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The Kyle Rittenhouse Thread In Which We Take As a Given That Kyle Was Wrong and Stupid
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I've had it taught to me in the context of workplace shootings where the "fight" comes in when you're basically boxed into a room with no escape and the dude is coming at you. If "run" isn't an option and "hide" isn't an option, your choices are "fight" and "stand there and stare blankly", in which case yeah, may as well fight. "Tell someone" in that context is nonsensical.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Basically, my company runs commercial and retail real estate, and while active shooters are rare (in the country in general, and our properties specifically), it’s not unheard of.
So I wouldn’t dream of saying “Canada does it this way too”, but that sequence definitely exists in some “dear *deity* I hope we never need to enact this” contingency planning binders/files.
I wouldn’t call it universal, but it’s not unheard of either.
I dunno but in the states it means I get to punch you in the arm.
It is willfully ignorant to say that he is just doing the ok hand sign.
I guess don't punch japanese tourists (unless they deserve it)
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Imagine how scuba divers must feel
Need to respond in a way that is familiar to them...kancho!
~ Buckaroo Banzai
Yeah culture that grows up around living in a place where being prepared for some asshole with an AR15 trying to set a new high score in a school, workplace, church, nightclub, grocery store, or really anywhere is just part of life leads to some unique stuff.
The point with a mass shooter is they are going to kill as many people as they can until they either get killed by the cops, or kill themselves when they get boxed in. So it basically becomes some perverted race where you get out completely, you make yourself a less attractive target than someone else by barricading a position (hide), or you fight (or just die, there is no deescalation). And everything is buying time for SWAT to get there and box them in enough they decide they lost and pop themselves.
In the open, if you think Rittenhouse is an active shooter as Americans are trained to expect anywhere at any time, running might work unless he is already singling you out to shoot you in the back, there is nowhere to hide, and if you are in the open and have no alternative you go after them with all possible violence. And let's face it, other than popping himself at the end Rittenhouse fits the mass shooter profile to a T.
Imagine how Mac Tonight feels.
https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/moon-man
The whole thing is very frustrating as someone who keeps catching myself using the OK signal as an actual OK signal as I always have, and then beating myself up about it when I remember this new meaning after the fact.
Okay, I see it now.
*Reasons* being he was spooked by the noise she made approaching the police car, and so he shot her.
I mean the judge has basically said it’s fine so like I said earlier it’s only reasonable for everyone to start going around strapped at all times.
To be fair, they were convicted for it, which feels basically impossible for a cop these days.
I don't necessarily disagree. The way our legal dept explained it to me (I work for one of the world's largest global software companies) when I was building this training was that they cannot emphasize fight as an option in most countries for legal reasons. The US was literally the only version of the training that was localized to add "fight" into the mix.
I think the idea that, if you're cornered, yes you should fight for your life is supposed to be considered common sense but should not be emphasized - as the most desirable outcome of the situation is just removing yourself from it. So it's not an "or" statement. It's an "and" statement.
Not saying it isn't silly mind you but I do think it's an interesting thing how the concept is addressed across geos.
They went through the scenarios, and then gave us a light gun to shoot back. And instead of Run Hide Fight, it was Be aware, Run, Pull your gun and shoot back. I'm not making this up.
And then afterwards that entire branch of the company went to the gun range (attached to the training area) and got to squeeze off 100 rounds.
So...um...did they equip every employee with a gun to keep at their desk? Because that seems like kind of pointless training if you're not going to actually be armed and have a gun handy if / when a shooter comes in.
And on the flip side, if you're actually going to arm everyone in the office at all times, that sounds fucking utterly insane.
The whole thing seems like pretty good training for an active shooter.
Not much use against active shooters, but that clearly wasn't the intention.
It wasn't a super big office, for that division.
Wow! I literally uttered "holy fuck" as I read your post.
This was implanting the idea that you dont have to worry about shooters, someone will be armed and save you if it does happen. So gun violence can't be a problem, good guys with guns exist!
I'm picturing a ridiculous scenario where the loud sound of a gun going off in the office makes a series of life-preserving guns drop from the ceiling like oxygen devices in an airplane.
Sounds more like it was someone using the company checkbook to go have a 'fun day at the range' and pretend it was some sort of meaningful training / teambuilding activity.
I doubt there was really much more thought to it than that. Someone got to spend $X and decided to indulge the thing they thought would be fun.
Yeah...That was a really weird day at work. But shooting guns at the range is a lot of fun. Also one of the employees brought his AR-15 to the range and I got to squeeze off 30 rounds, but he had 3D printed a custom drum magazine, and it kept jamming so I went back to the 1911 that was rented for me.
While just debating the Rittenhouse verdict with a conservative family member they tried to justify Rittenhouse shooting of Grosskreutz due to Grosskreutz pointing a gun at him. I pointed out that that was because Rittenhouse was an active shooter at that point and if anything their argument should prove the lie of “good guy with a gun”. They replied that Grosskreutz should have called 911 if he thought Rittenhouse was a threat.
The mental gymnastics is infuriating.
Sounds about right for certain classes of business and services around here.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
It's always comical how close those people get to the hard reality behind an event without ever realizing it. There was no 911 to call because the Kenosha police basically declared it a purge zone for the night and sat back to let the white supremacists have some fun.