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[2020 ELECTION] Trump Running Out Of Days To Finally Become President

BogartBogart Streetwise HerculesRegistered User, Moderator mod
edited October 2020 in Debate and/or Discourse
OP copied from the last one, including this sentence.

This here is your official thread for discussing the great basket of wonder and joy that is the upcoming 2020 election.

What You Can Talk About:

- Any national or local 2020 US election.
- The impact of the conventions that just happened.
- The policy platforms of candidates AS THEY PERTAIN TO THE ELECTIONS. "Biden plans to roll out a public option" is okay. "A public option is awesome because of X,Y, and Z" is not.
- Polls related to the election.
- Voting outreach efforts
- Other things that directly pertain to the 2020 election and have not been explicitly banned.

What You Can't Talk About:

- The 2020 primaries that have already occurred. Upcoming 2020 primaries, if there are any left, are okay.
- Bernie Sanders
- 20-motherfucking-16
- Hillary Fucking Clinton
- Policy in general. This is not the place to discuss health care or taxes or policing in general. We have threads for all those things! If not, feel free to make one!
- Who you plan to personally vote for. Nothing good has ever come from a conversation in these threads about why you're definitely voting for Biden / voting third party / not voting. Just rest assured that your personal reasons for voting are the best in the whole world and everyone agrees with you and thinks you're smart and good looking. Masterfully done, you.

If you have previously been banned from this thread, you are still banned from this thread, sorry. Rest assured you can participate in discussions when 2024 rolls around, assuming elections are still a thing that exists in that far away time.

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    AbsalonAbsalon Lands of Always WinterRegistered User regular
    North Carolina is still trying to ruin everyone's moods, as ABC/Post has Biden at 47-46 and Cunningham at 49-47. The Democratic party should simply not let men run if they can prevent it.

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    So how about them polls? (Forum bug post, sorry.)

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    Hey guys, posting nothing but "forum bug post" is annoying and I'd be grateful it if people stopped doing it. It truly can't be that difficult to find something to say about this, the election that shits its pants every half hour.

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    valhalla130valhalla130 13 Dark Shield Perceives the GodsRegistered User regular
    Mom and I have now in person early voted! +2 for Biden/Harris!

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    valhalla130valhalla130 13 Dark Shield Perceives the GodsRegistered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Wait, did that violate the rules?

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Reading over that new microphone rule seems like the someone has to activate it? Or is it automatic?

    I don't know how likely it is for some audio tech to mute the sitting president?

    I am in the business of saving lives.
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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Reading over that new microphone rule seems like the someone has to activate it? Or is it automatic?

    I don't know how likely it is for some audio tech to mute the sitting president?

    "Don't threaten me with a good time." -any audio tech

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Looks and sounds weird to see a young Joe, but here's a clip of Biden being so f'n human, it makes even a cynical bastard like me feels.


    "Joe Biden in 1972 at the hospital after losing his wife and daughter in a car accident.

    We can always get another senator, but they can't get another father."

    Leadership..."
    *video of Biden being a real human who recognizes he has two conflicting duties, and knows where his priorities should be*

    While he might not have been my choice for President on policy grounds, anyone who argues he isn't a decent person can fuck right off. Including late 2016-to present Lindsey Graham.

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Anyone muting the president is going to have an extremely uncomfortable life.
    Especially for the next two weeks, but even afterwards it's not something that's going to go away.

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    Anyone muting the president is going to have an extremely uncomfortable life.
    Especially for the next two weeks, but even afterwards it's not something that's going to go away.

    And given what the fuckers like Rand Paul have done with regards trying to expose whisteblowers and the like, I don't like the chances that someone in that job can remain anonymous. Or that others won't get caught up in it, just based off accusations.

    Republicans love them some stochastic terrorism, as long as they know the media won't actually hold them accountable out of fear of being called biased.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    Wait, did that violate the rules?

    Not at all! What I said was to do with people posting "bug post" and nothing else. People voting early and often is a good thing and the thread welcomes it.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Reading over that new microphone rule seems like the someone has to activate it? Or is it automatic?

    I don't know how likely it is for some audio tech to mute the sitting president?

    "Don't threaten me with a good time." -any audio tech

    Given the right wings proclivity for terrorism I'd be scared as hell if I was the guy since undoubtedly someone would leak my address and information.

    I am in the business of saving lives.
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    bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Everytime i see or hear Joe Biden i can't help but think that the death of Beau Biden could not have come at a worse time. I feel he would have beaten Trump in the year that cannot be named.

