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Welcome one, welcome all, to a thread for discussion of Formula One, past, present and future. (And feel free to discuss other motorsport as well, should you feel like it - any is welcome!) If you're joining us for the first time, please say hi! We don't bite. 
First thread is here: https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/197720/formula-one-motorsport-round-16-russia-in-soviet-russia-v12-drives-you/p1
Second thread is here: https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/230262/formula-one-motorsport-le-mans-24-hours-please-stop-crashing-into-sophia-floersch/p1
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Why are there loads of spoiler tags in this thread?
For various reasons, some people in the thread have to catch up on F1 events after they happen rather than being able to see them live. In order to not force those people out while an F1 event is going on, we came to the compromise of spoilering things directly relating to a current F1 event until the Tuesday after a race. After that it's open spoiler territory. Anything else can still be posted outside of spoiler tags in that time, and this only applies to F1 and not other motorsport events.
Who are the teams and drivers, and where will they be racing?
The 2023 teams and their starting line-up of drivers are:
Following the retirement of Sebastian Vettel at the end of 2022, Fernando Alonso moved to Aston Martin. His replacement at Alpine was Pierre Gasly, whose spot at AlphaTauri was taken by former Formula E & F2 champion Nyck de Vries. Daniel Ricciardo left McLaren for a reserver driver role at Red Bull; his seat at McLaren was taken by rookie Oscar Piastri. Logan Sargeant makes his debut replacing Nicholas Latifi at Williams, and Nico Hulkenberg returns to a full-time F1 seat for the first time since 2019 at Haas, replacing Mick Schumacher who has moved to being a reserve driver at Mercedes.
The 2023 World Championship is set to comprise 23 Grand Prix races.
Qatar makes its return after being absent for 2022, and Las Vegas hosts its first GP since the Caesar's Palace GP in 1982, this time on a new street track encompassing the famous Las Vegas Strip.
Will there be an F1 2023 video game?
Yes, although it has yet to be shown. Current editions of F1 games are F1 22 (EA Sports/Codemasters) and F1 Manager 2022 (Frontier Developments); both are expected to have new iterations this year.
Are you doing a Fantasy F1 league?
@Nova_C has started one for this season! It's over at https://fantasygp.com/ , and the league code is:
Are there any good movies about F1?
Yes, and there was a flurry of brilliant ones a few years ago. All of these are essential viewing even if you only have a passing interest in F1:
Senna (2010) is a documentary history of arguably the sport's greatest-ever driver, triple world champion Ayrton Senna, who started in F1 in 1984 and died tragically in 1994.
Rush (2013) is a biopic of the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda in the 1970s, starring Chris Hemsworth and Daniel Brühl as Hunt and Lauda respectively, and culminating in their titanic battle for the 1976 world championship.
Grand Prix: The Killer Years (2011) is a BBC documentary that tells the story of F1 in the 1960s and 70s where mechanical failure, lethal track design, fire and incompetence led to the deaths of many young drivers. Among the interviewees contributing to the film are world champions Jackie Stewart, Emerson Fittipaldi, and John Surtees.
And if you like older movies too:
Grand Prix (1966) is a film that follows several drivers through a fictionalised 1966 season. It stars James Garner and features some astonishing footage captured at the real races, which won it three Oscars.
And outside F1, the fantastic Le Mans (1971) depicts Steve McQueen's character taking part in a fictionalised 1971 Le Mans 24 Hours race, again using some amazing footage captured at the real-life 1970 event. McQueen was an avid racer himself, and the Porsche camera car (which McQueen had previously co-driven to a second place in the 12 Hours of Sebring) was actually a full-fledged entry in the real 1970 race.
What about TV shows (aside from the races themselves)?
Check out Drive to Survive on Netflix. Then pick your jaw up off the floor. Seriously, this show is amazing and has proven to be an extraordinary gateway drug into the world of F1, focusing on stories within the season rather than just being presented chronologically, and has a huge amount of behind-the-scenes access we just don't see on the live weekend broadcasts. It's a fascinating insight into the sport.
