Hah ha! Those are Mark Millar movies?! People will just say they like em too like they're not embarassed, crazy
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I liked the first two kingsmen movies. They have a lot to say of class warfare and the war on drugs.
The latest one. Yeah, it started to say stuff, like three different things, and then it just stopped. It’s not offensively bad (the credits scene was the worst part of the movie), but it is no where near a good movie.
The one thing I appreciated about Kings Man was it clearly realized that there was no point trying to come up with a evil villain plot that's worse than the actual events of WWI.
I thought the first Kingsman was an okay time with some dumb bits (the reward of sex really has to crop up in this silly action film huh) and nothing I've seen has made me want to watch the next two
Did set me up for an surprise that I liked Taron Egerton so much in Rocketman
I thought the first Kingsman was an okay time with some dumb bits (the reward of sex really has to crop up in this silly action film huh) and nothing I've seen has made me want to watch the next two
Did set me up for an surprise that I liked Taron Egerton so much in Rocketman
I still can't get over how showy and fabulous the 'drug-fueled downward spiral' section was. Surely Elton had a strong hand in that particular choice.
I think there's also a bit in the King's Man where they have to stop America's most racist President (which is a LOFTY title to hold) from being blackmailed so he can do war
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I haven't seen it but does he beat Jackson? Because that's a high goddamn hurdle
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It is very funny to me that the movie Antlers explicitly shows the book Dangerous Spirits, the book that I learned the vast majority of what I know about wendigo from, and yet seems to have largely ignored everything that said book had to say about wendigo mythology and the significance thereof
Not haha funny and not terribly surprising, but that's the word I've got for it
I thought the first Kingsman was an okay time with some dumb bits (the reward of sex really has to crop up in this silly action film huh) and nothing I've seen has made me want to watch the next two
Did set me up for an surprise that I liked Taron Egerton so much in Rocketman
I still can't get over how showy and fabulous the 'drug-fueled downward spiral' section was. Surely Elton had a strong hand in that particular choice.
The re-contextualizing of one of his biggest hits to be about his lowest moment, the pit crew paramedics, the forced smile right before he goes on stage.
It is very funny to me that the movie Antlers explicitly shows the book Dangerous Spirits, the book that I learned the vast majority of what I know about wendigo from, and yet seems to have largely ignored everything that said book had to say about wendigo mythology and the significance thereof
Not haha funny and not terribly surprising, but that's the word I've got for it
That sounds more like what I would describe as "stupid and terrible".
I haven't seen it but does he beat Jackson? Because that's a high goddamn hurdle
Wasn't Wilson a high-ranking member of the KKK?
I’m not aware of that. I’m not saying he wasn’t. He very well might have been. He wrote an incredibly racist book that defended the KKK. It was so racist, that it was quoted in Birth of a Nation (which actually omitted the most racist part of the quote).
He also fired the majority of black supervisors and managers in federal jobs, and actually resegregated all federal agencies.
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Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
It is very funny to me that the movie Antlers explicitly shows the book Dangerous Spirits, the book that I learned the vast majority of what I know about wendigo from, and yet seems to have largely ignored everything that said book had to say about wendigo mythology and the significance thereof
Not haha funny and not terribly surprising, but that's the word I've got for it
That sounds more like what I would describe as "stupid and terrible".
The wild bit is that the short story it’s based off has no mention of the wendigo at all, it’s just a weird monster.
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I think there is a way that the movie could have made the wendigo thing work and fall mostly in line with traditional Ojibwe mythology
Spoilers for the ending of Antlers
I think you still kill the father (although I'd change the heart of fire to a heart of ice), he's gone fully monstrous at that point.
But then you have the little boy, and maybe Keri Russell goes to kill him but is stopped by Lucas, who insists that he hasn't turned yet and he can be saved. The wendigo traditionally represents greed and selfishness, but in that also represents isolation from a community (specifically it is the sort of greed that separates you from your community) - if Lucas can still love him and take care of him then maybe he will get better.
This also works a whole hell of a lot better with the abuse metaphors that the movie was trying for, I do not think "this child has been abused and grew up in a bad situation and therefore is irredeemable and will become a monster just like his father" is really a good message to go for.
Of course it still would be a movie made almost entirely by white people (thanks Graham Greene for the couple of exposition scenes) about Ojibwe mythology, set in Oregon for some reason? So I'm not sure how much there is worth saving.
I think there is a way that the movie could have made the wendigo thing work and fall mostly in line with traditional Ojibwe mythology
Spoilers for the ending of Antlers
I think you still kill the father (although I'd change the heart of fire to a heart of ice), he's gone fully monstrous at that point.