    He was a great VP but I think he could have been at least a very decent President.

    And maybe America would not have been the fucking bad Joke it is right now. A "joke" because i choose to laugh because I just don't want to cry.

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    valhalla130valhalla130 13 Dark Shield Perceives the GodsRegistered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Bogart wrote: »
    Wait, did that violate the rules?

    Not at all! What I said was to do with people posting "bug post" and nothing else. People voting early and often is a good thing and the thread welcomes it.

    I just wanted to make sure me saying who I voted for wasn't a problem. Thanks

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    DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I don't think they're reactively muting people. When the question starts, they'll mute the other person, by policy.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    The people who rate the races are now giving Greenfield an edge consistently. Moving that race to leans Democratic. Go away, Joni Ernst.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    So current state of the Senate races, I think:

    Dem held seats with vaguely serious challenges:
    Alabama - Leans/Likely R unless we believe Jones internals
    Michigan - Likely D

    GOP held seats:
    Arizona - Likely D
    Colorado - Likely D
    Maine - Leans D
    Iowa - Leans D
    North Carolina - Leans D
    Kansas - Toss up
    Montana - Toss up
    Georgia - Toss up
    Georgia special - Toss up
    South Carolina - Toss up
    Texas - Leans R
    Alaska - Leans R
    Mississippi - Likely R
    Kentucky - Glorious Pipe Dream

    So to me the most likely scenario is something like D+5 or 6.

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    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    Bogart wrote: »
    Wait, did that violate the rules?

    Not at all! What I said was to do with people posting "bug post" and nothing else. People voting early and often is a good thing and the thread welcomes it.

    I just wanted to make sure me saying who I voted for wasn't a problem. Thanks

    Oh I see what you mean. That rule is more about forestalling any repetition of the tedious arguments about who people are going to vote for (or not vote for) and the personal attacks and snide inter-sub-forum sniping that goes with it.

    "Hey, I voted" is totally fine and well done for exercising your democratic mandate in this, the final election before our robot overlords take over and exterminate all sentient life.

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    IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    I haven't missed a presidential debate since Bush v Gore, whether it was to hear any kind of policy discussion or just for the spectacle/theatrics, and now for the first time, I'm not sure I want to watch this Thursday's debate. I'm just so tired, I'm so ready for it to be over.

    I'll probably watch anyway just so I can refute some points when I talk to my in-laws next, but I would love to hit the snooze button on the next two weeks.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    The people who rate the races are now giving Greenfield an edge consistently. Moving that race to leans Democratic. Go away, Joni Ernst.

    Is she a one-term hog-castrater?

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Icemopper wrote: »
    I haven't missed a presidential debate since Bush v Gore, whether it was to hear any kind of policy discussion or just for the spectacle/theatrics, and now for the first time, I'm not sure I want to watch this Thursday's debate. I'm just so tired, I'm so ready for it to be over.

    I'll probably watch anyway just so I can refute some points when I talk to my in-laws next, but I would love to hit the snooze button on the next two weeks.

    I will be in AQ40 or at my school board meeting. I am not watching this nightmare under any circumstances.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    Wait, did that violate the rules?

    Not at all! What I said was to do with people posting "bug post" and nothing else. People voting early and often is a good thing and the thread welcomes it.

    I just wanted to make sure me saying who I voted for wasn't a problem. Thanks

    Oh I see what you mean. That rule is more about forestalling any repetition of the tedious arguments about who people are going to vote for (or not vote for) and the personal attacks and snide inter-sub-forum sniping that goes with it.

    "Hey, I voted" is totally fine and well done for exercising your democratic mandate in this, the final election before our robot overlords take over and exterminate all sentient life.

    Don't threaten me with a good time.

    But seriously, I'm so happy to see so many people doing democracies in here early. I know the next two weeks are going to be hell, and probably the next two months after that too, but as much as I try to tamp it down I'm still feeling a small bit of...hope.

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    SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    So current state of the Senate races, I think:

    Dem held seats with vaguely serious challenges:
    Alabama - Leans/Likely R unless we believe Jones internals
    Michigan - Likely D

    GOP held seats:
    Arizona - Likely D
    Colorado - Likely D
    Maine - Leans D
    Iowa - Leans D
    North Carolina - Leans D
    Kansas - Toss up
    Montana - Toss up
    Georgia - Toss up
    Georgia special - Toss up
    South Carolina - Toss up
    Texas - Leans R
    Alaska - Leans R
    Mississippi - Likely R
    Kentucky - Glorious Pipe Dream

    So to me the most likely scenario is something like D+5 or 6.