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2020 OP archive
2020 PA Forums Hot Laps
2020 Official Virtual F1
The saga of the 2020 season: how to F1 in a pandemic, part 1
First thread is here: https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/197720/formula-one-motorsport-round-16-russia-in-soviet-russia-v12-drives-you/p1
Second thread is here: https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/230262/formula-one-motorsport-le-mans-24-hours-please-stop-crashing-into-sophia-floersch/p1
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Why are there loads of spoiler tags in this thread?
For various reasons, some people in the thread have to catch up on F1 events after they happen rather than being able to see them live. In order to not force those people out while an F1 event is going on, we came to the compromise of spoilering things directly relating to a current F1 event until the Tuesday after a race. After that it's open spoiler territory. Anything else can still be posted outside of spoiler tags in that time, and this only applies to F1 and not other motorsport events.
Who are the teams and drivers, and where will they be racing?
The 2023 teams and their starting line-up of drivers are:
- Alfa Romeo - Zhou Guanyu (China), Valtteri Bottas (Finland)
- AlphaTauri - Nyck de Vries (Netherlands), Yuki Tsunoda (Japan)
- Alpine - Pierre Gasly (France), Esteban Ocon (France)
- Aston Martin - Fernando Alonso (Spain), Lance Stroll (Canada)
- Ferrari - Carlos Sainz Jr (Spain), Charles Leclerc (Monaco)
- Haas - Kevin Magnussen (Denmark), Nico Hulkenberg (Germany)
- McLaren - Lando Norris (United Kingdom), Oscar Piastri (Australia)
- Mercedes - Lewis Hamilton (United Kingdom), George Russell (United Kingdom)
- Red Bull - Max Verstappen (Netherlands), Sergio Perez (Mexico)
- Williams - Logan Sargeant (United States), Alex Albon (Thailand)
Following the retirement of Sebastian Vettel at the end of 2022, Fernando Alonso moved to Aston Martin. His replacement at Alpine was Pierre Gasly, whose spot at AlphaTauri was taken by former Formula E & F2 champion Nyck de Vries. Daniel Ricciardo left McLaren for a reserver driver role at Red Bull; his seat at McLaren was taken by rookie Oscar Piastri. Logan Sargeant makes his debut replacing Nicholas Latifi at Williams, and Nico Hulkenberg returns to a full-time F1 seat for the first time since 2019 at Haas, replacing Mick Schumacher who has moved to being a reserve driver at Mercedes.
The 2023 World Championship is set to comprise 23 Grand Prix races.
- Sakhir, Bahrain (night race) - 5 March
- Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (night race) - 19 March
- Melbourne, Australia - 2 April
- Baku, Azerbaijan (street race) - 30 April
- Miami, Florida, United States (Miami GP) - 7 May
- Imola, Italy (Emilia Romagna GP) - 21 May - cancelled due to flooding
- Monte Carlo, Monaco (street race) - 28 May
- Barcelona, Spain - 4 June
- Montreal, Canada - 18 June
- Spielberg, Austria - 2 July
- Silverstone, Great Britain - 9 July
- Budapest, Hungary - 23 July
- Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium - 30 July
- Zandvoort, The Netherlands - 27 August
- Monza, Italy - 3 September
- Marina Bay, Singapore (night/street race) - 17 September
- Suzuka, Japan - 24 September
- Lusail, Qatar - 8 October
- Austin, Texas, United States - 22 October
- Mexico City, Mexico - 29 October
- Interlagos, Brazil (São Paulo GP) - 5 November
- Las Vegas, Nevada, United States (Las Vegas GP, street race) - 18 November
- Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi (evening race) - 26 November
Qatar makes its return after being absent for 2022, and Las Vegas hosts its first GP since the Caesar's Palace GP in 1982, this time on a new street track encompassing the famous Las Vegas Strip.
Will there be an F1 2023 video game?
Yes, although it has yet to be shown. Current editions of F1 games are F1 22 (EA Sports/Codemasters) and F1 Manager 2022 (Frontier Developments); both are expected to have new iterations this year.
Are you doing a Fantasy F1 league?
@Nova_C has started one for this season! It's over at https://fantasygp.com/ , and the league code is:
41387310
Are there any good movies about F1?
Yes, and there was a flurry of brilliant ones a few years ago. All of these are essential viewing even if you only have a passing interest in F1:
Senna (2010) is a documentary history of arguably the sport's greatest-ever driver, triple world champion Ayrton Senna, who started in F1 in 1984 and died tragically in 1994.
