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14 reputable charities operating in Gaza : The list includes the likes of the Occupied Palestinian Territories Humanitarian Fund, the Red Cross & Crescent, UNICEF, and Médecins Sans Frontières, to name a few UNRWA : United Nations Relief and Work Agency for Palestine refugees in the near east
That phrase is in the founding charter of Hamas. It calls for the genocide against the Jewish people. No matter how you feel about the atrocities being carried out by Bibi Netanyahu's murderous regime you shouldn't support that phrase. Genocide should not be condoned just because it's directed against a superior force. But putting that up and center on the forums implies the mods and or Penny Arcade support harm against Jewish people.
I'd ask that for the sake of our Jewish friends on these forums that you change the title to something less inflammatory. (I propose "Ceasefire now!" or something similar.)
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
That phrase is in the founding charter of Hamas. It calls for the genocide against the Jewish people. No matter how you feel about the atrocities being carried out by Bibi Netanyahu's murderous regime you shouldn't support that phrase. Genocide should not be condoned just because it's directed against a superior force. But putting that up and center on the forums implies the mods and or Penny Arcade support harm against Jewish people.
I'd ask that for the sake of our Jewish friends on these forums that you change the title to something less inflammatory. (I propose "Ceasefire now!" or something similar.)
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
The phrase has origins beyond Hamas, and it in no way directly calls for any violence, much less genocide, in its phrasing or usage. That's some All Lives Matter logic.
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That phrase is in the founding charter of Hamas. It calls for the genocide against the Jewish people. No matter how you feel about the atrocities being carried out by Bibi Netanyahu's murderous regime you shouldn't support that phrase. Genocide should not be condoned just because it's directed against a superior force. But putting that up and center on the forums implies the mods and or Penny Arcade support harm against Jewish people.
I'd ask that for the sake of our Jewish friends on these forums that you change the title to something less inflammatory. (I propose "Ceasefire now!" or something similar.)
"Our Jewish Friends" are well aware that Israel is acting as genocidal colonizers, and that "from the river to the sea" is a rallying cry to decolonize Palestinian land. If you view the phrase as a threat, that speaks more to your mindset as a colonizer apologist than it does about the slogan itself. So, thank you, but no thank you to the attempted tone policing of an oppressed people.
Use a more milquetoast slogan if you like, but don't barge in and insist the that people adhere to passive anodyne terminology so as not to offend anyone during their fight for their existence.
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
As far as I can ever tell (and I've done a lot of digging here), the "call to genocide" line comes from Hasbarists on the Israeli propaganda beat, more than any single Palestinian or other Muslim/Arab boogeyman of choice
Having friends in RL who are Jewish and who are most definitely not Likud apologists, that phrase makes them profoundly uncomfortable. It has been used far too often to imply violence against Jewish people even if its literal meaning seems more benign. I don't know about Jewish people on these forums, but people whom I love and respect in real life think that phrase is far too upsetting just to ignore.
(You ever have that awkward moment when you agree with someone criticizing Israel for what's happening, and then after a few moments you realize they're a raging anti-semite? Please don't be that person @Garlic Bread . Change the thread title.)
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
I suspect garlic bread has put a great deal of thought into it already, but I'm sure your dipshit condescending genocide apologia is appreciated.
That phrase is in the founding charter of Hamas. It calls for the genocide against the Jewish people. No matter how you feel about the atrocities being carried out by Bibi Netanyahu's murderous regime you shouldn't support that phrase. Genocide should not be condoned just because it's directed against a superior force. But putting that up and center on the forums implies the mods and or Penny Arcade support harm against Jewish people.
I'd ask that for the sake of our Jewish friends on these forums that you change the title to something less inflammatory. (I propose "Ceasefire now!" or something similar.)
The phrase has been around since the 60s without genocidal context, seeking a secular democratic state. An equivalent and arguably more inflammatory version is in the Likud founding charter of 1977 “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.” Hamas was started in 1987. From what I’ve found in an admittedly short time searching people only reference the phrase as appearing in Hamas’s 2017 charter.
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Tynnanseldom correct, never unsureRegistered Userregular
Having friends in RL who are Jewish and who are most definitely not Likud apologists, that phrase makes them profoundly uncomfortable. It has been used far too often to imply violence against Jewish people even if its literal meaning seems more benign. I don't know about Jewish people on these forums, but people whom I love and respect in real life think that phrase is far too upsetting just to ignore.
(You ever have that awkward moment when you agree with someone criticizing Israel for what's happening, and then after a few moments you realize they're a raging anti-semite? Please don't be that person "Garlic Bread" . Change the thread title.)
Say what you will about the Washington Post, but if they could have pinned the phrase on Hamas more definitively than this I think they would have, don't you think?
Also, here's liberal* Jewish paper The Forward publishing an article on the matter
Dismissing or ignoring what this phrase means to the Palestinians is yet another means by which to silence Palestinian perspectives. Citing only Hamas leaders’ use of the phrase, while disregarding the liberationist context in which other Palestinians understand it, shows a disturbing level of ignorance about Palestinians’ views at best, and a deliberate attempt to smear their legitimate aspirations at worst.
