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Free Palestine From the River to the Sea

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    A good yardstick for weirdness is when three feet get involved

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    OptyOpty Registered User regular
    My jelqshake elongates all the boys to a yard

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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    A good yardstick for weirdness is when three feet get involved

    I want to hate this so much

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    I wank to hate that so much

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Cock like an Egyptian

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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited March 30
    Huh, apparently the pharaohs hung dong? Who knew? 🤔

    edit: brb, gotta go mummify my dick

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Instructions on hieroglyphs unclear, penis now looks like 𓆭

    Although looking at the list, there are some possibilities

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    Egyptians practiced hierarchical proportion in their art, meaning more important figures looked bigger

    I'm gonna need to see a mummy dick before I believe this highly reputable scientific video

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    haven't seen this much demand for mummy dick since The Scorpion King released

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited April 6
    Look, I ain’t huggin no damn mummy

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    No way Rashida Tlaib ever gets an apology from senior party figures or the censure revoked.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    This thread took a sudden change of direction

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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    ❤️ @Garlic Bread

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    Good shit.

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    ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    Here's a list of organizations we can donate to or volunteer for. Suggestions welcome, updated daily.

    14 reputable charities operating in Gaza : The list includes the likes of the Occupied Palestinian Territories Humanitarian Fund, the Red Cross & Crescent, UNICEF, and Médecins Sans Frontières, to name a few
    UNRWA : United Nations Relief and Work Agency for Palestine refugees in the near east

    Children's rights are human rights.
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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    whoever unstickied this is a coward

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Just gonna need to keep it bumped

    Keep elongating its presence if you will

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    GR_ZombieGR_Zombie Krillin It Registered User regular
    The trajectory of this forum is really depressing these days. Can’t even give the most cursory support to victims of a genocide.

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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    yeah uhhh

    what the fuck

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I can post enough to keep this at the top of the page. I’m a big fat loud mouth when I want to be

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    edited April 10
    Ok I'll bite.

    That phrase is in the founding charter of Hamas. It calls for the genocide against the Jewish people. No matter how you feel about the atrocities being carried out by Bibi Netanyahu's murderous regime you shouldn't support that phrase. Genocide should not be condoned just because it's directed against a superior force. But putting that up and center on the forums implies the mods and or Penny Arcade support harm against Jewish people.

    I'd ask that for the sake of our Jewish friends on these forums that you change the title to something less inflammatory. (I propose "Ceasefire now!" or something similar.)

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    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 11
    Maddoc was warned for this.
    Ok I'll bite.

    That phrase is in the founding charter of Hamas. It calls for the genocide against the Jewish people. No matter how you feel about the atrocities being carried out by Bibi Netanyahu's murderous regime you shouldn't support that phrase. Genocide should not be condoned just because it's directed against a superior force. But putting that up and center on the forums implies the mods and or Penny Arcade support harm against Jewish people.

    I'd ask that for the sake of our Jewish friends on these forums that you change the title to something less inflammatory. (I propose "Ceasefire now!" or something similar.)

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    The phrase has origins beyond Hamas, and it in no way directly calls for any violence, much less genocide, in its phrasing or usage. That's some All Lives Matter logic.

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    Ok I'll bite.

    That phrase is in the founding charter of Hamas. It calls for the genocide against the Jewish people. No matter how you feel about the atrocities being carried out by Bibi Netanyahu's murderous regime you shouldn't support that phrase. Genocide should not be condoned just because it's directed against a superior force. But putting that up and center on the forums implies the mods and or Penny Arcade support harm against Jewish people.

    I'd ask that for the sake of our Jewish friends on these forums that you change the title to something less inflammatory. (I propose "Ceasefire now!" or something similar.)

    "Our Jewish Friends" are well aware that Israel is acting as genocidal colonizers, and that "from the river to the sea" is a rallying cry to decolonize Palestinian land. If you view the phrase as a threat, that speaks more to your mindset as a colonizer apologist than it does about the slogan itself. So, thank you, but no thank you to the attempted tone policing of an oppressed people.

    Use a more milquetoast slogan if you like, but don't barge in and insist the that people adhere to passive anodyne terminology so as not to offend anyone during their fight for their existence.

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    As far as I can ever tell (and I've done a lot of digging here), the "call to genocide" line comes from Hasbarists on the Israeli propaganda beat, more than any single Palestinian or other Muslim/Arab boogeyman of choice

    Projection of the Kahanist ethos

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    edited April 10
    Having friends in RL who are Jewish and who are most definitely not Likud apologists, that phrase makes them profoundly uncomfortable. It has been used far too often to imply violence against Jewish people even if its literal meaning seems more benign. I don't know about Jewish people on these forums, but people whom I love and respect in real life think that phrase is far too upsetting just to ignore.

    (You ever have that awkward moment when you agree with someone criticizing Israel for what's happening, and then after a few moments you realize they're a raging anti-semite? Please don't be that person @Garlic Bread . Change the thread title.)