Rush (2013) is a biopic of the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda in the 1970s, starring Chris Hemsworth and Daniel Brühl as Hunt and Lauda respectively, and culminating in their titanic battle for the 1976 world championship.
Grand Prix: The Killer Years (2011) is a BBC documentary that tells the story of F1 in the 1960s and 70s where mechanical failure, lethal track design, fire and incompetence led to the deaths of many young drivers. Among the interviewees contributing to the film are world champions Jackie Stewart, Emerson Fittipaldi, and John Surtees.
And if you like older movies too:
Grand Prix (1966) is a film that follows several drivers through a fictionalised 1966 season. It stars James Garner and features some astonishing footage captured at the real races, which won it three Oscars.
And outside F1, the fantastic Le Mans (1971) depicts Steve McQueen's character taking part in a fictionalised 1971 Le Mans 24 Hours race, again using some amazing footage captured at the real-life 1970 event. McQueen was an avid racer himself, and the Porsche camera car (which McQueen had previously co-driven to a second place in the 12 Hours of Sebring) was actually a full-fledged entry in the real 1970 race.
What about TV shows (aside from the races themselves)?
Check out Drive to Survive on Netflix. Then pick your jaw up off the floor. Seriously, this show is amazing and has proven to be an extraordinary gateway drug into the world of F1, focusing on stories within the season rather than just being presented chronologically, and has a huge amount of behind-the-scenes access we just don't see on the live weekend broadcasts. It's a fascinating insight into the sport.
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2020 OP archive
2020 PA Forums Hot Laps
PA Forums F1 Hot Laps
While the F1 season, like everything else, is was on hold, we have a PA Forums Hot Lap game/event/thing going on (credit to @oldmanken ). In the F1 2019 game, in Time Trial mode, we are simply aiming to do the fastest lap we can on whatever the currently selected track is, in whatever the currently selected car is. These may be 2019 cars or classic cars.
Round 1, Australia, 20-25 March: 2019 McLaren
Round 2, Bahrain, 26 March-1 April: 2004 Ferrari
Round 3: China, 1-8 April: 2019 Mercedes
Round 4: Azerbaijan, 8-15 April: 2019 Williams
Round 5: Spain, 15-22 April: 2019 Renault
Round 6: Monaco, 22-29 April: 1988 McLaren
Round 7: Canada, 29 April-13 May: 1979 Ferrari
Round 8: France, 13-20 May: 2019 Alfa Romeo
Round 9: Austria, 20-27 May: 2019 Red Bull
Round 10: Great Britain, 27 May-10 June: 1992 Williams
Round 11: Germany, 10-24 June: 2019 Toro Rosso
Round 12: Hungary, 24 June-8 July: 2019 Ferrari
Round 13: Belgium, 14 July-28 July: 2019 Ferrari
Round 14: Italy, TBD
There are restrictions on which driver aids can be used for your time to count; these are different depending on if you are using a controller or a wheel/pedals setup.
There is a Google doc/spreadsheet here with relevant rules and leaderboards: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wNoRoewUeHxKZSrAj0iYE8ydSzHI6WpB-Zj7Fl5v1aA/edit?usp=sharing
If anyone feels like having a go, we'd love to have you join in! You are also welcome to join in using F1 2018 and F1 2017 if you only have those available, but the relative speed of the cars may make that more challenging!
PA Forums Assetto Corsa Competizione Hot Laps
There is now also a Hot Lap event for Assetto Corsa Competizione, if sportscar racing is more your thing (or you just feel like a change of scenery).
There is a Google doc for the ACC event here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jle4BTRUsRFQqb_JagX6QvXpVGhp8Eaj40h3HFUnuEc/edit?usp=sharing
While the F1 season, like everything else, is was on hold, we have a PA Forums Hot Lap game/event/thing going on (credit to @oldmanken ). In the F1 2019 game, in Time Trial mode, we are simply aiming to do the fastest lap we can on whatever the currently selected track is, in whatever the currently selected car is. These may be 2019 cars or classic cars.
