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[2020 ELECTION] Trump Running Out Of Days To Finally Become President

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Disrupter wrote: »
    Trump seems to be heading into home stretch by... picking a fight with Fauci

    God he better not win

    pretty sure Fauci polls higher than Trump

    Fauci polls higher than Biden. Maybe higher than Obama, for that matter.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Apparently the new local tactic is signs saying "Unborn babies for Trump", complete with pictures of babies in case you forgot what one looked like.

    Continuing their "shove as many suburban moms away as possible" tactic I see

    It's a bold move, let's see if it pays off

    Unfortunately it will play very well here. I know a lot of local women that are fully on board. Its very disheartening.

    fmf3lbsyf466.jpg

    Any chance this helps?

    A lot of people care more about it being illegal than being rare, so probably not.

    But it's still a really good chart!

    I mean, yeah, but there are others who can be pried away with this where abortion isn't just a shibboleth. But then I'm catholic so social teachings and the death penalty make it easier to wedge into the issue.

  • TuminTumin Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    I think the chart is probably really good for convincing low information young voters that Republicans are bad at lowering abortion rates without debating ethics or morality or even policy.

    Tumin on
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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Apparently the new local tactic is signs saying "Unborn babies for Trump", complete with pictures of babies in case you forgot what one looked like.

    Continuing their "shove as many suburban moms away as possible" tactic I see

    It's a bold move, let's see if it pays off

    Unfortunately it will play very well here. I know a lot of local women that are fully on board. Its very disheartening.

    fmf3lbsyf466.jpg

    Any chance this helps?

    A lot of people care more about it being illegal than being rare, so probably not.

    But it's still a really good chart!

    I mean, yeah, but there are others who can be pried away with this where abortion isn't just a shibboleth. But then I'm catholic so social teachings and the death penalty make it easier to wedge into the issue.

    I feel like for a lot of people, abortion is a stand-in for "teenagers having sex." The things that Dems do that make abortion go down are things like make birth control easier to obtain, and promote sex ed. So yes, there are fewer abortions, but there is much more SINNING and BAD BEHAVIOR.

    I have no data backing this up though. Just my own thoughts on why this doesn't resonate.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Apparently the new local tactic is signs saying "Unborn babies for Trump", complete with pictures of babies in case you forgot what one looked like.

    Continuing their "shove as many suburban moms away as possible" tactic I see

    It's a bold move, let's see if it pays off

    Unfortunately it will play very well here. I know a lot of local women that are fully on board. Its very disheartening.

    fmf3lbsyf466.jpg

    Any chance this helps?

    A lot of people care more about it being illegal than being rare, so probably not.

    But it's still a really good chart!

    I mean, yeah, but there are others who can be pried away with this where abortion isn't just a shibboleth. But then I'm catholic so social teachings and the death penalty make it easier to wedge into the issue.

    I feel like for a lot of people, abortion is a stand-in for "teenagers having sex." The things that Dems do that make abortion go down are things like make birth control easier to obtain, and promote sex ed. So yes, there are fewer abortions, but there is much more SINNING and BAD BEHAVIOR.

    I have no data backing this up though. Just my own thoughts on why this doesn't resonate.

    There's even data to show there's less of that - that kids with good sex education lose their virginity later on average, average fewer lovers in their lifetime (and yet are more satisfied - sex isn't an eternal source of stressors like shame, lies, or pregnancy scares), and have lower rates of STDs and pregnancy.

    It turns out that demystifying the sacred secrets of the marriage bed and making sex a matter of clinically biological responsibility you learn in the same class as flossing takes a lot of wind out of teenagers' horny sails and leads to wiser behavior all around.

    Also less sexual abuse and assault, less divorce, less poor sex and relationship related decisions all around, because sex makes teenagers stupid and if they're at least smart about sex they can keep a few brain cells turned on when all the blood flow redirects.

    Hevach on
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    NYT/Siena has a consistent thing where there are lots (I mean, 10-12% but still) of undecided nonwhite voters.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • Edith_Bagot-DixEdith_Bagot-Dix Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Apparently the new local tactic is signs saying "Unborn babies for Trump", complete with pictures of babies in case you forgot what one looked like.

    Continuing their "shove as many suburban moms away as possible" tactic I see

    It's a bold move, let's see if it pays off

    Unfortunately it will play very well here. I know a lot of local women that are fully on board. Its very disheartening.

    fmf3lbsyf466.jpg

    Any chance this helps?

