can only think of one or two important things I learned from this segment, and there are just SO MANY fragments to go through. The order that I could access the fragments in also seemed sort of broken? Like at one point I was pretty much at a brick wall until I randomly clicked on one that required Rena to be "forgiven" or something, and it worked - in spite of me doing literally no Rena fragments.
- Irie's "awesome" moment... jojo pose aside. Everyone else hit the mark when it was their chance to shine, and Irie's moment is just the worst part of his character dialed up to 13. No thanks.
The okay
- The epilogue. So short! I was so happy that everyone made it through, but I was a little bummed that we learned so little of where they went from there. I mean, take some of the fat out of the prologue and give me alllll the fat on the epilogue, please and thank you.
- In a story about trusting and confiding in the people close to you, it's a LITTLE undercut that Rika never really did tell the gang the full truth. She feels so alone because only her and Hanyuu know about the time loop... and then she just... never tells them. Even after they've bought into the massive conspiracy narrative that turned out to be true. I feel like either this or them more explicitly coming to remember their past lives, and learning from them, would have been so much more emotionally satisfying. I mean, it's the best part of Keiichi's arc in Tsumihoroboshi!
- Hanyuu. Her growth was great, and she was believable as a rallying influence... but there being no attempt at an explanation for why she was able to manifest a body, and the fact that she's able to do supernatural stuff with nobody really questioning it? It feels a bit... convenient. Almost lazy.
The great:
- Pretty much everything past the agonising setup. Special shoutouts to Akasaka's van punch, Ooishi taking out Ootaka, and Shotgun Kasai! Oh and, of course, the kids taking out a whole secret army unit with guerilla warfare.
Thinking about it, I just have one big remaining question mark:
[Full Higurashi spoilers]
Why did Takano's fake dead double not show up in Onikakushi? I can't think of any possible reason.
Also... in the intervening time I miiiight have fully caught up on Higurashi Gou. But that's a separate discussion, especially the most recent episode...
Yeah I'd give the ending of Higurashi a solid "okay".
I get why it was like that, but it was pretty disappointing that the final chapter focused so hard on all the adult characters to the detriment of the child characters we'd been following the entire time. Chapters 6 and 7 were the high points of the series.
Not from chapter 8 but my dark horse favorite moment was
In chapter 3 when Takano picks up Keiichi after he murders Satoko's uncle and spends the whole car ride going "Hey. Hey. I can't help but notice you aren't pointing out how suspicious I'm being. Aren't you gonna ask where Tomitake is? Aren't you going to point out how I totally murdered him? Huh? Huh?!" and Keiichi just goes "Lady I have no idea what you're talking about".
Yeah I'd give the ending of Higurashi a solid "okay".
I get why it was like that, but it was pretty disappointing that the final chapter focused so hard on all the adult characters to the detriment of the child characters we'd been following the entire time. Chapters 6 and 7 were the high points of the series.
Not from chapter 8 but my dark horse favorite moment was
In chapter 3 when Takano picks up Keiichi after he murders Satoko's uncle and spends the whole car ride going "Hey. Hey. I can't help but notice you aren't pointing out how suspicious I'm being. Aren't you gonna ask where Tomitake is? Aren't you going to point out how I totally murdered him? Huh? Huh?!" and Keiichi just goes "Lady I have no idea what you're talking about".
Yuuuup!
Like, the guerilla warfare stuff was great and all, but that's their entire contribution once everything has been set into motion. They built up the adult characters just fine (Irie's issues aside), and with the nature of the conspiracy it wouldn't make sense to leave everything to some relatively powerless kids, but... I care about them! Even if the adult stuff has to happen, make it happen more in the background and leave the spotlight on the gang!
Regarding the dark horse moment:
It's retroactively ridiculous how obvious they were with Takano's villainy. I more or less forgot about the fact that she obviously had something to do with Tomitake's death, right up until the full reveal. Her faking her own death really threw me off the sccent!
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congratulations on finishing chapter 8, you've now unlocked the ability to watch every higurashi video essay from this channel
(i'll post this one about higu adaptations since you were asking about the 2006 anime, but all of them are worth your time) https://youtu.be/ng2BRcDLB3E
congratulations on finishing chapter 8, you've now unlocked the ability to watch every higurashi video essay from this channel
(i'll post this one about higu adaptations since you were asking about the 2006 anime, but all of them are worth your time) https://youtu.be/ng2BRcDLB3E
Thank you! I'd had my eye on one of her videos a while (the Shion one), being able to watch stuff without fear of spoilers was one of the motivators that helped my power through the slower parts of Matsuribayashi!
I'd definitely like to read the manga at some point, and that look at the art has definitely made me want it more! I can't really justify buying the whole physical set, but maybe I'll look into bookwalker...
Watched the first couple of episodes of I'm a Spider, So What? and there is a lot of screaming.
A lot.