Round 1, Australia, 20-25 March: 2019 McLaren
Round 2, Bahrain, 26 March-1 April: 2004 Ferrari
Round 3: China, 1-8 April: 2019 Mercedes
Round 4: Azerbaijan, 8-15 April: 2019 Williams
Round 5: Spain, 15-22 April: 2019 Renault
Round 6: Monaco, 22-29 April: 1988 McLaren
Round 7: Canada, 29 April-13 May: 1979 Ferrari
Round 8: France, 13-20 May: 2019 Alfa Romeo
Round 9: Austria, 20-27 May: 2019 Red Bull
Round 10: Great Britain, 27 May-10 June: 1992 Williams
Round 11: Germany, 10-24 June: 2019 Toro Rosso
Round 12: Hungary, 24 June-8 July: 2019 Ferrari
Round 13: Belgium, 14 July-28 July: 2019 Ferrari
Round 14: Italy, TBD
There are restrictions on which driver aids can be used for your time to count; these are different depending on if you are using a controller or a wheel/pedals setup.
There is a Google doc/spreadsheet here with relevant rules and leaderboards: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wNoRoewUeHxKZSrAj0iYE8ydSzHI6WpB-Zj7Fl5v1aA/edit?usp=sharing
If anyone feels like having a go, we'd love to have you join in! You are also welcome to join in using F1 2018 and F1 2017 if you only have those available, but the relative speed of the cars may make that more challenging!
PA Forums Assetto Corsa Competizione Hot Laps
There is now also a Hot Lap event for Assetto Corsa Competizione, if sportscar racing is more your thing (or you just feel like a change of scenery).
There is a Google doc for the ACC event here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jle4BTRUsRFQqb_JagX6QvXpVGhp8Eaj40h3HFUnuEc/edit?usp=sharing
2020 Official Virtual F1
Official Virtual F1
As so many of the early races of the season have been cancelled or postponed due to the coronavirus pandemic, F1 are now going to be holding Virtual Grand Prix in lieu of the actual races. These will take place on the same weekends as the cancelled races, and will be held remotely on the F1 2019 game, with all the actual F1 drivers invited to take part; seats are also being filled by esports drivers, ex-F1 drivers and other celebrities/sportspeople. These will be held purely for entertainment purposes and will not count towards the real life season, should it still go ahead.
More information can be found here, at www.racefans.net (and other fan sites), and of course in this thread itself!
As so many of the early races of the season have been cancelled or postponed due to the coronavirus pandemic, F1 are now going to be holding Virtual Grand Prix in lieu of the actual races. These will take place on the same weekends as the cancelled races, and will be held remotely on the F1 2019 game, with all the actual F1 drivers invited to take part; seats are also being filled by esports drivers, ex-F1 drivers and other celebrities/sportspeople. These will be held purely for entertainment purposes and will not count towards the real life season, should it still go ahead.
More information can be found here, at www.racefans.net (and other fan sites), and of course in this thread itself!
The saga of the 2020 season: how to F1 in a pandemic, part 1
Who are the teams and drivers, and where will they be racing?
The 2020 teams and their starting line-up of drivers are:
There are few changes from last year. The Toro Rosso Team has changed name to AlphaTauri. Nicholas Latifi is the only rookie driver this year, and Esteban Ocon makes his return to an F1 race seat, replacing Nico Hulkenberg at Renault.
The 2020 World Championship was originally to be comprised of 22 Grand Prix races. Several at the start of the season were cancelled due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. The original schedule was:
The German Grand Prix was dropped again for this year. The Dutch GP was going to return to the calendar for the first time since 1985, and Vietnam was to make its debut with a new partial street track in Hanoi.
The 2020 calendar was originally intended to be 22 races; the Chinese Grand Prix (intended to be on 19 April) was indefinitely postponed on 12 February due to the ongoing coronavirus outbreak, but was considered cancelled as there was nowhere else left where it could realistically fit into this year's schedule. On 13 March it was officially cancelled.
On 9 March, Bahrain banned all fans from attending their race because of coronavirus fears. On 13 March the event was officially cancelled.
On 12 March, the Australian Grand Prix was reportedly cancelled due to the coronavirus outbreak. This was officially confirmed on 13 March.
Also on 13 March, what would have been the inaugural Vietnam Grand Prix was cancelled.