    A lot of people care more about it being illegal than being rare, so probably not.

    But it's still a really good chart!

    I mean, yeah, but there are others who can be pried away with this where abortion isn't just a shibboleth. But then I'm catholic so social teachings and the death penalty make it easier to wedge into the issue.

    I feel like for a lot of people, abortion is a stand-in for "teenagers having sex." The things that Dems do that make abortion go down are things like make birth control easier to obtain, and promote sex ed. So yes, there are fewer abortions, but there is much more SINNING and BAD BEHAVIOR.

    I have no data backing this up though. Just my own thoughts on why this doesn't resonate.

    I think this is much closer to the truth. There is some fraction of the conservative movement that is driven by genuine ethical concerns but the majority seem to be still living out some sort of 1980s suburban morality play (as can also be seen by Trump's own comments about the suburbs). Unlike the much healthier expression in teen gore flicks from the time period in question, conservatives in 2020 have found their avenger in the person of malformed brute, fueled by rage and unprocessed parental sentiment. This grotesque mockery of a human being then metaphorically sacrifices the denizens of Camp Crystal Lake in a futile effort to gain revenge for perceived past wrongs, only using Twitter and rallies instead if a machete or axe. Our task this year is simply to ensure that there isn't a sequel.



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  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    NYT/Siena has a consistent thing where there are lots (I mean, 10-12% but still) of undecided nonwhite voters.

    Yeah, that's not good if true. Just one polling outfit though, so I'm trying not to read too much into it.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Apparently the new local tactic is signs saying "Unborn babies for Trump", complete with pictures of babies in case you forgot what one looked like.

    Continuing their "shove as many suburban moms away as possible" tactic I see

    It's a bold move, let's see if it pays off

    Unfortunately it will play very well here. I know a lot of local women that are fully on board. Its very disheartening.

    fmf3lbsyf466.jpg

    Any chance this helps?

    A lot of people care more about it being illegal than being rare, so probably not.

    But it's still a really good chart!

    I mean, yeah, but there are others who can be pried away with this where abortion isn't just a shibboleth. But then I'm catholic so social teachings and the death penalty make it easier to wedge into the issue.

    I feel like for a lot of people, abortion is a stand-in for "teenagers having sex." The things that Dems do that make abortion go down are things like make birth control easier to obtain, and promote sex ed. So yes, there are fewer abortions, but there is much more SINNING and BAD BEHAVIOR.

    I have no data backing this up though. Just my own thoughts on why this doesn't resonate.

    It's also about a bunch of minority stereotypes.

  • painfulPleasancepainfulPleasance The First RepublicRegistered User regular
    You can't understate the role of gross-out shit in fomenting hate. They're trying to create visceral disgust and anchor it to their prejudices.

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/several-lawmakers-denied-access-to-postal-facilities-11603208771
    Efforts by some members of Congress to observe firsthand how mail is being processed at large facilities in the final weeks of the election have been blocked—a policy departure by the U.S. Postal Service for visits that were once routinely approved, the lawmakers said.

    It’s unclear how many lawmakers have sought access to postal plants, but at least five, all Democrats, said they’d received inconsistent explanations for the denials.
    Prepare for a Trump "win"

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  • SmurphSmurph Registered User regular
    Jones v Tuberville-

    I live in Mobile county, suburban outskirts of the city. Over the past month I've traveled frequently into the country and into midtown.

    I have seen some Trump signs. I have seen a few Biden signs.

    I have seen quite a few Doug Jones signs.

    I have seen zero Tuberville signs.

    Tuberville is a strange candidate. He's a football enemy of the Roll Tide segment and a failure / betrayer of the War Eagle segment. There will be a lot of held-noses voting for him, just like with Moore, and yes I'm extremely aware of how utterly disgraceful that is.

    That means, like with that race, it'll come down to turnout. Hardcore voters showed up, but the more moderate conservatives stayed home, and liberal voters (especially Black voters) turned out like crazy.

    Trump has a frothing fanbase in this state, but he's turned off a lot of people, too. I honestly have absolutely no idea at the state of things. But it looks like Jones has a glimmer of a chance.

