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  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    They're probably saving stretchy stuff for Mr. Fantastic.

  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Stretchy stuff also has, historically, looked like shit, especially on a TV budget.

  • QuetziQuetzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User, Moderator mod
    The stretchy powers are not only a good puberty metaphor, they were also used, I believe, with the intent of having a teen girl hero with kind of gross powers, as opposed to, say, bright purple hard light projections.

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    The stretchy powers are not only a good puberty metaphor, they were also used, I believe, with the intent of having a teen girl hero with kind of gross powers, as opposed to, say, bright purple hard light projections.

    The creator literally called out specifically this kind of bright pink particle effect nonsense as being the kind of thing girls usually get a superpowers which she was trying to avoid.

    But nah this is a nitpick.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    I have a feeling they originally shot it the way it was normally portrayed, and it looked like shit so they changed it. Because they did reshoots for the show not long ago. I understand it's part of the character's design but let's not jump to conclusions that they can't make this powerset work in a similar way for her. Calling it pink sparkle magic is more degrading than what it actually is, a cool power fantasy for kids. Marvel has a pretty good track record so far so I'd atleast watch it before getting out the pitchforks

  • DirtyboyDirtyboy Registered User regular
    I think they Avengers game did a really good interpretation of Kamala. She was a good character and fun to play.

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    I have a feeling they originally shot it the way it was normally portrayed, and it looked like shit so they changed it. Because they did reshoots for the show not long ago. I understand it's part of the character's design but let's not jump to conclusions that they can't make this powerset work in a similar way for her. Calling it pink sparkle magic is more degrading than what it actually is, a cool power fantasy for kids. Marvel has a pretty good track record so far so I'd atleast watch it before getting out the pitchforks

    fuck that, kids should learn that gross powers are also good

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    I’m finally watching it.

    I kind of hope (spoilers for previous Spider-Mans)
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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited March 2022
    Mysst wrote: »
    I have a feeling they originally shot it the way it was normally portrayed, and it looked like shit so they changed it. Because they did reshoots for the show not long ago. I understand it's part of the character's design but let's not jump to conclusions that they can't make this powerset work in a similar way for her. Calling it pink sparkle magic is more degrading than what it actually is, a cool power fantasy for kids. Marvel has a pretty good track record so far so I'd atleast watch it before getting out the pitchforks

    fuck that, kids should learn that gross powers are also good

    Most kids didn't wanna be Beak or even the ever-loving blue-eyed Thing. They wanna be Wolverine or Spider-Man.

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  • AJRAJR Some guy who wrestles NorwichRegistered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    The stretchy powers are not only a good puberty metaphor, they were also used, I believe, with the intent of having a teen girl hero with kind of gross powers, as opposed to, say, bright purple hard light projections.

    Absolutely. I've only read the early run of Ms Marvel, but I like how they go out of the way to show her powers as being kind of gross, in contrast to the cooler powers of the people she idolises. People find her weird normally, and when she's got her powers it doesn't change that, if anything people are even more weirded out. But she just pushes through and keeps going.

    It feels like its going for a somewhat cleaner tone while still keeping a similar style of humour and covering the same basic beats. I could be wrong, and it probably doesn't matter anyway since I'm not the target audience. Either way, I still think its kind of cool to see the character getting a big budget tv series.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited March 2022
    This part of Spider-Man No Way Home (big spoilers)
    Feels like someone was messing around too much with Garry’s Mod or something.

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    I have a feeling they originally shot it the way it was normally portrayed, and it looked like shit so they changed it. Because they did reshoots for the show not long ago. I understand it's part of the character's design but let's not jump to conclusions that they can't make this powerset work in a similar way for her. Calling it pink sparkle magic is more degrading than what it actually is, a cool power fantasy for kids. Marvel has a pretty good track record so far so I'd atleast watch it before getting out the pitchforks

    Considering how many scenes from the trailer involve a completely different power set I doubt it. I also feel like you're reacting weird to people having a negative reaction to this specific thing. It might still be good. Nobody is getting pitchforks out. We just commented on it not being our preferred choice.

