This 10900K definitely "crunched" when I latched the socket down. It's the LGA pins pushing in to the CPU pads.
PCIe slots: Makes a satisfying "click" when you put it in correctly
AMD AMD4 slots: Zero resistance, zero force, zero worries, first time go
Intel LGA slot: THREE WORDS: RUNNING. OVER. BONES.
AMD chips can still get ripped out of their socket if you're not careful with the heatsink.
This 10900K definitely "crunched" when I latched the socket down. It's the LGA pins pushing in to the CPU pads.
PCIe slots: Makes a satisfying "click" when you put it in correctly
AMD AMD4 slots: Zero resistance, zero force, zero worries, first time go
Intel LGA slot: THREE WORDS: RUNNING. OVER. BONES.
AMD chips can still get ripped out of their socket if you're not careful with the heatsink.
Yup, did that with the 3600, heh.
As someone looking to buy a 3600, how do I avoid this?
This 10900K definitely "crunched" when I latched the socket down. It's the LGA pins pushing in to the CPU pads.
PCIe slots: Makes a satisfying "click" when you put it in correctly
AMD AMD4 slots: Zero resistance, zero force, zero worries, first time go
Intel LGA slot: THREE WORDS: RUNNING. OVER. BONES.
AMD chips can still get ripped out of their socket if you're not careful with the heatsink.
Yup, did that with the 3600, heh.
As someone looking to buy a 3600, how do I avoid this?
The only way I avoided it back when I had a 1090T was to twist the heat sink after I loosened it. Probably not the best solution but it worked (seriously you shouldn’t do this). Another thing that helps is a warm heat sink, but it’s not a guarantee.
Alternatively nowadays, you can use one of the pyrolytic graphite pads and avoid the issue entirely.
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@Mr Ray Note that these concerns only apply if you are upgrading your CPU and not installing for the first time.
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This 10900K definitely "crunched" when I latched the socket down. It's the LGA pins pushing in to the CPU pads.
PCIe slots: Makes a satisfying "click" when you put it in correctly
AMD AMD4 slots: Zero resistance, zero force, zero worries, first time go
Intel LGA slot: THREE WORDS: RUNNING. OVER. BONES.
AMD chips can still get ripped out of their socket if you're not careful with the heatsink.
Yup, did that with the 3600, heh.
As someone looking to buy a 3600, how do I avoid this?
The only way I avoided it back when I had a 1090T was to twist the heat sink after I loosened it. Probably not the best solution but it worked (seriously you shouldn’t do this). Another thing that helps is a warm heat sink, but it’s not a guarantee.
Alternatively nowadays, you can use one of the pyrolytic graphite pads and avoid the issue entirely.
It’s not that big a deal really, just something to be aware of when using any processor with a pga as opposed to lga socket. “Ripped” makes it sound a lot more destructive than it should be, it’s really just the CPU taking a ride on the bottom of your cooler because the force of suction between the contact plate and lid is greater than the force holding the cpu in the socket (which is mostly the pressure from the cooling mount, which is of course gone when you remove the cooler natch)
Best thing to do is just be gentle while removing the cooler then, if the cpu is stuck on the bottom, gently twisting it off to break the tension between the thermal paste and the surfaces
Newegg Shuffle is up. 5950x, 5900x, and 5800x, along with consoles.
Edit: rather, will be up in about half an hour.
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Won a 5900X last week, lets see if I can win a 5950X for my workstation this week!
Somewhat related my Gallahad 360 arrived today. Going to get it installed and strapped to this 10900K, get my 5.2ghz OC stable and cool and run a bunch of comparative benchmarks in my very specific use cases (high frame rate VR) before my 5900X gets here Wednesday. Very curious to see which one wins for my specific use cases.
What’s the consensus on the 5800x then? Runs hotter, sometimes concerningly so, not as good value as the 5600 or 5900?