It'll be interesting to see where it goes, because it's already shown that it wasn't just the spider, but her entire class (and teacher) that made the trip and reincarnated into different people/creatures. None of them seemed to know each other from the get-go either, so they've all had to figure out what's going on and then if anyone they know got transported too. And we've crossed into "people in an isekai know they're in an isekai" territory with this one, as well as the standard RPG mechanics for the world.
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The manga is a really fun no thinking romp that somehow remains interesting.
I will watch when it's finished for sure.
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You know, when you think about it, there's really a sort of weird irony in having Aya Hirano, who is really a very good singer, voice your character, and then have her make sure to do a great impression of someone singing terribly.
Gurren Lagann ep 4 is weird. From what I understand, they had decided in advance to give that episode to a guest director they were friends with, who has a very, uh, quirky and distinctive style that is somewhat of an acquired taste.
There was a huge fan backlash at the time and it's kinda hard to find concrete information about the fallout, but from what I can tell it was always just meant to be a one off experimental episode.
I believe most of the episodes' animations were done by different animation directors and teams, it's just that one particular director is zanier than most. There are a few directors who did multiple episodes but Gurren Lagann had a lot of directors by design. It was kind of Gainax's calling card and their best trait: they liked handing the reins off to lots of different people even within a single series. Sometimes they even let total newbies do it which is wild and was certainly a good way to get the Talent practical experience.
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You know, when you think about it, there's really a sort of weird irony in having Aya Hirano, who is really a very good singer, voice your character, and then have her make sure to do a great impression of someone singing terribly.
not just irony, that's real talent. being intentionally bad like that, with great comic timing and in character is just a demonstration of her impressive vocal capabilities. okay, it's also definitely intentionally ironic; I mean with all the Haruhi references it's clear that the metahumor is something KyoAni were well aware of but it's a perfect multi-layered gag.
"Grip 'em up, grip 'em, grip 'em good, said the Gryphon... to the pig."
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AoT here to remind you war is hell
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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The moment they first showed some scouts zipping through the background with omni-gear I thought "oh, the Marleyans are not ready for what's about to happen"
I really appreciated Jaw's fearful bafflement that normal people were coming to fight him as a titan. Yeah dog, they've been fighting titans their whole life...
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AoT definitely improves a lot with the anime adaptation, I must say.
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nah I watched it in the 90s, I'm just being suddenly reminded how dumb and amazing it can be
It reminds me of when KyoAni tried to kill Lucky Star off despite the desperately hungry audience for the material with some of the worst direction for a slice of life show I'd ever seen for the first 5 or 6 episodes. Finally, they switched directors and it became a widely beloved mega hit and that director gave interviews like, "No, it is the children who are wrong."
Okay, here's my take regarding that:
Bringing in a guest director is fine, but don't do it in the early stage of your show.
You need to wait before doing that.
Directors are fucking weird man
KyoAni didn't try to kill Lucky Star off. The original director was bad and got fired and replaced after 4 episodes. He also some really shitty views so they probably dodged a bullet.
Huh. I tried that show a couple of years back, but it didn't grab me at all - 'twas decent enough, but ~ehhh. Didn't really understand why it was so well regarded, either, but figured it was a case of "just not for me", so I dropped it pretty quickly. But if you're telling me it gets a whole lot better a few episodes in, I may have to give it another try.
I was being dramatic. Obviously, they wanted the show to succeed but that director (imo) sucked real bad and was ruining the entire enterprise.
I think I'll continue watching just to keep arguing with the FeMC. Some people are born to be unhappy, dammit!
Random meetings of chance don't drop strangers into people's lives who make it their mission to "fix" another person, but that's fiction for you: the place where Narrative Causality is a thing and happy endings really exist.
Lucky Star was very much a product of its time. I'm not really sure it'll hold up anymore today.
To be fair, so am I.
While the director is certainly a huge asshole and massive piece of arrogant shit who burned all his goodwill, people were definitely huge fans of it right from the get go. I distinctly remember huge flamewars particularly between people who thought the long segment on chocolate cornets was the best thing ever and people who thought it was boring crap. KyoAni has always had and cultivated a pretty rabid fanbase.
The second episode didn't have as awful a speech as the "everybody is born the same, there's no such thing as privilege", but it did have a moment where the popular jock guy was being an ass, so the girl calls him a loser, and the entire class breaks out in applause. It was like someone animated one of those bad Twitter stories. The rest of the episode was "Check out this harem! You thought he was reviled, but he's actually beloved by all the popular girls!" So...
Just the opening dance/song I think has stood the ages
It's no Galaxy Angel.
I figured it was just another one and ignored it.
Also, Lucky Star had its moments.
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It was certainly a journey, but I'll be honest - this chapter was not my favourite by a long shot. Which is a shame since it's the finale! There were amazing moments in there, some great payoffs, and it wrapped things up in a more-or-less satisfying way... but as an overall reading experience, it was an active drag for wayyyyy too much of the time.