    As for whether it's degrading I don't really think as someone who presents as a cis man that I really have much room to talk here but I have heard women complain about this a lot. About the need to be pretty and everything you do even if the thing you're doing is writing a comic about a woman with superpowers.

    Like it's another example look at wolverine and how when they made a female wolverine she still was required to be traditionally pretty in a very specific way. Even the feet blades correspond to how women are "supposed" to fight.

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    Mysst wrote: »
    I have a feeling they originally shot it the way it was normally portrayed, and it looked like shit so they changed it. Because they did reshoots for the show not long ago. I understand it's part of the character's design but let's not jump to conclusions that they can't make this powerset work in a similar way for her. Calling it pink sparkle magic is more degrading than what it actually is, a cool power fantasy for kids. Marvel has a pretty good track record so far so I'd atleast watch it before getting out the pitchforks

    fuck that, kids should learn that gross powers are also good

    Most kids didn't wanna be Beak or even the ever-loving blue-eyed Thing. They wanna be Wolverine or Spider-Man.

    too bad for them, eh

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    I will defend the stretching and shapechanging powers in the comics, exactly for the reasons already mentioned.

    OTOH I really don't think you can make that shit look remotely good in live action basically ever. CG artists still have enough trouble just trying to make mouths and faces stretch properly without plunging into the uncanny valley when they're trying to be realistic. It would look terrible, unless she's constantly wearing like a rubber latex suit, in which case it'll just look like bad latex stretching instead. Also like, just plain nobody wants to watch that sorta body morphing, it looks simultaneously gross and dumb.

    If done well I think you can still retain the thematic weight of the puberty/shapechanging/identity metaphors of her powers through good writing instead.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    To me it sounds like Kamala is only great to some folks because she's got Luffy powers, when I doubt the powerset is the only appealing thing to be had about the character. Keep in mind the child actor they got to play this kid is probably reading the internet lose it's collective mind over this and feeling like people already dislike her version of the character before we even get to see the show proper... Kinda like another hero... What's her name
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  • JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    Yes, the show can and probably will be good, but we can also be disappointed at the power change without instantly wanting to burn down everything to do this.

    Also I'm sure the internet's doing the internet thing elsewhere but people in here have been plenty reasonable and being lumped in with that is unnecessary.

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    you're not the one supposed to be doing the stretchin, bud

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    To me it sounds like Kamala is only great to some folks because she's got Luffy powers, when I doubt the powerset is the only appealing thing to be had about the character. Keep in mind the child actor they got to play this kid is probably reading the internet lose it's collective mind over this and feeling like people already dislike her version of the character before we even get to see the show proper... Kinda like another hero... What's her name..

    Don't pretend as if the specific powers of a superhero character are an arbitrary, minor detail. They're a key part of the character's identity and appeal. And super don't say "You can't criticize this show or you are bullying a teenage actress." That's outrageously out of line.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Mysst wrote: »
    you're not the one supposed to be doing the stretchin, bud

    It just wouldn't be a MCU property about a new female character with all the white male nerds quickly getting their hottest take together so they can nod solemnly in agreement, having satisfied one another with their commonality. Clearly the Muslim show runners are simply fools who cannot understand the experience of being a young Muslim girl in America.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    To me it sounds like Kamala is only great to some folks because she's got Luffy powers, when I doubt the powerset is the only appealing thing to be had about the character. Keep in mind the child actor they got to play this kid is probably reading the internet lose it's collective mind over this and feeling like people already dislike her version of the character before we even get to see the show proper... Kinda like another hero... What's her name..

    Don't pretend as if the specific powers of a superhero character are an arbitrary, minor detail. They're a key part of the character's identity and appeal. And super don't say "You can't criticize this show or you are bullying a teenage actress." That's outrageously out of line.