Never heard of it running that much hotter, but it's widely considered a bad value. If you're willing to spend 400+ just save a little extra and get a 5900X. Otherwise the 5600X is much better value, though likely not as good a value as the eventual 5600 will be.
What’s the consensus on the 5800x then? Runs hotter, sometimes concerningly so, not as good value as the 5600 or 5900?
That said, as a 5800x owner, its actually a ridiculously good chip. And with a fairly basic 240mm AIO cooler running the fans low, it sits at 39c idle, in the 50s during gaming, and mid 70s when I am benchmarking it specifically, using only the pre-applied thermal paste on the cooler. I could easily do better with better cooling, but its irrelevant to do so.
I've gotten it through PBO2 to jump up to over 5000Mhz, it has 8 cores / 16 threads which puts it at parity with the modern consoles as opposed to behind like the 5600x is... and literally nothing I am playing is CPU limited, in fact the CPU only gets taxed in benchmarks designed to tax the CPU. I get over 12,000 CPU in time Spy, compared to a little over 14,000 for a 5950 and around 13,500 for a 5900. Noticable in benchmarks, but again... games barely touch 25% of my CPU right now.
And the 5900x or 5950x is even more future-proofed, but makes zero sense from a gaming perspective unless you do streaming, video/media encoding and gaming off of the same machine concurrently.
I think the answer is that the 5600x will do everything the 5800x can do right now, but that will be less true 3-4 years from now when the baseline are the modern consoles and devs are expecting that many cores. Long-term, the 5800x might be the sweet spot for gaming through the current console generation, though the 5600x is the sweet spot at this moment since it will be some time before developers start optimizing for systems like this.
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And of course the ever-neglected fact that all these benchmarks that HUB et al run are on clean machines that aren't doing anything else but run the game and the benchmarking software.
IDK about you guys but I often like to run other programs in tandem. It's kinda nice to know that you have enough cores to run the games and a couple left over for whatever else is going in with your PC.
EDIT also in the UK at least, the per-core prices for the 5600X and the 5800X aren't that different. £280 vs £400... close enough. The 5900X is "better value" but it's also essentially mythical.
Ok guess I’ll need to adjust my theoretical PC build. Some good points to be made for the 5800x over the 5600x. That does push the price up a good $200.
Mind you this freaking machine is going to stay theoretical if it remains impossible to get parts.
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Ok guess I’ll need to adjust my theoretical PC build. Some good points to be made for the 5800x over the 5600x. That does push the price up a good $200.
Mind you this freaking machine is going to stay theoretical if it remains impossible to get parts.
FWIW, I picked up a 5600x recently because it was available and I just wanted to build my computer. In a few years when game devs start leaning on the expected core count in the consoles and actually using it hopefully parts will be more available and I can pick up an AM4 processor with the same core count. But in the meantime I've got a system built around a modern processor instead of a 3rd Gen i5.
Financial situations might be different, obviously.
By the time you need to upgrade it you'll probably be able to do better than a 5800X for the money. There's fairly solid rumours of a "Zen3+" due out at the end of this year, with slightly better IPC and a bit more clockspeed. 400-series boards will not run it, but the 500s should.
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By the time you need to upgrade it you'll probably be able to do better than a 5800X for the money. There's fairly solid rumours of a "Zen3+" due out at the end of this year, with slightly better IPC and a bit more clockspeed. 400-series boards will not run it, but the 500s should.
I thought they were jettisoning AM4 after the 5000 series.
3090 Aorus get. Good god that was an ordeal. I originally had a 3080 added to my cart and no stores in my area would let me pick up at checkout, until I finally got a message that nowhere within 250 miles had to card. Like, why even let me add to cart at that point? :rotate:
3090 Aorus get. Good god that was an ordeal. I originally had a 3080 added to my cart and no stores in my area would let me pick up at checkout, until I finally got a message that nowhere within 250 miles had to card. Like, why even let me add to cart at that point? :rotate:
Months ago, when they added (and for a while, forced) store pickup, it altered their site so more folks could get to the "checkout" button with a product in cart than actually existed products in inventory. So those messages, no instore pickup within 250 miles, no shipping to home, means you were too slow to checkout =/ Happens pretty often with the 3080s.
