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Penny Arcade - Comic - Iconic

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edited February 2021 in The Penny Arcade Hub
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Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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    ShowsniShowsni Registered User regular
    If Josh DeSeno (the face of the Kappa emote) ever does something hateful, would twitch ever be able to recover?

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    BropocalypseBropocalypse Registered User regular
    Today's comic has Calvin & Hobbes energy

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    AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    Can someone tell me if I got this right: Pogchamp is an emote on Twitch that had the face of some dude who turned out to be evil, so they deleted that emote and made a new one with a fictional character?

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    SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    Aldo wrote: »
    Can someone tell me if I got this right: Pogchamp is an emote on Twitch that had the face of some dude who turned out to be evil, so they deleted that emote and made a new one with a fictional character?
    Got it in one.

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    ShowsniShowsni Registered User regular
    Aldo wrote: »
    Can someone tell me if I got this right: Pogchamp is an emote on Twitch that had the face of some dude who turned out to be evil, so they deleted that emote and made a new one with a fictional character?

    Pretty much, although actually they've been cycling through a bunch of different Pogchamp emotes.

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    BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    Have they settled on the lizard permanently? I remember when they first announced they were going to cycle through a bunch of different streamers, one of them was bombarded with hate speech.

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    So here's what I don't get. From what I gather, Twitch doesn't feel like it can remove the Pogchamp emote because it's a vital part of the Twitch lexicon, communicating something that you couldn't possibly communicate with another emote (or heaven forbid, words). But what Pogchamp communicates is not tied to the personhood of Pogchamp, who as previously determined is a bad person. So it sort of makes sense, in a perverse way, that the trolls who want to want to celebrate Pogchamp the person want to make the emote stay the same. A lizard won't communicate Pogchamp for them because they actually want to refer to that person by using the emote.

    But what are the people who have moved on from Pogchamp the dude actually trying to say when they use the lizard emote? What is the meaning of an emote that depicts a person if you remove that person?

    Let's say I'm part of a culture that uses the phrase, "Shaka, when the walls fell" to convey the idea of failure. And let's say something was discovered about Shaka that makes me reluctant to make that reference anymore. So I start saying "Picard, when the walls fell". But the Picard who I am referencing isn't known for failure. So does the expression have any meaning?

    So I guess I'll concede that people on Twitch feel that they need to be able to say Pogchamp. But what the heck does Pogchamp the emote actually mean if it's disassociated from Pogchamp the person?

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    JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    Part of it is also Twitch, like most of the internet and humanity at large, is just plain toxic.

    They really still love Pepe over there for example.

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    BropocalypseBropocalypse Registered User regular
    But what the heck does Pogchamp the emote actually mean if it's disassociated from Pogchamp the person?

    It's a way to convey expression

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    BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    The dude's name wasn't pogchamp, it's just the name of the emote. The meaning is really just conveyed by the facial expression, and I would venture that most people on twitch don't even know who the guy is, or at least didn't until he earned a certain level of infamy through this scandal.

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    I can't see the word 'iconic' without thinking of DnD Next

    Sterica wrote: »
    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Part of it is also Twitch, like most of the internet and humanity at large, is just plain toxic.

    They really still love Pepe over there for example.

    They don't use Pepe the way the alt right does, at least not in the places I've been. Pepe is kind of the inverse problem of pogchamp, where the actual character of Pepe end the artist behind him are fine, but the usage of Pepe was not.

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    BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    You'll see both sides of Pepe on twitch. I understand that the actual creator of the character really wanted to see him rehabilitated/reclaimed, so I try to give it the benefit of the doubt unless there's sketchiness afoot. Pepe's in a weird spot right now.

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    DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Is the consensus of the PA crowd now old enough that we no longer understand the kids, and have to collaboratively guess at their lingo?

    What is this I don't even.
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    DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    At least now, no one has to eat a baby.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    But what the heck does Pogchamp the emote actually mean if it's disassociated from Pogchamp the person?