    I'm saying it's joining a chorus line of people poopooing a thing because it's different. The whole MCU is different than the comics and worked great, why are we throwing up our hands at this? I believe they can and will make it work

  • MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    To me it sounds like Kamala is only great to some folks because she's got Luffy powers, when I doubt the powerset is the only appealing thing to be had about the character. Keep in mind the child actor they got to play this kid is probably reading the internet lose it's collective mind over this and feeling like people already dislike her version of the character before we even get to see the show proper... Kinda like another hero... What's her name..

    Don't pretend as if the specific powers of a superhero character are an arbitrary, minor detail. They're a key part of the character's identity and appeal. And super don't say "You can't criticize this show or you are bullying a teenage actress." That's outrageously out of line.

    I'm saying it's joining a chorus line of people poopooing a thing because it's different. The whole MCU is different than the comics and worked great, why are we throwing up our hands at this? I believe they can and will make it work

    Because the character creator literally said she didn't want the kind of powers that the show gives her because its the generic teen girl power.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    You're entitled to your opinion. Of the show you haven't watched yet. Hell maybe it ends with her getting her traditional powers, who knows! This could all be for nothing because it's not even out yet... You see what I mean?

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    People are allowed to express opinions based on the materials Disney has chosen to release about this show, regardless of whether or not there are also a bunch of assholes out there who are going to act like toolbags about this show.

  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    That was really good.

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  • QuetziQuetzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Mysst wrote: »
    I have a feeling they originally shot it the way it was normally portrayed, and it looked like shit so they changed it. Because they did reshoots for the show not long ago. I understand it's part of the character's design but let's not jump to conclusions that they can't make this powerset work in a similar way for her. Calling it pink sparkle magic is more degrading than what it actually is, a cool power fantasy for kids. Marvel has a pretty good track record so far so I'd atleast watch it before getting out the pitchforks

    fuck that, kids should learn that gross powers are also good

    Most kids didn't wanna be Beak or even the ever-loving blue-eyed Thing. They wanna be Wolverine or Spider-Man.

    I mean, I disagree?

    Like, one of my partner's favorite X-Men is fucking Marrow, because that's the one that they felt was most similar to them when they encountered her as a teenager.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Mysst wrote: »
    I have a feeling they originally shot it the way it was normally portrayed, and it looked like shit so they changed it. Because they did reshoots for the show not long ago. I understand it's part of the character's design but let's not jump to conclusions that they can't make this powerset work in a similar way for her. Calling it pink sparkle magic is more degrading than what it actually is, a cool power fantasy for kids. Marvel has a pretty good track record so far so I'd atleast watch it before getting out the pitchforks

    fuck that, kids should learn that gross powers are also good

    Most kids didn't wanna be Beak or even the ever-loving blue-eyed Thing. They wanna be Wolverine or Spider-Man.

    I mean, I disagree?

    Like, one of my partner's favorite X-Men is fucking Marrow, because that's the one that they felt was most similar to them when they encountered her as a teenager.

    Marrow merch is just flying off the shelves these days

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    You're entitled to your opinion. Of the show you haven't watched yet. Hell maybe it ends with her getting her traditional powers, who knows! This could all be for nothing because it's not even out yet... You see what I mean?

    I mean she definitely isn't and that's not ideal. But no one's judging the show for that. People are judging that particular aspect. And for the record I'm voicing the complete specifically to amplify non-male voices who have been expressing this all over my Twitter. If it was just a bunch of white dudes getting angry at a thing you might have a point but right now you're kind of being weirdly defensive.

    Here's Zoe talking about it since you guys already have some familiarity with her. It's a thread



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  • QuetziQuetzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2022
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Mysst wrote: »
    I have a feeling they originally shot it the way it was normally portrayed, and it looked like shit so they changed it. Because they did reshoots for the show not long ago. I understand it's part of the character's design but let's not jump to conclusions that they can't make this powerset work in a similar way for her. Calling it pink sparkle magic is more degrading than what it actually is, a cool power fantasy for kids. Marvel has a pretty good track record so far so I'd atleast watch it before getting out the pitchforks

    fuck that, kids should learn that gross powers are also good

    Most kids didn't wanna be Beak or even the ever-loving blue-eyed Thing. They wanna be Wolverine or Spider-Man.