On 19 March, the Dutch and Spanish Grands Prix were officially postponed, and the Monaco Grand Prix was cancelled outright (in part due to the setup time; it takes the principality of Monaco six weeks to set up for the race, so an indeterminate postponement was impractical).
Also on 19 March, the announcement was made that the new technical rules for the 2021 season would be delayed until 2022; the 2021 season will be contested with the 2020 cars regardless of how much of the 2020 season eventually goes ahead.
On 23 March, the Azerbaijan Grand Prix was officially postponed.
On 7 April, the Canadian Grand Prix was officially postponed.
On 27 April, the French Grand Prix was officially postponed.
The season is now tentatively scheduled to begin with the Austrian Grand Prix on 5 July, subject to any further cancellations or complications. The current idea is for two races to be held in Austria, on 5 and 12 July, followed by two races in Great Britain at Silverstone, on 19 and 26 July, with the rest of the calendar rewritten to ultimately create a season of 15 to 18 races. Early races would likely be held behind closed doors without spectators, with the hope that restriction could be eased later in the year.
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On 28 May, a new European calendar was tentatively reported. Austria will still host the opening two rounds on 5 and 12 July, but the two races at Silverstone would be pushed back into August following the UK government's new quarantine restrictions for people entering the UK (with Germany filling in if the British races don't go ahead). Hungary and Spain would fill in around Austria and the UK, with Belgium and Italy retaining their previous dates and further races outside Europe to follow. Also on 28 May, the Dutch Grand Prix was officially cancelled.
On 10 July, Mugello in Italy (new to F1) and Russia confirmed dates for September.
On 24 July, the US, Mexican and Brazilian Grands Prix were cancelled. Canada was also confirmed to be cancelled. Also, the Nurburgring in Germany, Imola in Italy, and Portimao in Portugal (the latter new to F1) confirmed dates to expand the season.
On 26 August, four more races at three venues - Istanbul Park in Turkey (returning after nine years off the calendar), Sakhir in Bahrain, and Yas Marina in Abu Dhabi, were confirmed to conclude the season. Bahrain will host two races using two different layouts of the track.
The new season so far looks like this:
The 2020 teams and their starting line-up of drivers are:
- Alfa Romeo - Kimi Raikkonen (Finland), Antonio Giovinazzi (Italy)
- AlphaTauri - Pierre Gasly (France), Daniil Kvyat (Russia)
- Ferrari - Sebastian Vettel (Germany), Charles Leclerc (Monaco)
- Haas - Romain Grosjean (France), Kevin Magnussen (Denmark)
- McLaren - Lando Norris (United Kingdom), Carlos Sainz Jr (Spain)
- Mercedes - Lewis Hamilton (United Kingdom), Valtteri Bottas (Finland)
- Racing Point - Sergio Perez (Mexico), Lance Stroll (Canada)
- Red Bull - Alexander Albon (Thailand), Max Verstappen (Netherlands)
- Renault - Daniel Ricciardo (Australia), Esteban Ocon (France)
- Williams - Nicholas Latifi (Canada), George Russell (United Kingdom)
There are few changes from last year. The Toro Rosso Team has changed name to AlphaTauri. Nicholas Latifi is the only rookie driver this year, and Esteban Ocon makes his return to an F1 race seat, replacing Nico Hulkenberg at Renault.
The 2020 World Championship was originally to be comprised of 22 Grand Prix races. Several at the start of the season were cancelled due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. The original schedule was:
- Melbourne, Australia - 15 March - cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak
- Sakhir, Bahrain (night race) - 22 March - fans banned from attending and subsequently cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak
- Hanoi, Vietnam (street race) - 5 April - cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak
- Shanghai, China - 19 April - postponed indefinitely pre-season and subsequently cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak
- Zandvoort, Netherlands - 3 May - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
- Barcelona, Spain - 10 May - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
- Monte Carlo, Monaco (street race) - 24 May - cancelled outright due to coronavirus outbreak
- Baku, Azerbaijan (street race) - 7 June - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
- Montreal, Canada - 14 June - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
- Paul Ricard, France - 28 June - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
- Spielberg, Austria - 5 July
- Silverstone, Great Britain - 19 July
- Budapest, Hungary - 2 August
- Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium - 30 August
- Monza, Italy - 6 September
- Marina Bay, Singapore (night/street race) - 20 September
- Sochi, Russia - 27 September
- Suzuka, Japan - 11 October
- Austin, United States - 25 October
- Mexico City, Mexico - 1 November
- Interlagos, Brazil - 15 November
- Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi (evening race) - 29 November
The German Grand Prix was dropped again for this year. The Dutch GP was going to return to the calendar for the first time since 1985, and Vietnam was to make its debut with a new partial street track in Hanoi.