    This reminds me of what Trump did in South Carolina's 1st district in 2019. Mark Sanford was a Republican Trump critic, so Trump did not endorse him in the primary, endorsed his opponent, and Sanford lost. Sanford's primary opponent was just an unhinged Trump supporter who made her whole campaign about Trump and basically nothing else. She lost, the district flipped blue.

    Trump's list of enemies within his own party has grown longer and longer, and the pool of supporters qualified to run for office has gotten shallower, so his hand picked challenger candidates are these "They're running who?" people who's only qualifications are their loyalty to Trump.

  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited October 2020
    I know I'm a few days late to the party on this one, but what's all this I'm reading about a falconer? Lol

    milk ducks on
  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    The whole loyalty thing from Trump, also starts to cause issues for the remaining republicans as well. As you get more and more unhinged ones because he drives people out of office. You start getting cases where people start to note that and begin to question the merits of all republicans because so many of them are crazy and no one in the party is willing to call them out. So it begs the question of, how shitty are all republicans?

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    Jones v Tuberville-

    I live in Mobile county, suburban outskirts of the city. Over the past month I've traveled frequently into the country and into midtown.

    I have seen some Trump signs. I have seen a few Biden signs.

    I have seen quite a few Doug Jones signs.

    I have seen zero Tuberville signs.

    Tuberville is a strange candidate. He's a football enemy of the Roll Tide segment and a failure / betrayer of the War Eagle segment. There will be a lot of held-noses voting for him, just like with Moore, and yes I'm extremely aware of how utterly disgraceful that is.

    That means, like with that race, it'll come down to turnout. Hardcore voters showed up, but the more moderate conservatives stayed home, and liberal voters (especially Black voters) turned out like crazy.

    Trump has a frothing fanbase in this state, but he's turned off a lot of people, too. I honestly have absolutely no idea at the state of things. But it looks like Jones has a glimmer of a chance.

    Trump being such a sure thing in the state probably hurts Tuberville because he's the guy you have to bother to go vote for, not Trump.

    Alabama is one of six states that has straight-ticket voting. I expect Tuberville to get more out of that than he loses from Trump voters

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    OremLK wrote: »
    NYT/Siena has a consistent thing where there are lots (I mean, 10-12% but still) of undecided nonwhite voters.

    Yeah, that's not good if true. Just one polling outfit though, so I'm trying not to read too much into it.

    Or if you assume undecideds generally go with the rest of their demographic cohort it would be a source of routine undercount of the Democratic vote.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Mill wrote: »
    The whole loyalty thing from Trump, also starts to cause issues for the remaining republicans as well. As you get more and more unhinged ones because he drives people out of office. You start getting cases where people start to note that and begin to question the merits of all republicans because so many of them are crazy and no one in the party is willing to call them out. So it begs the question of, how shitty are all republicans?

    So hippos do this thing called "muck spreading" where they swing their tail quickly back and forth to shred their shit as it comes out of their ass and send it flying everywhere. All republicans are at least that shitty. In fact, I think it's time for the elephant to retire, and the muck-spreading hippo take it's rightful place as icon of the republican party.

    AbsoluteZero on
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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Just enjoyed the dumbest opinion piece on the WashPo about Cory Gardner. True Gardner did win in 2014, an super low turnout year but he isn't well liked unlike the guy said. The writer works for the Colorado Sun, an interesting newspaper being funded by some tech bros but does only local in depth reporting built out of former Denver Post and Rocky Mountain News reporters. And if I remember the name was always a conservative writer. But the best part was putting Gardner losing squarely on Trump not the fact his opponent is a popular 2 term governor who did a lot for rural and urban Colorado. In a state that has shifted blue even from 2014. And that has a shift in demographics across major voting areas. Nope, Trump is the only reason for Gardner to win.

    I was giggling.

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    I'd say turn the messaging on its head and start calling them swamp gators.

    Meanwhile, Missouri won't let me vote early because I have no good reason besides the global pandemic. Also, my polling place is a church down the street. Fantastic.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Apparently the new local tactic is signs saying "Unborn babies for Trump", complete with pictures of babies in case you forgot what one looked like.

    Continuing their "shove as many suburban moms away as possible" tactic I see

    It's a bold move, let's see if it pays off

    Unfortunately it will play very well here. I know a lot of local women that are fully on board. Its very disheartening.

    fmf3lbsyf466.jpg

    Any chance this helps?

    A lot of people care more about it being illegal than being rare, so probably not.