    Assuming all the "leans" go that way and we split the toss ups, do we take it?

    Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
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    SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    oh, when I quoted you it grabbed your edit, thank you

    well, here's hoping!

    Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
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    JeedanJeedan Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Reading over that new microphone rule seems like the someone has to activate it? Or is it automatic?

    I don't know how likely it is for some audio tech to mute the sitting president?

    From what I understand the other candidate's mic is muted for the first 2 minutes of every question, after that the screaming can commence.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    So current state of the Senate races, I think:

    Dem held seats with vaguely serious challenges:
    Alabama - Leans/Likely R unless we believe Jones internals
    Michigan - Likely D

    GOP held seats:
    Arizona - Likely D
    Colorado - Likely D
    Maine - Leans D
    Iowa - Leans D
    North Carolina - Leans D
    Kansas - Toss up
    Montana - Toss up
    Georgia - Toss up
    Georgia special - Toss up
    South Carolina - Toss up
    Texas - Leans R
    Alaska - Leans R
    Mississippi - Likely R
    Kentucky - Glorious Pipe Dream

    So to me the most likely scenario is something like D+5 or 6.

    Assuming all the "leans" go that way and we split the toss ups, do we take it?

    Basically. The Georgia special is going to be highly dependent on how the third goes. Like if Trump wins somehow, Collins/Loeffler will cruise, I think.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    BullheadBullhead Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    Hey guys, posting nothing but "forum bug post" is annoying and I'd be grateful it if people stopped doing it. It truly can't be that difficult to find something to say about this, the election that shits its pants every half hour.

    Also for anyone who hasn't tried it, if you read to the end of the thread, THEN bookmark it it seems to work as normal, so you really don't need to shitpost at all.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    So current state of the Senate races, I think:

    Dem held seats with vaguely serious challenges:
    Alabama - Leans/Likely R unless we believe Jones internals
    Michigan - Likely D

    GOP held seats:
    Arizona - Likely D
    Colorado - Likely D
    Maine - Leans D
    Iowa - Leans D
    North Carolina - Leans D
    Kansas - Toss up
    Montana - Toss up
    Georgia - Toss up
    Georgia special - Toss up
    South Carolina - Toss up
    Texas - Leans R
    Alaska - Leans R
    Mississippi - Likely R
    Kentucky - Glorious Pipe Dream

    So to me the most likely scenario is something like D+5 or 6.

    Assuming all the "leans" go that way and we split the toss ups, do we take it?

    Yes, if Biden wins, only 3 of those GOP-held seats need to flip

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    So current state of the Senate races, I think:

    Dem held seats with vaguely serious challenges:
    Alabama - Leans/Likely R unless we believe Jones internals
    Michigan - Likely D

    GOP held seats:
    Arizona - Likely D
    Colorado - Likely D
    Maine - Leans D
    Iowa - Leans D
    North Carolina - Leans D
    Kansas - Toss up
    Montana - Toss up
    Georgia - Toss up
    Georgia special - Toss up
    South Carolina - Toss up
    Texas - Leans R
    Alaska - Leans R
    Mississippi - Likely R
    Kentucky - Glorious Pipe Dream

    So to me the most likely scenario is something like D+5 or 6.

    Assuming all the "leans" go that way and we split the toss ups, do we take it?

    Yes, if Biden wins, only 3 of those GOP-held seats need to flip

    Need +3 net. So probably need 4 unless Alabama voters are as smart as Jones' internals say they are.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Really +3 is the baseline. I really don't want to see a Senate where Sinema and Manchin call all the damn shots

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Really +3 is the baseline. I really don't want to see a Senate where Sinema and Manchin call all the damn shots

    Cunningham or Hickenlooper calling the shots isn't THAT much better. Moderates are going to have the power because of how the Senate works. Obviously better if they're all forced to coordinate.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    So current state of the Senate races, I think:

    Dem held seats with vaguely serious challenges:
    Alabama - Leans/Likely R unless we believe Jones internals
    Michigan - Likely D

    GOP held seats:
    Arizona - Likely D
    Colorado - Likely D
    Maine - Leans D
    Iowa - Leans D
    North Carolina - Leans D
    Kansas - Toss up
    Montana - Toss up
    Georgia - Toss up
    Georgia special - Toss up
    South Carolina - Toss up
    Texas - Leans R
    Alaska - Leans R
    Mississippi - Likely R
    Kentucky - Glorious Pipe Dream

    So to me the most likely scenario is something like D+5 or 6.

