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If you've ever work on a legal case you will immediately begin to understand why it is slow and ponderous.
There are people that abuse this facet of it, but in criminal trials you have a right to expediency if you pursue it.
Yeah fair enough, I guess my resentment comes from some unpleasant experiences with civil and family law, in criminal cases they should probably take their time
I mean, I guess
In civil law people will delay cases expressly as a strategy to make the other side settle. But also there's no way to really catch bad-faith actors without punishing good-faith actors there.
That isn't really an aspect in criminal law.
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While this is great, I'm just waiting for some kind of stupid Hollywood-type twist where the sentencing judge decides that Chauvin's suffered enough because of all the bad publicity and he's free to go.
Isn’t Minnesota a mandatory minimum sentencing state?
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I mean the big thing is if he's gonna have to serve them concurrent or consecutive.
Consecutive means that even if it's 8 years per count (which I think is unlikely) he's still serving 24 years.
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eight years is a long fucking time. like yeah it's outrageous that other, non-violent crimes get harsher sentences, I don't know why the impulse would be to say "and therefore, other crimes should also carry much harsher sentences".
not to mention, prisons don't actually work, and the reason they don't work is not that people don't have to spend enough time in them.
I assume the other streams also had it but deep respect that the entirety of the CBC coverage was Chauvin's face for the full reading and his mounting panic was visible in his eyes
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MSNBC had the camera right up on Chauvin's face as the verdicts were being rendered. His eyes got wider with each "Guilty". Man looked like he was going to shit himself with increasing force as each affirmative rang out in the courtroom.
Timestamp should start as the judge begins the preamble (12:00 if it doesn't)
There's the panic as he hears each guilty verdict, the immediate request to revoke bail, the even more immediate granting of revocation, and then him being handcuffed and led away.
this is the first time a white police officer has ever been convicted for killing a black man in the state of Minnesota
It is a shitty fact, but it only takes one to establish precedent. So hopefully this verdict becomes a catalyst for some semblance of getting back at the system.
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I mean the big thing is if he's gonna have to serve them concurrent or consecutive.
Consecutive means that even if it's 8 years per count (which I think is unlikely) he's still serving 24 years.
Do you know what the standards are for if sentences are served concurrently or consecutively? I feel like I always hear of them being served concurrently, but I am far from an expert on this.
edit: not sure why I put federal.
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Getting a minimum sentence rather than the presumptive sentence implies mitigating factors that are not present here, so implying it's an 8 year sentence unless we get lucky is either very pessimistic or deeply stupid on Nash's part up there.
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I mean the big thing is if he's gonna have to serve them concurrent or consecutive.
Consecutive means that even if it's 8 years per count (which I think is unlikely) he's still serving 24 years.
Do you know what the federal standards are for if sentences are served concurrently or consecutively? I feel like I always hear of them being served concurrently, but I am far from an expert on this.
I do not, unfortunately. If I ever start practicing law again, I'll probably do something criminal adjacent but that wasn't my focus in law-school other than an externship at a DA's office.
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For fucks sake. Sacrificing implies he was willing to die for a cause when I'm pretty damn sure he did not want to die and clearly stated as such while he was being killed! That's not sacrificing anything!
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In civil law people will delay cases expressly as a strategy to make the other side settle. But also there's no way to really catch bad-faith actors without punishing good-faith actors there.
That isn't really an aspect in criminal law.
Isn’t Minnesota a mandatory minimum sentencing state?
hrm 8 years for all of that sure doesn't feel like much of a sentence
If only they found a gram of weed on Chauvin when they arrested him.
this is explicitly not true
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Consecutive means that even if it's 8 years per count (which I think is unlikely) he's still serving 24 years.
not to mention, prisons don't actually work, and the reason they don't work is not that people don't have to spend enough time in them.
Timestamp should start as the judge begins the preamble (12:00 if it doesn't)
There's the panic as he hears each guilty verdict, the immediate request to revoke bail, the even more immediate granting of revocation, and then him being handcuffed and led away.
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It is a shitty fact, but it only takes one to establish precedent. So hopefully this verdict becomes a catalyst for some semblance of getting back at the system.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
assuming he both receives the minimum and they run concurrently, neither of which are likely
Hmmmm
Do you know what the standards are for if sentences are served concurrently or consecutively? I feel like I always hear of them being served concurrently, but I am far from an expert on this.
edit: not sure why I put federal.
I think 12.5 is the minimum for Minnesota for 2nd degree murder but I could be wrong.
I do not, unfortunately. If I ever start practicing law again, I'll probably do something criminal adjacent but that wasn't my focus in law-school other than an externship at a DA's office.
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Are you fucking kidding me
I get what she was going for here, but it came out really badly tone def wow
I mean states vary wildly on stuff but federal guidelines are often used as a standard to follow, that's why I assumed you asked about federal.
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going to trial also has the tendency to get you a higher sentence
That's some real big "MLK died for racial progress" energy. Nah bruh he was murdered.
Wtf like for real what kind of brain dead statement is this
For fucks sake. Sacrificing implies he was willing to die for a cause when I'm pretty damn sure he did not want to die and clearly stated as such while he was being killed! That's not sacrificing anything!