    But it's still a really good chart!

    I mean, yeah, but there are others who can be pried away with this where abortion isn't just a shibboleth. But then I'm catholic so social teachings and the death penalty make it easier to wedge into the issue.

    I feel like for a lot of people, abortion is a stand-in for "teenagers having sex." The things that Dems do that make abortion go down are things like make birth control easier to obtain, and promote sex ed. So yes, there are fewer abortions, but there is much more SINNING and BAD BEHAVIOR.

    I have no data backing this up though. Just my own thoughts on why this doesn't resonate.

    There's even data to show there's less of that - that kids with good sex education lose their virginity later on average, average fewer lovers in their lifetime (and yet are more satisfied - sex isn't an eternal source of stressors like shame, lies, or pregnancy scares), and have lower rates of STDs and pregnancy.

    It turns out that demystifying the sacred secrets of the marriage bed and making sex a matter of clinically biological responsibility you learn in the same class as flossing takes a lot of wind out of teenagers' horny sails and leads to wiser behavior all around.

    Also less sexual abuse and assault, less divorce, less poor sex and relationship related decisions all around, because sex makes teenagers stupid and if they're at least smart about sex they can keep a few brain cells turned on when all the blood flow redirects.

    Is that controlled for economic factors?

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Apparently the new local tactic is signs saying "Unborn babies for Trump", complete with pictures of babies in case you forgot what one looked like.

    Continuing their "shove as many suburban moms away as possible" tactic I see

    It's a bold move, let's see if it pays off

    Unfortunately it will play very well here. I know a lot of local women that are fully on board. Its very disheartening.

    fmf3lbsyf466.jpg

    Any chance this helps?

    A lot of people care more about it being illegal than being rare, so probably not.

    But it's still a really good chart!

    I mean, yeah, but there are others who can be pried away with this where abortion isn't just a shibboleth. But then I'm catholic so social teachings and the death penalty make it easier to wedge into the issue.

    I feel like for a lot of people, abortion is a stand-in for "teenagers having sex." The things that Dems do that make abortion go down are things like make birth control easier to obtain, and promote sex ed. So yes, there are fewer abortions, but there is much more SINNING and BAD BEHAVIOR.

    I have no data backing this up though. Just my own thoughts on why this doesn't resonate.

    There's even data to show there's less of that - that kids with good sex education lose their virginity later on average, average fewer lovers in their lifetime (and yet are more satisfied - sex isn't an eternal source of stressors like shame, lies, or pregnancy scares), and have lower rates of STDs and pregnancy.

    It turns out that demystifying the sacred secrets of the marriage bed and making sex a matter of clinically biological responsibility you learn in the same class as flossing takes a lot of wind out of teenagers' horny sails and leads to wiser behavior all around.

    Also less sexual abuse and assault, less divorce, less poor sex and relationship related decisions all around, because sex makes teenagers stupid and if they're at least smart about sex they can keep a few brain cells turned on when all the blood flow redirects.

    Is that controlled for economic factors?

    Since the high school graduation rate is ~88% it's basically universal for kids today. It's the decline in lead poisoning. Kids today are just inherently different from kids we grew up with, or who preceded us.

  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Apparently the new local tactic is signs saying "Unborn babies for Trump", complete with pictures of babies in case you forgot what one looked like.

    Continuing their "shove as many suburban moms away as possible" tactic I see

    It's a bold move, let's see if it pays off

    Unfortunately it will play very well here. I know a lot of local women that are fully on board. Its very disheartening.

    fmf3lbsyf466.jpg

    Any chance this helps?

    A lot of people care more about it being illegal than being rare, so probably not.

    But it's still a really good chart!

    I'm very skeptical of this chart! Both the availability of abortion services and sexual health services are substantially under the control of states, not the president. And looking into it a little, that chart is based on CDC reporting data that doesn't represent a constant selection of areas over time, making straightforward comparisons impossible (e.g. California used to report, but stopped in 1998 and hasn't resumed since--the rate in that line isn't national and it isn't the same part of the nation year to year).