    It's a way to convey expression

    Part of it is that pogChamp became so much a part of the lingo on twitch, that streamers and chat actually say it out loud.
    Like "Pog!","Poggers!" Etc. so you don't even see the actual emote a significant amount of the time that it's referenced. Similar to people who say el-oh-el or lol out loud. Basically the existence of a pogChamp is more meaningful than that specific pogChamp.

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Is the consensus of the PA crowd now old enough that we no longer understand the kids, and have to collaboratively guess at their lingo?

    I, like a think a bunch of us, cheat by never understanding the kids in the first place. :P

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    painfulPleasancepainfulPleasance The First RepublicRegistered User regular
    But what the heck does Pogchamp the emote actually mean if it's disassociated from Pogchamp the person?

    It's a way to convey expression

    Part of it is that pogChamp became so much a part of the lingo on twitch, that streamers and chat actually say it out loud.
    Like "Pog!","Poggers!" Etc. so you don't even see the actual emote a significant amount of the time that it's referenced. Similar to people who say el-oh-el or lol out loud. Basically the existence of a pogChamp is more meaningful than that specific pogChamp.

    Poggers predates the guy though, because "Yo, that's fucking poggers!" from him was how pogChamp started.
    /shrug

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    doompookydoompooky Wild (Let's Draw A) Horses Couldn't Drag Me AwayRegistered User regular
    The dude's name wasn't pogchamp, it's just the name of the emote. The meaning is really just conveyed by the facial expression, and I would venture that most people on twitch don't even know who the guy is, or at least didn't until he earned a certain level of infamy through this scandal.

    So Gootecks' face, called pogChamp, became a word. And we need this word in the video game TV language, but his face is now horrible to us. So we have turned his name-word into a lizard and cast his face-word into darkness. Got it. This must be precisely how my dad felt when I was a teenager. I'm gonna go give him a call.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    FYI, here is the lizard, which is apparently a pre-existing meme because I wasn't already out of the loop enough:

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    BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    doompooky wrote: »
    The dude's name wasn't pogchamp, it's just the name of the emote. The meaning is really just conveyed by the facial expression, and I would venture that most people on twitch don't even know who the guy is, or at least didn't until he earned a certain level of infamy through this scandal.

    So Gootecks' face, called pogChamp, became a word. And we need this word in the video game TV language, but his face is now horrible to us. So we have turned his name-word into a lizard and cast his face-word into darkness. Got it. This must be precisely how my dad felt when I was a teenager. I'm gonna go give him a call.

    Like I get not everyone uses twitch or keeps up with trends (let alone keeps up with trends on twitch) but surely "guy's face is used to make an emote, guy ends up being a prick, emote is changed, minor drama ensues" isn't too alien of a plotline to follow for anyone who regularly uses the internet.

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    doompookydoompooky Wild (Let's Draw A) Horses Couldn't Drag Me AwayRegistered User regular
    edited February 2021
    doompooky wrote: »
    The dude's name wasn't pogchamp, it's just the name of the emote. The meaning is really just conveyed by the facial expression, and I would venture that most people on twitch don't even know who the guy is, or at least didn't until he earned a certain level of infamy through this scandal.

    So Gootecks' face, called pogChamp, became a word. And we need this word in the video game TV language, but his face is now horrible to us. So we have turned his name-word into a lizard and cast his face-word into darkness. Got it. This must be precisely how my dad felt when I was a teenager. I'm gonna go give him a call.

    Like I get not everyone uses twitch or keeps up with trends (let alone keeps up with trends on twitch) but surely "guy's face is used to make an emote, guy ends up being a prick, emote is changed, minor drama ensues" isn't too alien of a plotline to follow for anyone who regularly uses the internet.

    Oh no doubt, I follow it. But just like my dad knew who Darth Vader was, he probably didn't grock exactly why it was important that he utilized a synthetic crystal set in his lightsaber, or why I (or anyone) cared

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