DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
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Menu might have been a bit of an exaggeration(or maybe not it's been almost two decades) but either way the load times were long af.
I remember giving up finishing it because 1/3 of the way in I realized I missed one of the missable 108 and didn't want to deal with all the loading from the beginning again.
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silence1186Character shields down!As a wingmanRegistered Userregular
I started Tales of Arise somewhere between Sept. 14th and 30th, and put ~82 hours (plus however many hours of restarts) into it over ~4 months, and finally Platinum-ed it.
It was good at times, and frustrating as hell at times (because of my own inadequacies), but overall it was enjoyable and satisfying.
Post-game spoilers:
The quest to fight each lord in succession, then all four lords at once, two at a time, then a final boss afterwards, was bullshit.
Fights against one boss were fine, but against multiple targets finding windows to attack one enemy while another stabs you in the back and interrupts and stuns you was terrible.
Ended up turning on the Double Damage artifact and burning the world down before anything could touch me and stun lock me.
I'm thinking I jump into NEO TWEWY, but given the above rate that I complete games (being old, terrible, and working most of the time), I'm certain I won't finish it before Triangle Strategy comes out in March, so I'll probably play it for a bit then drop it and add it to my pile of unfinished games.
Suikoden 4 is dull as shit. There's nothing particular about it that I remember hating, but it just lacks...something.
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
On any given day I might switch 1 and 3, because when it comes down to it 1 hasn't really aged very well but also there is just so much about 3 I do not like, despite really loving a huge portion of the cast
You lead an army, build up a home base, and recruit up to 108 characters, done
How do you even keep track of that many people
That's what the base is for! You may be using many of them to take part in large scale army battles/base stuff but only your select favorites for the regular JRPG bits.
The series mostly has a premise of a Big Bad in the process of invading a relatively more peaceful region. Your main character gets thrust into the position of being the leader of a resistance group that gradually grows into a legitimate military power. You gain a base fairly early, and as you recruit characters it expands into a full-on town with shops and everything. The first two games offer some very high quality 2d sprite work, and the series as a whole tends to have a fantastic soundtrack.
You lead an army, build up a home base, and recruit up to 108 characters, done
How do you even keep track of that many people
That's the neat part, you don't!
You generally want to use a guide though, especially one that lists them in order of encounter. The Suikoden series is not only fond of having a very large cast, but also making a good portion of that cast permanently missable.
Kinda yeah, I think 2 or 5 are still well worth checking out sometime if you really are somewhat interested
Also worth noting Suikoden 2 and 5 are the most wildly expensive entries in the series, so... yeah. Fortunately you can still get Suikoden 2 as a PSOne classic on the Playstation store via PSP/Vita/PS3. Suikoden 5 never went up digitally.
Luca Blight from Suikoden 2 still somehow feels more powerful and dangerous than 99% of JRPG villains.
I can't think of any enemy in any game that's ever been treated with that amount of like, respect as a threat, in gameplay terms.
You attack him with an army and then cycle through three full parties of player characters. And he's just some fucking dude who happens to be the strongest human in the setting, no True Rune or special bullshit powers, he's just too much of an asshole to be defeated.
You lead an army, build up a home base, and recruit up to 108 characters, done
How do you even keep track of that many people
That's the neat part, you don't!
You generally want to use a guide though, especially one that lists them in order of encounter. The Suikoden series is not only fond of having a very large cast, but also making a good portion of that cast permanently missable.
Kinda yeah, I think 2 or 5 are still well worth checking out sometime if you really are somewhat interested
Also worth noting Suikoden 2 and 5 are the most wildly expensive entries in the series, so... yeah. Fortunately you can still get Suikoden 2 as a PSOne classic on the Playstation store via PSP/Vita/PS3. Suikoden 5 never went up digitally.
Welp, nevermind then because I don't have any of those options.
Luca Blight from Suikoden 2 still somehow feels more powerful and dangerous than 99% of JRPG villains.
I can't think of any enemy in any game that's ever been treated with that amount of like, respect as a threat, in gameplay terms.
You attack him with an army and then cycle through three full parties of player characters. And he's just some fucking dude who happens to be the strongest human in the setting, no True Rune or special bullshit powers, he's just too much of an asshole to be defeated.
He has the True Beast Rune at the point you throw your entire army at him, though even before that he was absurdly strong. I agree that the game does a great job establishing him as a threat.
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
I would say if you want to check out the series, you should definitely find some way to play either 2 or 5
Luca Blight from Suikoden 2 still somehow feels more powerful and dangerous than 99% of JRPG villains.
I can't think of any enemy in any game that's ever been treated with that amount of like, respect as a threat, in gameplay terms.
You attack him with an army and then cycle through three full parties of player characters. And he's just some fucking dude who happens to be the strongest human in the setting, no True Rune or special bullshit powers, he's just too much of an asshole to be defeated.
He has the True Beast Rune at the point you throw your entire army at him, though even before that he was absurdly strong. I agree that the game does a great job establishing him as a threat.
I don't think that's quite right.
True Beast Rune can't be borne by a person, it's sitting in the palace the whole time. He wanted to wake it up and let it kill everyone, but he wasn't walking around empowered by it.