But then you have the little boy, and maybe Keri Russell goes to kill him but is stopped by Lucas, who insists that he hasn't turned yet and he can be saved. The wendigo traditionally represents greed and selfishness, but in that also represents isolation from a community (specifically it is the sort of greed that separates you from your community) - if Lucas can still love him and take care of him then maybe he will get better.
This also works a whole hell of a lot better with the abuse metaphors that the movie was trying for, I do not think "this child has been abused and grew up in a bad situation and therefore is irredeemable and will become a monster just like his father" is really a good message to go for.
Of course it still would be a movie made almost entirely by white people (thanks Graham Greene for the couple of exposition scenes) about Ojibwe mythology, set in Oregon for some reason? So I'm not sure how much there is worth saving.
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The Quiet Boy, the short story the movie is based on, has no mention of the wendigo, so that's something the script writers/producers/director had added in for the movie
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WW1 doesn't gain anything from having a mastermind plotting it. As part of a narrative it's better showing how we can do reallt bad stuff sometimes.
Wonder Woman sadly fell short on this.
I've said it before, but Ares as the villian was such a misplay in the movie. Keep him in, keep his backstory, keep WW chasing him and then bam, the reveal is that oh fuck, he's not behind it. That mild mannered public servant working hard for peace? That's who Ares is now having had plenty of time to reflect how wasteful and fucked war is. (You can even get some pathos or of him slowly becoming mortal and losing his powers since he's abandoned his role as a god, even).
Ares is genuine. There's no bad guy for WW to punch except human nature, which is often ugly. Wanna justify her withdrawing from the world? This would make sense!
Instead we got a cg punch fest. And we're not gonna talk about 1982 because yeeesh.
WW1 doesn't gain anything from having a mastermind plotting it. As part of a narrative it's better showing how we can do reallt bad stuff sometimes.
Wonder Woman sadly fell short on this.
I've said it before, but Ares as the villian was such a misplay in the movie. Keep him in, keep his backstory, keep WW chasing him and then bam, the reveal is that oh fuck, he's not behind it. That mild mannered public servant working hard for peace? That's who Ares is now having had plenty of time to reflect how wasteful and fucked war is. (You can even get some pathos or of him slowly becoming mortal and losing his powers since he's abandoned his role as a god, even).
Ares is genuine. There's no bad guy for WW to punch except human nature, which is often ugly. Wanna justify her withdrawing from the world? This would make sense!
Instead we got a cg punch fest. And we're not gonna talk about 1982 because yeeesh.
It's well-trod genre territory, but then, so are big CGI fights at this point; and especially for something like this, it fits. We don't need gods to make us give us an excuse to behave badly anymore; we can do that just fine on our own, thanks. They're just there to blame for what we are, now, and if I were one I might be well tired of it. "No, you don't get to put this on me, this is all you."
I don't agree with making Ares a reformed warlord, but I think his role should've been more just, hanging out as a regular soldier. Ares is a battler, he's the sharp edge of the axe and the blood from the wound. He exists to be inside the whirlwind, not blowing the wind itself
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I don't agree with making Ares a reformed warlord, but I think his role should've been more just, hanging out as a regular soldier. Ares is a battler, he's the sharp edge of the axe and the blood from the wound. He exists to be inside the whirlwind, not blowing the wind itself
I would like him to just be tired of everything and be exhausted with WW1 and having to be there.
Making him the 'cause' of WW1 is especially bad considering how much of WW1 was a tragedy of errors.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I don't agree with making Ares a reformed warlord, but I think his role should've been more just, hanging out as a regular soldier. Ares is a battler, he's the sharp edge of the axe and the blood from the wound. He exists to be inside the whirlwind, not blowing the wind itself
I would like him to just be tired of everything and be exhausted with WW1 and having to be there.
Making him the 'cause' of WW1 is especially bad considering how much of WW1 was a tragedy of errors.
I really liked the Azzarello/Chiang version of Ares, just old and worn out, unable to find any joy in war anymore
The twist should have been the war wasn't happening because Ares was there, but that Ares was there because the war was happening. He's not the predator chowing down on his most recent kill; his the vulture picking through the leftovers of someone else's work. But now that he's found an easy meal, he will stand in the way of Diana, or anyone else, ending the war and his mealticket.