    There is some argument that the most recent decline does represent better sexual health services rather than reduced access to abortion, namely, that births haven't gone up, which you might expect if it really were abortion deterrence--and there were no other relevant trends. This would make sense if we're seeing the ACA's effect in terms of expanded mandates for contraceptive and sexual health coverage and the Medicaid expansion in states that had it. But even this is an inference. And Clinton had a variety of pro-choice policies, e.g. ending the global gag rule, but I'm not sure which of those is supposed to plausibly account for a 1/3rd drop in abortion rates?

    idk, I think that better access to health reduces abortions, but this chart is strikes me as very much a political graphic going viral on facebook

  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Pro-choice policies reduce abortions because they reduce unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

    Meanwhile the GOP flogs things like abstinence only education which is actually worse than doing nothing.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Apparently the new local tactic is signs saying "Unborn babies for Trump", complete with pictures of babies in case you forgot what one looked like.

    Continuing their "shove as many suburban moms away as possible" tactic I see

    It's a bold move, let's see if it pays off

    Unfortunately it will play very well here. I know a lot of local women that are fully on board. Its very disheartening.

    fmf3lbsyf466.jpg

    Any chance this helps?

    A lot of people care more about it being illegal than being rare, so probably not.

    But it's still a really good chart!

    I mean, yeah, but there are others who can be pried away with this where abortion isn't just a shibboleth. But then I'm catholic so social teachings and the death penalty make it easier to wedge into the issue.

    I feel like for a lot of people, abortion is a stand-in for "teenagers having sex." The things that Dems do that make abortion go down are things like make birth control easier to obtain, and promote sex ed. So yes, there are fewer abortions, but there is much more SINNING and BAD BEHAVIOR.

    I have no data backing this up though. Just my own thoughts on why this doesn't resonate.

    There's even data to show there's less of that - that kids with good sex education lose their virginity later on average, average fewer lovers in their lifetime (and yet are more satisfied - sex isn't an eternal source of stressors like shame, lies, or pregnancy scares), and have lower rates of STDs and pregnancy.

    It turns out that demystifying the sacred secrets of the marriage bed and making sex a matter of clinically biological responsibility you learn in the same class as flossing takes a lot of wind out of teenagers' horny sails and leads to wiser behavior all around.

    Also less sexual abuse and assault, less divorce, less poor sex and relationship related decisions all around, because sex makes teenagers stupid and if they're at least smart about sex they can keep a few brain cells turned on when all the blood flow redirects.

    Is that controlled for economic factors?

    Since the high school graduation rate is ~88% it's basically universal for kids today. It's the decline in lead poisoning. Kids today are just inherently different from kids we grew up with, or who preceded us.

    I don't understand how that squares with the question. How are these comparisons being done? Is it not geographic? Cause if it's geographic the question is whether the results have been controlled for various factors (economic mostly obviously imo) that would also influence these numbers.

  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    shryke wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Apparently the new local tactic is signs saying "Unborn babies for Trump", complete with pictures of babies in case you forgot what one looked like.

    Continuing their "shove as many suburban moms away as possible" tactic I see

    It's a bold move, let's see if it pays off

    Unfortunately it will play very well here. I know a lot of local women that are fully on board. Its very disheartening.

    fmf3lbsyf466.jpg

    Any chance this helps?

    A lot of people care more about it being illegal than being rare, so probably not.

    But it's still a really good chart!

    I mean, yeah, but there are others who can be pried away with this where abortion isn't just a shibboleth. But then I'm catholic so social teachings and the death penalty make it easier to wedge into the issue.

    I feel like for a lot of people, abortion is a stand-in for "teenagers having sex." The things that Dems do that make abortion go down are things like make birth control easier to obtain, and promote sex ed. So yes, there are fewer abortions, but there is much more SINNING and BAD BEHAVIOR.

    I have no data backing this up though. Just my own thoughts on why this doesn't resonate.

    There's even data to show there's less of that - that kids with good sex education lose their virginity later on average, average fewer lovers in their lifetime (and yet are more satisfied - sex isn't an eternal source of stressors like shame, lies, or pregnancy scares), and have lower rates of STDs and pregnancy.

    It turns out that demystifying the sacred secrets of the marriage bed and making sex a matter of clinically biological responsibility you learn in the same class as flossing takes a lot of wind out of teenagers' horny sails and leads to wiser behavior all around.

    Also less sexual abuse and assault, less divorce, less poor sex and relationship related decisions all around, because sex makes teenagers stupid and if they're at least smart about sex they can keep a few brain cells turned on when all the blood flow redirects.

    Is that controlled for economic factors?