Just snagged a 3070! The 3080s went out as I started trying to add to my cart, but I'm pretty happy I got something and can always upgrade down the line.
Edit: Damn, I'm never fast enough for the Gigabyte Vision
double edit: looks like I was too slow for any of 'em; goddamn mandatory work all-staff training meetings
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Yeah, if you got to best buy this morning based on my post, the odds are pretty against you for getting through their mini-queues unless you're looking for a 3090. But I posted anyway 'cause miracles can happen.
I did predict a Tuesday drop back on Friday afternoon! At this rough time, even. Best Buy is very predictable.
Edit: Damn, I'm never fast enough for the Gigabyte Vision
double edit: looks like I was too slow for any of 'em; goddamn mandatory work all-staff training meetings
The button never turns yellow again.
Yeah, if you got to best buy this morning based on my post, the odds are pretty against you for getting through their mini-queues unless you're looking for a 3090. But I posted anyway 'cause miracles can happen.
I did predict a Tuesday drop back on Friday afternoon! At this rough time, even. Best Buy is very predictable.
Yeah. I've been through the Best Buy rodeo before and it never seems to matter for me. If it weren't for y'all occasionally posting here that you actually got something I'd be convinced that real people never got anything and it was all just a sham.
I assume if I got all the way through with order confirmation / charged card its actually going to ship, right? Because I barely made it on the last card - none of the other tabs turned yellow and were all sold out when I refreshed the 30xx page as soon as it completed.
I'm going to be really bummed if BB ends up cancelling, but getting a Gigabyte 3070 for $599 makes me quite happy. 2/3 faster than my current 1070 Ti and ray tracing! A 3080 was preferred but whatever after four months. I'll trade up if I get through the EVGA queue before they jack up to the tariff rate.
Yeah, BB doesn't cancel orders like Newegg does. You might get delayed a week or two, especially if you were one of the last orders to squeak in, but you'll get it eventually.
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Yup, did that with the 3600, heh.
As someone looking to buy a 3600, how do I avoid this?
The only way I avoided it back when I had a 1090T was to twist the heat sink after I loosened it. Probably not the best solution but it worked (seriously you shouldn’t do this). Another thing that helps is a warm heat sink, but it’s not a guarantee.
Alternatively nowadays, you can use one of the pyrolytic graphite pads and avoid the issue entirely.
It’s not that big a deal really, just something to be aware of when using any processor with a pga as opposed to lga socket. “Ripped” makes it sound a lot more destructive than it should be, it’s really just the CPU taking a ride on the bottom of your cooler because the force of suction between the contact plate and lid is greater than the force holding the cpu in the socket (which is mostly the pressure from the cooling mount, which is of course gone when you remove the cooler natch)
Best thing to do is just be gentle while removing the cooler then, if the cpu is stuck on the bottom, gently twisting it off to break the tension between the thermal paste and the surfaces
Basically it's a non-issue unless you're reseating the heatsink for some reason
Edit: rather, will be up in about half an hour.
Somewhat related my Gallahad 360 arrived today. Going to get it installed and strapped to this 10900K, get my 5.2ghz OC stable and cool and run a bunch of comparative benchmarks in my very specific use cases (high frame rate VR) before my 5900X gets here Wednesday. Very curious to see which one wins for my specific use cases.
Thank you for this. Put in for a Series X and a 5800x
Thank you for the heads up! I put in for all of them with 5 minutes to spare.
Fingers crossed.
Not sure US Newegg will chip to Canada, since there is a Newegg.ca...but it might have it's own shuffle.
CMOS battery?
Though I've noticed it's an increasing trend in the last few years. Why bother when it just syncs to the internet would be my guess.