[Full Higurashi spoilers]
- The prologue, and more broadly, Takano. It was nice to see her humanised a lot more, but I think overall I just don't find her to be a compelling antagonist. That's probably part of what made the prologue a complete slog. I was so happy to be out of it - I feel like it could have been a quarter of the length and effectively communicated all of the necessary beats. But unfortunately, that brings me to...
- Piecing together the timeline. After the low of the prologue, I was so excited to be introduced to this idea of putting together the perfect timeline! But the execution... *sigh*... it wasn't long before I was feeling the boredom here too. I think the main problem is that there weren't a lot of actual reveals? I can only think of one or two important things I learned from this segment, and there are just SO MANY fragments to go through. The order that I could access the fragments in also seemed sort of broken? Like at one point I was pretty much at a brick wall until I randomly clicked on one that required Rena to be "forgiven" or something, and it worked - in spite of me doing literally no Rena fragments.
- Irie's "awesome" moment... jojo pose aside. Everyone else hit the mark when it was their chance to shine, and Irie's moment is just the worst part of his character dialed up to 13. No thanks.
The okay
- The epilogue. So short! I was so happy that everyone made it through, but I was a little bummed that we learned so little of where they went from there. I mean, take some of the fat out of the prologue and give me alllll the fat on the epilogue, please and thank you.
- In a story about trusting and confiding in the people close to you, it's a LITTLE undercut that Rika never really did tell the gang the full truth. She feels so alone because only her and Hanyuu know about the time loop... and then she just... never tells them. Even after they've bought into the massive conspiracy narrative that turned out to be true. I feel like either this or them more explicitly coming to remember their past lives, and learning from them, would have been so much more emotionally satisfying. I mean, it's the best part of Keiichi's arc in Tsumihoroboshi!
- Hanyuu. Her growth was great, and she was believable as a rallying influence... but there being no attempt at an explanation for why she was able to manifest a body, and the fact that she's able to do supernatural stuff with nobody really questioning it? It feels a bit... convenient. Almost lazy.
The great:
- Pretty much everything past the agonising setup. Special shoutouts to Akasaka's van punch, Ooishi taking out Ootaka, and Shotgun Kasai! Oh and, of course, the kids taking out a whole secret army unit with guerilla warfare.
Chapter rankings:
1: Minagoroshi
2: Tsumihoroboshi
3: Watanagashi
4: Onikakushi
5: Matsuribayashi
6: Meakashi
7: Himatsubushi
8: Tatarigoroshi
And the final ranking of the gang:
2: Mion
3: Keiichi
4: Rika
5: Hanyuu
6: Satoko
7: Shion
Thinking about it, I just have one big remaining question mark:
[Full Higurashi spoilers]
Also... in the intervening time I miiiight have fully caught up on Higurashi Gou. But that's a separate discussion, especially the most recent episode...
Not from chapter 8 but my dark horse favorite moment was
Yuuuup!
Regarding the dark horse moment:
(i'll post this one about higu adaptations since you were asking about the 2006 anime, but all of them are worth your time)
So, I think I can stick a pin in this franchise and call myself finished with it.
Thank you! I'd had my eye on one of her videos a while (the Shion one), being able to watch stuff without fear of spoilers was one of the motivators that helped my power through the slower parts of Matsuribayashi!
I'd definitely like to read the manga at some point, and that look at the art has definitely made me want it more! I can't really justify buying the whole physical set, but maybe I'll look into bookwalker...
A lot.
It'll be interesting to see where it goes, because it's already shown that it wasn't just the spider, but her entire class (and teacher) that made the trip and reincarnated into different people/creatures. None of them seemed to know each other from the get-go either, so they've all had to figure out what's going on and then if anyone they know got transported too. And we've crossed into "people in an isekai know they're in an isekai" territory with this one, as well as the standard RPG mechanics for the world.
I will watch when it's finished for sure.
Also I wasnt really into the first episode.
You know, when you think about it, there's really a sort of weird irony in having Aya Hirano, who is really a very good singer, voice your character, and then have her make sure to do a great impression of someone singing terribly.
I believe most of the episodes' animations were done by different animation directors and teams, it's just that one particular director is zanier than most. There are a few directors who did multiple episodes but Gurren Lagann had a lot of directors by design. It was kind of Gainax's calling card and their best trait: they liked handing the reins off to lots of different people even within a single series. Sometimes they even let total newbies do it which is wild and was certainly a good way to get the Talent practical experience.
not just irony, that's real talent. being intentionally bad like that, with great comic timing and in character is just a demonstration of her impressive vocal capabilities. okay, it's also definitely intentionally ironic; I mean with all the Haruhi references it's clear that the metahumor is something KyoAni were well aware of but it's a perfect multi-layered gag.
That episode was insanity.
I really appreciated Jaw's fearful bafflement that normal people were coming to fight him as a titan. Yeah dog, they've been fighting titans their whole life...
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