    Assuming all the "leans" go that way and we split the toss ups, do we take it?

    Yes, if Biden wins, only 3 of those GOP-held seats need to flip

    Need +3 net. So probably need 4 unless Alabama voters are as smart as Jones' internals say they are.

    I feel pretty comfortable with a prediction that they are not. Alabama is lost, Jones's polls are wrong or juiced to prevent Alabama Dems from giving up and not voting, or just straight up lies.

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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Really +3 is the baseline. I really don't want to see a Senate where Sinema and Manchin call all the damn shots

    Cunningham or Hickenlooper calling the shots isn't THAT much better. Moderates are going to have the power because of how the Senate works. Obviously better if they're all forced to coordinate.

    If Cunningham wins he's going to be wounded and bloody. He'll need some assistance to pull off a return in 2026 but there's plenty of time to shore up the votes. Maybe by then NC is reliably blue or the GOP won't be a complete shitshow.

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    dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    muting the mics is a start but unfortunately there isn't much one can do about the "get asked a question, talk about whatever the hell you want in response" dynamics of these debates which is almost as annoying

    AAAAA!!! PLAAAYGUUU!!!!
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    i'm okay claiming we don't need to plan for 2026 just yet

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Icemopper wrote: »
    I haven't missed a presidential debate since Bush v Gore, whether it was to hear any kind of policy discussion or just for the spectacle/theatrics, and now for the first time, I'm not sure I want to watch this Thursday's debate. I'm just so tired, I'm so ready for it to be over.

    I'll probably watch anyway just so I can refute some points when I talk to my in-laws next, but I would love to hit the snooze button on the next two weeks.

    Do we have the ratings for the debates (and "debates") available? Because I honestly expect the first one to cause people to just not bother watching the "third" debate beyond political obsessives.

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    SchadenfreudeSchadenfreude Mean Mister Mustard Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Icemopper wrote: »
    I haven't missed a presidential debate since Bush v Gore, whether it was to hear any kind of policy discussion or just for the spectacle/theatrics, and now for the first time, I'm not sure I want to watch this Thursday's debate. I'm just so tired, I'm so ready for it to be over.

    I'll probably watch anyway just so I can refute some points when I talk to my in-laws next, but I would love to hit the snooze button on the next two weeks.

    Do we have the ratings for the debates (and "debates") available? Because I honestly expect the first one to cause people to just not bother watching the "third" debate beyond political obsessives.

    Assuming Trump doesn't pull out he's going to look more insane than usual screaming into a muted microphone.

    Looking forward to it.

    Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe
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    GilgaronGilgaron Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Icemopper wrote: »
    I haven't missed a presidential debate since Bush v Gore, whether it was to hear any kind of policy discussion or just for the spectacle/theatrics, and now for the first time, I'm not sure I want to watch this Thursday's debate. I'm just so tired, I'm so ready for it to be over.

    I'll probably watch anyway just so I can refute some points when I talk to my in-laws next, but I would love to hit the snooze button on the next two weeks.

    Do we have the ratings for the debates (and "debates") available? Because I honestly expect the first one to cause people to just not bother watching the "third" debate beyond political obsessives.

    Especially with what I understand to be record numbers of people that have already voted. When I dropped off our ballots, the entire plaza for the shopping center the board of elections is in was packed with a line for early voting wrapped around the plaza's complex. The line for dropping off completed ballots was pretty fast, at least.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Gilgaron wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Icemopper wrote: »
    I haven't missed a presidential debate since Bush v Gore, whether it was to hear any kind of policy discussion or just for the spectacle/theatrics, and now for the first time, I'm not sure I want to watch this Thursday's debate. I'm just so tired, I'm so ready for it to be over.

    I'll probably watch anyway just so I can refute some points when I talk to my in-laws next, but I would love to hit the snooze button on the next two weeks.

    Do we have the ratings for the debates (and "debates") available? Because I honestly expect the first one to cause people to just not bother watching the "third" debate beyond political obsessives.

    Especially with what I understand to be record numbers of people that have already voted. When I dropped off our ballots, the entire plaza for the shopping center the board of elections is in was packed with a line for early voting wrapped around the plaza's complex. The line for dropping off completed ballots was pretty fast, at least.

    30 million and counting, previous early vote record was I think 6 million four years ago, so that's been smashed.

    ~130 million votes cast total last time.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Trump continues to project more than a literal projector

    Donald Trump: "Joe lies. And he lies a lot. And he'll say things that are crazy. And he'll think people are supposed to believe him. And they take ads and they put ads in on things that never happened."

    Couscous on
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