The twist should have been the war wasn't happening because Ares was there, but that Ares was there because the war was happening. He's not the predator chowing down on his most recent kill; his the vulture picking through the leftovers of someone else's work. But now that he's found an easy meal, he will stand in the way of Diana, or anyone else, ending the war and his mealticket.
The twist should have been the war wasn't happening because Ares was there, but that Ares was there because the war was happening. He's not the predator chowing down on his most recent kill; his the vulture picking through the leftovers of someone else's work. But now that he's found an easy meal, he will stand in the way of Diana, or anyone else, ending the war and his mealticket.
That was the twist, basically.
Nah, war immediately ends when Ares gets popped. Literally soldiers on opposing sides start picking each other up and dusting themselvez off, as if coming out a hypnotic war stupor.
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The latest one. Yeah, it started to say stuff, like three different things, and then it just stopped. It’s not offensively bad (the credits scene was the worst part of the movie), but it is no where near a good movie.
Satans..... hints.....
Wonder Woman sadly fell short on this.
Did set me up for an surprise that I liked Taron Egerton so much in Rocketman
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I still can't get over how showy and fabulous the 'drug-fueled downward spiral' section was. Surely Elton had a strong hand in that particular choice.
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Not haha funny and not terribly surprising, but that's the word I've got for it
The re-contextualizing of one of his biggest hits to be about his lowest moment, the pit crew paramedics, the forced smile right before he goes on stage.
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That sounds more like what I would describe as "stupid and terrible".
I don't know if it's better or worse that it's currently backfiring in favor of
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I mean, it’ll just be a 5 second on screen graphic while going to commercial, but still.
I’m not aware of that. I’m not saying he wasn’t. He very well might have been. He wrote an incredibly racist book that defended the KKK. It was so racist, that it was quoted in Birth of a Nation (which actually omitted the most racist part of the quote).
He also fired the majority of black supervisors and managers in federal jobs, and actually resegregated all federal agencies.
The wild bit is that the short story it’s based off has no mention of the wendigo at all, it’s just a weird monster.
Spoilers for the ending of Antlers
But then you have the little boy, and maybe Keri Russell goes to kill him but is stopped by Lucas, who insists that he hasn't turned yet and he can be saved. The wendigo traditionally represents greed and selfishness, but in that also represents isolation from a community (specifically it is the sort of greed that separates you from your community) - if Lucas can still love him and take care of him then maybe he will get better.
This also works a whole hell of a lot better with the abuse metaphors that the movie was trying for, I do not think "this child has been abused and grew up in a bad situation and therefore is irredeemable and will become a monster just like his father" is really a good message to go for.
Of course it still would be a movie made almost entirely by white people (thanks Graham Greene for the couple of exposition scenes) about Ojibwe mythology, set in Oregon for some reason? So I'm not sure how much there is worth saving.
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It tries to be "war is bad and awful" serious but also still have the goofy action of the first two and it's just a tonal whiplash.
And yeah, the mid credit scene is so ill advised and borderline offensive.
minor spoilers for Antlers
I've said it before, but Ares as the villian was such a misplay in the movie. Keep him in, keep his backstory, keep WW chasing him and then bam, the reveal is that oh fuck, he's not behind it. That mild mannered public servant working hard for peace? That's who Ares is now having had plenty of time to reflect how wasteful and fucked war is. (You can even get some pathos or of him slowly becoming mortal and losing his powers since he's abandoned his role as a god, even).
Ares is genuine. There's no bad guy for WW to punch except human nature, which is often ugly. Wanna justify her withdrawing from the world? This would make sense!
Instead we got a cg punch fest. And we're not gonna talk about 1982 because yeeesh.
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It's well-trod genre territory, but then, so are big CGI fights at this point; and especially for something like this, it fits. We don't need gods to make us give us an excuse to behave badly anymore; we can do that just fine on our own, thanks. They're just there to blame for what we are, now, and if I were one I might be well tired of it. "No, you don't get to put this on me, this is all you."
I would like him to just be tired of everything and be exhausted with WW1 and having to be there.
Making him the 'cause' of WW1 is especially bad considering how much of WW1 was a tragedy of errors.
That was kinda the nice thing about the first Dr Strange movie. It was still a CGI fest but at least it wasn't about who can punch the hardest.
Exactly what I was about to say
I really liked the Azzarello/Chiang version of Ares, just old and worn out, unable to find any joy in war anymore
Shocking, I know...
That was the twist, basically.
Nah, war immediately ends when Ares gets popped. Literally soldiers on opposing sides start picking each other up and dusting themselvez off, as if coming out a hypnotic war stupor.
Hooooooboy that movie was not good.