    Since the high school graduation rate is ~88% it's basically universal for kids today. It's the decline in lead poisoning. Kids today are just inherently different from kids we grew up with, or who preceded us.

    I don't understand how that squares with the question. How are these comparisons being done? Is it not geographic? Cause if it's geographic the question is whether the results have been controlled for various factors (economic mostly obviously imo) that would also influence these numbers.

    They haven't been controlled for anything. Those are based on numbers reported to CDC, which are derived from voluntary state reporting: most states report but it varies from year to year (so, for instance, in 2016 a combined 14% of the population's data was not reported, largely based on CA having consistently opted out). It's further inference what's driving the changes in the CDC data.

    MrMister on
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    MrMister wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Apparently the new local tactic is signs saying "Unborn babies for Trump", complete with pictures of babies in case you forgot what one looked like.

    Continuing their "shove as many suburban moms away as possible" tactic I see

    It's a bold move, let's see if it pays off

    Unfortunately it will play very well here. I know a lot of local women that are fully on board. Its very disheartening.

    fmf3lbsyf466.jpg

    Any chance this helps?

    A lot of people care more about it being illegal than being rare, so probably not.

    But it's still a really good chart!

    I'm very skeptical of this chart! Both the availability of abortion services and sexual health services are substantially under the control of states, not the president. And looking into it a little, that chart is based on CDC reporting data that doesn't represent a constant selection of areas over time, making straightforward comparisons impossible (e.g. California used to report, but stopped in 1998 and hasn't resumed since--the rate in that line isn't national and it isn't the same part of the nation year to year).

    There is some argument that the most recent decline does represent better sexual health services rather than reduced access to abortion, namely, that births haven't gone up, which you might expect if it really were abortion deterrence--and there were no other relevant trends. This would make sense if we're seeing the ACA's effect in terms of expanded mandates for contraceptive and sexual health coverage and the Medicaid expansion in states that had it. But even this is an inference. And Clinton had a variety of pro-choice policies, e.g. ending the global gag rule, but I'm not sure which of those is supposed to plausibly account for a 1/3rd drop in abortion rates?

    idk, I think that better access to health reduces abortions, but this chart is strikes me as very much a political graphic going viral on facebook

    It visually tracks Guttmacher, so I'm not sure if there is any better data available.

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    The decline in the 90's is almost certainly due to Planned Parenthood v Casey rather than any particular Clinton policies, but not sure how you would tease that out. Regardless, it's more to illustrate a point that Republican President's and policies are not actually reducing the abortion rate, and if you already disagree with them about most other things but can't bring yourself to vote Biden/ Democrat solely because of abortion... maybe reconsider

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    If you or somebody you know is an American living overseas and your were hoping to drop your ballots off at the Embassy/consulate, it is likely too late.

    Diplomatic pouches usually leave with three week layovers, it is too late to serve your ballots back this way. You will likely need to rely on international courier like DHL and others.

    Check with VoteFromAbroad.org for better info. I think I recall seeing a DHL discount code at one point as well, but that was s month or so ago.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    So interesting note: Dave Wasserman four years ago noted a late shift in Congressional level polling towards Trump, especially in white rural/suburban districts. Last two weeks in particular, and it wasn't caught well in the state/national polls for whatever reason.

    This year he's saying there's basically a ten point shift against him in all of those district level polling from how he did in 2016. Which mirrors the national polling. There are two exceptions. He's doing better in heavily Hispanic districts (SW Texas, South Florida especially) and way, way worse in rich suburbs.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    So interesting note: Dave Wasserman four years ago noted a late shift in Congressional level polling towards Trump, especially in white rural/suburban districts. Last two weeks in particular, and it wasn't caught well in the state/national polls for whatever reason.

    This year he's saying there's basically a ten point shift against him in all of those district level polling from how he did in 2016. Which mirrors the national polling. There are two exceptions. He's doing better in heavily Hispanic districts (SW Texas, South Florida especially) and way, way worse in rich suburbs.

    I guess that's good since I don't think Biden would win florida or texas anyway

  • DisrupterDisrupter Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Disrupter was warned for this.
    Man the one thing that might make me a bit racist is watching minorities vote for someone who is this blatantly racist

    Like.. it’s hard not to be angry at a group of voters being pulled towards someone who actively wants them purged

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    So interesting note: Dave Wasserman four years ago noted a late shift in Congressional level polling towards Trump, especially in white rural/suburban districts. Last two weeks in particular, and it wasn't caught well in the state/national polls for whatever reason.