Most troubling for me, the belief that a “free Palestine” would necessarily lead to the mass annihilation of Jewish Israelis is rooted in deeply racist and Islamophobic assumptions about who the Palestinians are and what they want.
Rather than just lecture Palestinians and their supporters about how certain phrases make them feel, supporters of Israel should get more curious about what Palestinians themselves want. There isn’t a single answer (there never is), but assuming you already know is no way to work towards a just and lasting peace
*(should note that The Forward trends lib-Zionist or non-Zionist rather than anti-Zionist, for firmly Left Jewish sources that go harder on the matter I recommend Jewish Currents for a Diasporic viewpoint, or +972 Magazine for an Israeli Leftist viewpoint)
That phrase is in the founding charter of Hamas. It calls for the genocide against the Jewish people. No matter how you feel about the atrocities being carried out by Bibi Netanyahu's murderous regime you shouldn't support that phrase. Genocide should not be condoned just because it's directed against a superior force. But putting that up and center on the forums implies the mods and or Penny Arcade support harm against Jewish people.
I'd ask that for the sake of our Jewish friends on these forums that you change the title to something less inflammatory. (I propose "Ceasefire now!" or something similar.)
The phrase has been around since the 60s without genocidal context, seeking a secular democratic state. An equivalent and arguably more inflammatory version is in the Likud founding charter of 1977 “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.” Hamas was started in 1987. From what I’ve found in an admittedly short time searching people only reference the phrase as appearing in Hamas’s 2017 charter.
It also includes expelling all the Jews who have immigrated there, and their descendants who have no where to go. It is a phrase with a lot of weight to people who post on this forum and else where. People can respect that or not. Up to you really. But the idea that it is some new objection, or the phrase has not been used in terrible ways is ahistoric.
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I want to hate this so much
edit: brb, gotta go mummify my dick
Although looking at the list, there are some possibilities
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I'm gonna need to see a mummy dick before I believe this highly reputable scientific video
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
14 reputable charities operating in Gaza : The list includes the likes of the Occupied Palestinian Territories Humanitarian Fund, the Red Cross & Crescent, UNICEF, and Médecins Sans Frontières, to name a few
UNRWA : United Nations Relief and Work Agency for Palestine refugees in the near east
Keep elongating its presence if you will
what the fuck
That phrase is in the founding charter of Hamas. It calls for the genocide against the Jewish people. No matter how you feel about the atrocities being carried out by Bibi Netanyahu's murderous regime you shouldn't support that phrase. Genocide should not be condoned just because it's directed against a superior force. But putting that up and center on the forums implies the mods and or Penny Arcade support harm against Jewish people.
I'd ask that for the sake of our Jewish friends on these forums that you change the title to something less inflammatory. (I propose "Ceasefire now!" or something similar.)
"Our Jewish Friends" are well aware that Israel is acting as genocidal colonizers, and that "from the river to the sea" is a rallying cry to decolonize Palestinian land. If you view the phrase as a threat, that speaks more to your mindset as a colonizer apologist than it does about the slogan itself. So, thank you, but no thank you to the attempted tone policing of an oppressed people.
Use a more milquetoast slogan if you like, but don't barge in and insist the that people adhere to passive anodyne terminology so as not to offend anyone during their fight for their existence.
Projection of the Kahanist ethos
(You ever have that awkward moment when you agree with someone criticizing Israel for what's happening, and then after a few moments you realize they're a raging anti-semite? Please don't be that person @Garlic Bread . Change the thread title.)
The phrase has been around since the 60s without genocidal context, seeking a secular democratic state. An equivalent and arguably more inflammatory version is in the Likud founding charter of 1977 “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.” Hamas was started in 1987. From what I’ve found in an admittedly short time searching people only reference the phrase as appearing in Hamas’s 2017 charter.
Say what you will about the Washington Post, but if they could have pinned the phrase on Hamas more definitively than this I think they would have, don't you think?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/14/river-sea-free-palestine-meaning/
Also what's that last part there say?
https://forward.com/opinion/415250/from-the-river-to-the-sea-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-it-means/
*(should note that The Forward trends lib-Zionist or non-Zionist rather than anti-Zionist, for firmly Left Jewish sources that go harder on the matter I recommend Jewish Currents for a Diasporic viewpoint, or +972 Magazine for an Israeli Leftist viewpoint)
It also includes expelling all the Jews who have immigrated there, and their descendants who have no where to go. It is a phrase with a lot of weight to people who post on this forum and else where. People can respect that or not. Up to you really. But the idea that it is some new objection, or the phrase has not been used in terrible ways is ahistoric.
a free palestine from the river to the sea is what any reasonable person should want to see
It makes people uncomfortable though
I don't. I also don't support making this place hostile to other forumers. It is an easy task.
Doing nothing often is