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    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I suspect garlic bread has put a great deal of thought into it already, but I'm sure your dipshit condescending genocide apologia is appreciated.

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    edited April 10
    Ok I'll bite.

    That phrase is in the founding charter of Hamas. It calls for the genocide against the Jewish people. No matter how you feel about the atrocities being carried out by Bibi Netanyahu's murderous regime you shouldn't support that phrase. Genocide should not be condoned just because it's directed against a superior force. But putting that up and center on the forums implies the mods and or Penny Arcade support harm against Jewish people.

    I'd ask that for the sake of our Jewish friends on these forums that you change the title to something less inflammatory. (I propose "Ceasefire now!" or something similar.)

    The phrase has been around since the 60s without genocidal context, seeking a secular democratic state. An equivalent and arguably more inflammatory version is in the Likud founding charter of 1977 “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.” Hamas was started in 1987. From what I’ve found in an admittedly short time searching people only reference the phrase as appearing in Hamas’s 2017 charter.

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    TynnanTynnan seldom correct, never unsure Registered User regular
    Having friends in RL who are Jewish and who are most definitely not Likud apologists, that phrase makes them profoundly uncomfortable. It has been used far too often to imply violence against Jewish people even if its literal meaning seems more benign. I don't know about Jewish people on these forums, but people whom I love and respect in real life think that phrase is far too upsetting just to ignore.

    (You ever have that awkward moment when you agree with someone criticizing Israel for what's happening, and then after a few moments you realize they're a raging anti-semite? Please don't be that person "Garlic Bread" . Change the thread title.)

    Say what you will about the Washington Post, but if they could have pinned the phrase on Hamas more definitively than this I think they would have, don't you think?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/14/river-sea-free-palestine-meaning/

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    Also what's that last part there say?

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited April 10
    Also, here's liberal* Jewish paper The Forward publishing an article on the matter

    Dismissing or ignoring what this phrase means to the Palestinians is yet another means by which to silence Palestinian perspectives. Citing only Hamas leaders’ use of the phrase, while disregarding the liberationist context in which other Palestinians understand it, shows a disturbing level of ignorance about Palestinians’ views at best, and a deliberate attempt to smear their legitimate aspirations at worst.

    Most troubling for me, the belief that a “free Palestine” would necessarily lead to the mass annihilation of Jewish Israelis is rooted in deeply racist and Islamophobic assumptions about who the Palestinians are and what they want.

    Rather than just lecture Palestinians and their supporters about how certain phrases make them feel, supporters of Israel should get more curious about what Palestinians themselves want. There isn’t a single answer (there never is), but assuming you already know is no way to work towards a just and lasting peace

    https://forward.com/opinion/415250/from-the-river-to-the-sea-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-it-means/

    *(should note that The Forward trends lib-Zionist or non-Zionist rather than anti-Zionist, for firmly Left Jewish sources that go harder on the matter I recommend Jewish Currents for a Diasporic viewpoint, or +972 Magazine for an Israeli Leftist viewpoint)

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    GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    Ok I'll bite.

    That phrase is in the founding charter of Hamas. It calls for the genocide against the Jewish people. No matter how you feel about the atrocities being carried out by Bibi Netanyahu's murderous regime you shouldn't support that phrase. Genocide should not be condoned just because it's directed against a superior force. But putting that up and center on the forums implies the mods and or Penny Arcade support harm against Jewish people.

    I'd ask that for the sake of our Jewish friends on these forums that you change the title to something less inflammatory. (I propose "Ceasefire now!" or something similar.)

    The phrase has been around since the 60s without genocidal context, seeking a secular democratic state. An equivalent and arguably more inflammatory version is in the Likud founding charter of 1977 “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.” Hamas was started in 1987. From what I’ve found in an admittedly short time searching people only reference the phrase as appearing in Hamas’s 2017 charter.

    It also includes expelling all the Jews who have immigrated there, and their descendants who have no where to go. It is a phrase with a lot of weight to people who post on this forum and else where. People can respect that or not. Up to you really. But the idea that it is some new objection, or the phrase has not been used in terrible ways is ahistoric.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Why do you support genocide?

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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    ceasefire now is a policy position (that has been successfully watered down to aid now)

    a free palestine from the river to the sea is what any reasonable person should want to see

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Every call for freedom is problematic when the people being oppressed are the lowest point of concern.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Every call for freedom is problematic when the people being oppressed are the lowest point of concern.

    It makes people uncomfortable though

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    GR_ZombieGR_Zombie Krillin It Registered User regular
    edited April 10
    Looking at all the murdered Palestinians, wistfully lamenting that they weren’t saying the right words to be worthy of living

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    GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Why do you support genocide?

    I don't. I also don't support making this place hostile to other forumers. It is an easy task.

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    GR_ZombieGR_Zombie Krillin It Registered User regular
    Gnizmo wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Why do you support genocide?

    I don't. I also don't support making this place hostile to other forumers. It is an easy task.

    Doing nothing often is

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