Go to my cart and it says it was removed from my cart due to insufficient stock
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Edit: nvr mind, I'm stupid, I had to sign in again and it is there.
Really want a series X, not this chip.
Wish I could transfer it to someone here who is wanting one.
Yeah doesn’t seem like it yet unfortunately.
I'm in the same boat. Now that I can buy it I'm kinda on the fence and would transfer if I could.
Never heard of it running that much hotter, but it's widely considered a bad value. If you're willing to spend 400+ just save a little extra and get a 5900X. Otherwise the 5600X is much better value, though likely not as good a value as the eventual 5600 will be.
That said, as a 5800x owner, its actually a ridiculously good chip. And with a fairly basic 240mm AIO cooler running the fans low, it sits at 39c idle, in the 50s during gaming, and mid 70s when I am benchmarking it specifically, using only the pre-applied thermal paste on the cooler. I could easily do better with better cooling, but its irrelevant to do so.
I've gotten it through PBO2 to jump up to over 5000Mhz, it has 8 cores / 16 threads which puts it at parity with the modern consoles as opposed to behind like the 5600x is... and literally nothing I am playing is CPU limited, in fact the CPU only gets taxed in benchmarks designed to tax the CPU. I get over 12,000 CPU in time Spy, compared to a little over 14,000 for a 5950 and around 13,500 for a 5900. Noticable in benchmarks, but again... games barely touch 25% of my CPU right now.
And the 5900x or 5950x is even more future-proofed, but makes zero sense from a gaming perspective unless you do streaming, video/media encoding and gaming off of the same machine concurrently.
I think the answer is that the 5600x will do everything the 5800x can do right now, but that will be less true 3-4 years from now when the baseline are the modern consoles and devs are expecting that many cores. Long-term, the 5800x might be the sweet spot for gaming through the current console generation, though the 5600x is the sweet spot at this moment since it will be some time before developers start optimizing for systems like this.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
IDK about you guys but I often like to run other programs in tandem. It's kinda nice to know that you have enough cores to run the games and a couple left over for whatever else is going in with your PC.
EDIT also in the UK at least, the per-core prices for the 5600X and the 5800X aren't that different. £280 vs £400... close enough. The 5900X is "better value" but it's also essentially mythical.
Mind you this freaking machine is going to stay theoretical if it remains impossible to get parts.
FWIW, I picked up a 5600x recently because it was available and I just wanted to build my computer. In a few years when game devs start leaning on the expected core count in the consoles and actually using it hopefully parts will be more available and I can pick up an AM4 processor with the same core count. But in the meantime I've got a system built around a modern processor instead of a 3rd Gen i5.
Financial situations might be different, obviously.
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I thought they were jettisoning AM4 after the 5000 series.
Edit: Damn, I'm never fast enough for the Gigabyte Vision
double edit: looks like I was too slow for any of 'em; goddamn mandatory work all-staff training meetings
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Months ago, when they added (and for a while, forced) store pickup, it altered their site so more folks could get to the "checkout" button with a product in cart than actually existed products in inventory. So those messages, no instore pickup within 250 miles, no shipping to home, means you were too slow to checkout =/ Happens pretty often with the 3080s.
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The button never turns yellow again.
Yeah, if you got to best buy this morning based on my post, the odds are pretty against you for getting through their mini-queues unless you're looking for a 3090. But I posted anyway 'cause miracles can happen.
I did predict a Tuesday drop back on Friday afternoon! At this rough time, even. Best Buy is very predictable.
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Yeah. I've been through the Best Buy rodeo before and it never seems to matter for me. If it weren't for y'all occasionally posting here that you actually got something I'd be convinced that real people never got anything and it was all just a sham.
I'm going to be really bummed if BB ends up cancelling, but getting a Gigabyte 3070 for $599 makes me quite happy. 2/3 faster than my current 1070 Ti and ray tracing! A 3080 was preferred but whatever after four months. I'll trade up if I get through the EVGA queue before they jack up to the tariff rate.
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