The 2020 calendar was originally intended to be 22 races; the Chinese Grand Prix (intended to be on 19 April) was indefinitely postponed on 12 February due to the ongoing coronavirus outbreak, but was considered cancelled as there was nowhere else left where it could realistically fit into this year's schedule. On 13 March it was officially cancelled.
On 9 March, Bahrain banned all fans from attending their race because of coronavirus fears. On 13 March the event was officially cancelled.
On 12 March, the Australian Grand Prix was reportedly cancelled due to the coronavirus outbreak. This was officially confirmed on 13 March.
Also on 13 March, what would have been the inaugural Vietnam Grand Prix was cancelled.
On 19 March, the Dutch and Spanish Grands Prix were officially postponed, and the Monaco Grand Prix was cancelled outright (in part due to the setup time; it takes the principality of Monaco six weeks to set up for the race, so an indeterminate postponement was impractical).
Also on 19 March, the announcement was made that the new technical rules for the 2021 season would be delayed until 2022; the 2021 season will be contested with the 2020 cars regardless of how much of the 2020 season eventually goes ahead.
On 23 March, the Azerbaijan Grand Prix was officially postponed.
On 7 April, the Canadian Grand Prix was officially postponed.
On 27 April, the French Grand Prix was officially postponed.
The season is now tentatively scheduled to begin with the Austrian Grand Prix on 5 July, subject to any further cancellations or complications. The current idea is for two races to be held in Austria, on 5 and 12 July, followed by two races in Great Britain at Silverstone, on 19 and 26 July, with the rest of the calendar rewritten to ultimately create a season of 15 to 18 races. Early races would likely be held behind closed doors without spectators, with the hope that restriction could be eased later in the year.
- - - - -
On 28 May, a new European calendar was tentatively reported. Austria will still host the opening two rounds on 5 and 12 July, but the two races at Silverstone would be pushed back into August following the UK government's new quarantine restrictions for people entering the UK (with Germany filling in if the British races don't go ahead). Hungary and Spain would fill in around Austria and the UK, with Belgium and Italy retaining their previous dates and further races outside Europe to follow. Also on 28 May, the Dutch Grand Prix was officially cancelled.
On 10 July, Mugello in Italy (new to F1) and Russia confirmed dates for September.
On 24 July, the US, Mexican and Brazilian Grands Prix were cancelled. Canada was also confirmed to be cancelled. Also, the Nurburgring in Germany, Imola in Italy, and Portimao in Portugal (the latter new to F1) confirmed dates to expand the season.
On 26 August, four more races at three venues - Istanbul Park in Turkey (returning after nine years off the calendar), Sakhir in Bahrain, and Yas Marina in Abu Dhabi, were confirmed to conclude the season. Bahrain will host two races using two different layouts of the track.
The new season so far looks like this:
- Round 1: Spielberg, Austria - 5 July
- Round 2: Spielberg, Austria (Styrian GP) - 12 July
- Round 3: Budapest, Hungary - 19 July
- Round 4: Silverstone, Great Britain - 2 August
- Round 5: Silverstone, Great Britain (70th Anniversary GP) - 9 August
- Round 6: Barcelona, Spain - 16 August
- Round 7: Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium - 30 August
- Round 8: Monza, Italy - 6 September
- Round 9: Mugello, Italy - 13 September
- Round 10: Sochi, Russia - 27 September
- Round 11: Nurburgring, Germany - 11 October
- Round 12: Portimao, Portugal - 25 October
- Round 13: Imola, Italy - 1 November
- Round 14: Istanbul Park, Turkey - 15 November
- Round 15: Sakhir, Bahrain - 29 November
- Round 16: Sakhir, Bahrain (outer circuit) - 6 December
- Round 17: Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi - 13 December
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(Sorry to have cut off the thread right after this, @Snicketysnick ! )
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:P
that’s wildly stupid
Still no announcement on the Merc second seat. Possible that they're holding off on an announcement until Bottas has his future sorted. They couldn't seriously be considering keeping him after all, surely?