    I mean, I disagree?

    Like, one of my partner's favorite X-Men is fucking Marrow, because that's the one that they felt was most similar to them when they encountered her as a teenager.

    Marrow merch is just flying off the shelves these days


    No, of course not

    But that avenue ain't there, y'know?

    Like, we're never gonna know if that merch would fly off the shelves because they're not making it because one of the few characters that they could make it for they changed the powers to be a magic piece of jewelry that does purple sparkles

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    I guarantee that the storyboards started with stretchy powers then when they actually saw the effects said ‘no, it’s impossible to make stretching powers look good in love action’ then scrapped it. And I bet they were right. But scrapping the entire show would have been worse

  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    I guarantee that the storyboards started with stretchy powers then when they actually saw the effects said ‘no, it’s impossible to make stretching powers look good in love action’ then scrapped it. And I bet they were right. But scrapping the entire show would have been worse

    Is that a typo?

    I think there are ways to make stretching powers look good in love action.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    I guarantee that the storyboards started with stretchy powers then when they actually saw the effects said ‘no, it’s impossible to make stretching powers look good in love action’ then scrapped it. And I bet they were right. But scrapping the entire show would have been worse

    Is that a typo?

    I think there are ways to make stretching powers look good in love action.

    Gonna have to ask for an example because I can only think of bad ones.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    I guarantee that the storyboards started with stretchy powers then when they actually saw the effects said ‘no, it’s impossible to make stretching powers look good in love action’ then scrapped it. And I bet they were right. But scrapping the entire show would have been worse

    Is that a typo?

    I think there are ways to make stretching powers look good in love action.

    Gonna have to ask for an example because I can only think of bad ones.

    I don't think Official Disney properties are going to get into Love Action.

  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    I guarantee that the storyboards started with stretchy powers then when they actually saw the effects said ‘no, it’s impossible to make stretching powers look good in love action’ then scrapped it. And I bet they were right. But scrapping the entire show would have been worse

    Is that a typo?

    I think there are ways to make stretching powers look good in love action.

    Gonna have to ask for an example because I can only think of bad ones.

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  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    So Ms. Marvel isn't just Captain Marvel's name sans rank then.

  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    edited March 2022
    I was pretty stoked to see that No Way Home is available for home viewing since I never went to see it in theaters.

    But only to BUY instead of rent.

    Kind of feels like one last "fuck you".

    Is that standard practice? That a new home-release is only for purchase and not for rent?

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    So Ms. Marvel isn't just Captain Marvel's name sans rank then.

    It's a little messy.

    Simple version: in the comics, the character known as Captain Marvel was previously known as Ms Marvel. Later, a new Ms Marvel was introduced, which this show is about.

  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    I was pretty stoked to see that No Way Home is available for home viewing since I never went to see it in theaters.

    But only to BUY instead of rent.

    Kind of feels like one last "fuck you".

    Is that standard practice? That a new home-release is only for purchase and not for rent?

    Depends, but it's not uncommon.

    How fast it goes from purchase only to available for rent probably varies from region to region, but it might take close to a month. I know it's the 11th next month in some places.

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  • The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    It's hard to really tell from the half-second clip where she punches, but to me it looks like her arm/fist stretched out and retracted while also being sparkly. I certainly could be wrong, though.

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    It looked like she was a bit stretchy in a jump and a punch.

    I'm not a huge fan of the sparkles but live action stretchy people is probably nightmare fuel. So it is what it is.

  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    I guarantee that the storyboards started with stretchy powers then when they actually saw the effects said ‘no, it’s impossible to make stretching powers look good in love action’ then scrapped it. And I bet they were right. But scrapping the entire show would have been worse

    Is that a typo?

    I think there are ways to make stretching powers look good in love action.

    Gonna have to ask for an example because I can only think of bad ones.

    I thought Elongated Man on Flash was okay, by Arrowverse standards.

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