Luca Blight from Suikoden 2 still somehow feels more powerful and dangerous than 99% of JRPG villains.
I can't think of any enemy in any game that's ever been treated with that amount of like, respect as a threat, in gameplay terms.
You attack him with an army and then cycle through three full parties of player characters. And he's just some fucking dude who happens to be the strongest human in the setting, no True Rune or special bullshit powers, he's just too much of an asshole to be defeated.
He has the True Beast Rune at the point you throw your entire army at him, though even before that he was absurdly strong. I agree that the game does a great job establishing him as a threat.
I loved him as a villain back when the game came out, but having played the opening hours of the game recently he's just so one note Extreme! evil bad guy. Maybe I just liked that they really amped up the villainy? Who knows.
Luca Blight from Suikoden 2 still somehow feels more powerful and dangerous than 99% of JRPG villains.
I can't think of any enemy in any game that's ever been treated with that amount of like, respect as a threat, in gameplay terms.
You attack him with an army and then cycle through three full parties of player characters. And he's just some fucking dude who happens to be the strongest human in the setting, no True Rune or special bullshit powers, he's just too much of an asshole to be defeated.
He has the True Beast Rune at the point you throw your entire army at him, though even before that he was absurdly strong. I agree that the game does a great job establishing him as a threat.
I loved him as a villain back when the game came out, but having played the opening hours of the game recently he's just so one note Extreme! evil bad guy. Maybe I just liked that they really amped up the villainy? Who knows.
Oh yeah he's a one-note idiot who loves being evil.
Suikoden II just does an incredible job selling him as a threat.
Luca Blight from Suikoden 2 still somehow feels more powerful and dangerous than 99% of JRPG villains.
I can't think of any enemy in any game that's ever been treated with that amount of like, respect as a threat, in gameplay terms.
You attack him with an army and then cycle through three full parties of player characters. And he's just some fucking dude who happens to be the strongest human in the setting, no True Rune or special bullshit powers, he's just too much of an asshole to be defeated.
He has the True Beast Rune at the point you throw your entire army at him, though even before that he was absurdly strong. I agree that the game does a great job establishing him as a threat.
I don't think that's quite right.
True Beast Rune can't be borne by a person, it's sitting in the palace the whole time. He wanted to wake it up and let it kill everyone, but he wasn't walking around empowered by it.
Huh! I missed that.
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BlackDragon480Bluster KerfuffleMaster of Windy ImportRegistered Userregular
Luca is indeed a badass and man that one should not try to fuck with if they can avoid it.
He's right up there with Lezard Valeth from the first 2 Valkyrie Profile games for best antagonist of that era of PSX and PS2 RPGs.
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I remember giving up finishing it because 1/3 of the way in I realized I missed one of the missable 108 and didn't want to deal with all the loading from the beginning again.
It was good at times, and frustrating as hell at times (because of my own inadequacies), but overall it was enjoyable and satisfying.
Post-game spoilers:
Fights against one boss were fine, but against multiple targets finding windows to attack one enemy while another stabs you in the back and interrupts and stuns you was terrible.
Ended up turning on the Double Damage artifact and burning the world down before anything could touch me and stun lock me.
I'm thinking I jump into NEO TWEWY, but given the above rate that I complete games (being old, terrible, and working most of the time), I'm certain I won't finish it before Triangle Strategy comes out in March, so I'll probably play it for a bit then drop it and add it to my pile of unfinished games.
It seems like doing end game stuff means a lot of fiddling with crafting accessories, maybe? Which feels like a lot of work
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That was one of those intros I watched so many damn times as a kid.
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Then I didn't even play 4 cause every suikoden fan I know said it was terrible.
I only played 2, but it plays like a standard JRPG, but you can get a lot of party members.
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How do you even keep track of that many people
So like while you recruit Sword Guy 1, 2, and 3, you also recruit a blacksmith, a chef, a gardener, and so on and so forth
That's what the base is for! You may be using many of them to take part in large scale army battles/base stuff but only your select favorites for the regular JRPG bits.
Oh so kind of like getting the ship crew together in Skies of Arcadia then. Just on a way bigger scale.
That's the neat part, you don't!
You generally want to use a guide though, especially one that lists them in order of encounter. The Suikoden series is not only fond of having a very large cast, but also making a good portion of that cast permanently missable.
Also worth noting Suikoden 2 and 5 are the most wildly expensive entries in the series, so... yeah. Fortunately you can still get Suikoden 2 as a PSOne classic on the Playstation store via PSP/Vita/PS3. Suikoden 5 never went up digitally.
I can't think of any enemy in any game that's ever been treated with that amount of like, respect as a threat, in gameplay terms.
Welp, nevermind then because I don't have any of those options.
It is the best! But I liked 3 and 5 better.
I don't think that's quite right.
I loved him as a villain back when the game came out, but having played the opening hours of the game recently he's just so one note Extreme! evil bad guy. Maybe I just liked that they really amped up the villainy? Who knows.
Oh yeah he's a one-note idiot who loves being evil.
Suikoden II just does an incredible job selling him as a threat.
Huh! I missed that.
He's right up there with Lezard Valeth from the first 2 Valkyrie Profile games for best antagonist of that era of PSX and PS2 RPGs.
~ Buckaroo Banzai