stranger things have happened but yeah...
https://www.ft.com/content/243b02b8-edae-44e5-8dad-1a6a66bf154f
NFTs of Mazespin's first spin will go to the moon
Any excuse to see the Jordan 191 again as well, one of the most beautiful F1 cars ever built.
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I could only find the German trailer.
Ok, here it is with english subtitles:
https://www.alpinecars.com/en/news_f1/alpine-f1-team-confirms-fernando-alonso-for-2022/
Up until Baku, it was all Ocon. He consistently outperformed Alonso and was scoring points in a relatively weak Alpine. At the same time Alonso was struggling and the whole comeback started to look like a mistake after very weak performances in Monaco and Spain. Just before the French GP Ocon is given what is, by F1 standards at least, quite a long contract extension and is set as the team leader going forward.
From Baku onwards though, Alonso kicks it up a gear and starts to consistently outperform Ocon. The situation is completely reversed with weak performances from Ocon while Alonso is off scoring points. There are whispers questioning if the Ocon contract was the right move. Then Hungary happens of course. The result obviously does wonders for Ocon, but it is somewhat hard to judge relative performance given how bizarre the race was. After all, the difference between Alonso and Ocon in the race was almost entirely down to the first corner - they enter T1 at about the same time, Alonso goes to the outside and has to dodge the carnage, Ocon goes to the inside and has a relatively clear path to P2 while Stoll essentially 'clears the way' for him.
(Credit Reddit/Imgur/Kym Illman)
It'll be interesting if this changes Mercedes's calculus regarding Russell at all. IMO the big threat if they gave Bottas another year was that Russell could take Perez's seat, and that's off the table now.
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The other issue now is that Pérez now has the rest of the season to just perform without worrying about next year. As of today, Bottas does not. If they switch right now, they risk having him "switch off."
It was brought up in in the aftermath of the Aitken incident, but that Eua Rouge/Radillion is possibly the most dangerous corner on the F1 calendar. High speed, blind crest and a high possibility of cars being thrown back into the track all set up the possibility of a serious and unavoidable accident. It cost Anthoine Hubert his life. It's an iconic corner on the motorsport calendar and ideally nobody wants to lose its character, but clearly some form of improvement is needed.
That's one, at least!
Fan tweet, but worthy of note. Still need confirmation on all.
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I'm hearing as well that, perhaps due to recent storms, a bump has appeared right in the compression area of Eau Rouge. If that's the case then it seems a tad reckless to continue as is, and perhaps a temporary chicane needs installing like they used in 1994 until they can properly investigate and repair that if need be. It would rob the circuit of much of its challenge and fun for both drivers and spectators, but I'd rather that than see anyone get badly hurt. That W Series crash only didn't have that by sheer luck, by the looks of it - there's only so much the cars' safety features can do.
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Probably the same thing as the first 4-5, getting surprised by lack of grip after committing to a corner you can't see through. (not trying to be mean, just saying I don't think there was anything they could do).
Unrelated, someone had said they were looking for races/seasons to watch on F1 TV and I'm cleaning up old files and found "Brazil 2008 F1 race" written in one note. No idea, but it's probably interesting!
e: Unrelated, but relevant to the GP, Max crashed at the end of FP2. Bent his front and rear suspension, may have put some stress on the gearbox and engine since he slid in backwards.
Brazil 2008 was one of those "holy shit" moments, so yeah!
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Possibly saw the car spinning towards the centre/right of the track in front of them, and was likely unable to see the existing pileup before it was too late. That's just me speculating though.
This session though we had a really interesting point of view - a drivers eye level camera inside Alonso's helmet! It gives a really good idea of just how fast it is through there, and just how little you can see.
Also that broadcast replay of the crash is terrifying.
I was the one asking, and I'll be watching this later!
Thank you!
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They already are, just couldn't happen in time for this year.