    This year he's saying there's basically a ten point shift against him in all of those district level polling from how he did in 2016. Which mirrors the national polling. There are two exceptions. He's doing better in heavily Hispanic districts (SW Texas, South Florida especially) and way, way worse in rich suburbs.

    I guess that's good since I don't think Biden would win florida or texas anyway

    Texas cities have a lot of wealthy suburbs.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    So interesting note: Dave Wasserman four years ago noted a late shift in Congressional level polling towards Trump, especially in white rural/suburban districts. Last two weeks in particular, and it wasn't caught well in the state/national polls for whatever reason.

    This year he's saying there's basically a ten point shift against him in all of those district level polling from how he did in 2016. Which mirrors the national polling. There are two exceptions. He's doing better in heavily Hispanic districts (SW Texas, South Florida especially) and way, way worse in rich suburbs.

    Seems to continue the trend of Biden's strength being a lot more among white voters, especially better educated and wealthier white voters.

  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    So interesting note: Dave Wasserman four years ago noted a late shift in Congressional level polling towards Trump, especially in white rural/suburban districts. Last two weeks in particular, and it wasn't caught well in the state/national polls for whatever reason.

    This year he's saying there's basically a ten point shift against him in all of those district level polling from how he did in 2016. Which mirrors the national polling. There are two exceptions. He's doing better in heavily Hispanic districts (SW Texas, South Florida especially) and way, way worse in rich suburbs.

    I guess that's good since I don't think Biden would win florida or texas anyway

    Texas cities have a lot of wealthy suburbs.

    but they're not densely populated

    (assuming they're anything like maryland/virginia wealthy suburbs)

  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    Disrupter wrote: »
    Man the one thing that might make me a bit racist is watching minorities vote for someone who is this blatantly racist

    Like.. it’s hard not to be angry at a group of voters being pulled towards someone who actively wants them purged

    What a disgraceful post

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  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    So interesting note: Dave Wasserman four years ago noted a late shift in Congressional level polling towards Trump, especially in white rural/suburban districts. Last two weeks in particular, and it wasn't caught well in the state/national polls for whatever reason.

    This year he's saying there's basically a ten point shift against him in all of those district level polling from how he did in 2016. Which mirrors the national polling. There are two exceptions. He's doing better in heavily Hispanic districts (SW Texas, South Florida especially) and way, way worse in rich suburbs.

    Seems to continue the trend of Biden's strength being a lot more among white voters, especially better educated and wealthier white voters.

    Those might be some of the most Latino districts in the country but they're also distinctly Cuban and long ago immigrated Mexican and the exact type of Latino that's open to brutalizing people at the border (keeping out the wrong latinos) or has been in the tank for the GOP since the Bay of Pigs.

    These districts are very different from most of the Latino communities you see in places like Colorado or the Northeast. Well except for the Cubans, that's basically the same everywhere minus an ongoing generational split.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Pro-choice policies reduce abortions because they reduce unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

    Meanwhile the GOP flogs things like abstinence only education which is actually worse than doing nothing.

    Also, better access to healthcare makes pregnancy less scary and reduces the chances of complications.

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  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Don't want to jinx anything but I have a good feeling about Texas this time around. The voter registrations, the early turnout, it's all been insane. John Cornyn is running like he's scared, and he's your basic stock Republican who should be doing better than Trump state-wide. The state has added something like a million new residents since 2016 and a vast majority of those are going to be anti-Trump voters coming into the big cities.

    That won't make us a blue state, we're still far more conservative than the country as a whole. But I believe if this is the wave election it's looking to be, we could flip.

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  • ChiselphaneChiselphane Registered User regular
    Whelk wrote: »
    I'd say turn the messaging on its head and start calling them swamp gators.

    Meanwhile, Missouri won't let me vote early because I have no good reason besides the global pandemic. Also, my polling place is a church down the street. Fantastic.

    Mine is in a church too, in the basement at least. Wouldn't really put it past at least o e to just kind of move the pews aside etc

  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    Disrupter wrote: »
    Man the one thing that might make me a bit racist is watching minorities vote for someone who is this blatantly racist

    Like.. it’s hard not to be angry at a group of voters being pulled towards someone who actively wants them purged

    You should definitely be ashamed of this post!

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